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imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ
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Wanted: Coming-of-Age. Characters under 16 when romance begins. Male/Female main couple. Main couple are friends first, then romance develops.

Acceptable but not mandatory: Other partners BEFORE main couple realize they are more then friends.

NOT ALLOWED: What is sometimes referred to as the "Tami Trope", i.e. girl tells her boy best friend that she is deeply in love with him, but he isn't mature enough yet, so he needs to go fuck every girl he can, while she waits for him.

While I would also be annoyed if it happened in reverse, I haven't seen that version yet.

NOT ALLOWED: Cheating (sex with others WITHOUT main partners consent)

Acceptable but not mandatory: Swinging/Swapping/Sharing with FULL consent and acceptance of all concerned.

And I've seen enough well-intended recommendations declined because it included a code the requester didn't like, so I'll list all of my excluded codes here, listed in the order they are displayed on the exclusion list: Ma/Ma, Ma/mt, mt/mt, Blackmail, Rape, Slavery, Gay, CrossDressing, Hermaphrodite, Shemale, TransGender, Horror, Tear Jerker, Zoophilia, Furry, non-anthro, Vampires, Were animal, Zombies, Cuckold, Wimp Husband, The entire BDSM elements section, Bestiality, Enema, Fisting, Flatulence, Necrophilia, Pegging, Scatology, Spitting, Water Sports, Amputee, Body Modification, Hairy, Menstrual Play, Needles, Cannibalism, Revenge, Transformation

Recommendations for stories and writers will be appreciated.

People telling me why they think I am wrong will be ignored.

Replies:   Eldof  darrok  PotomacBob
Eldof ๐Ÿšซ
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@imnotwrong

The only story that comes to mind that I think (was a while ago since I read it) ticks all the boxes is The Grim Reaper by rlfj. All others I can think of has cheating, tami trope, break ups and other partners after they realize they like each other, or bdsm. Or they go straight into a romantic relationship without being friends first.

Have you read something here that ticks all the boxes? I'd like to read some stories like that myself!

edit - Maybe Lady in Red aswell. Though I don't think they're under 16 when the story starts, they're still in highschool.

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ
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@Eldof

"The Grim Reaper" has been one of those 'maybe, but . . .' stories for me. It keeps coming up on searches, but after his epic "A Fresh Start" expressed views I found troubling, I've been hesitant to try another one of his. Still, I will think about it again.

darrok ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

While the "friends" part is rather short, Dance of a Lifetime ticks most of your boxes.
Rape and sexual abuse are mentioned but not explicitly described, so I don't know if that is enough to make you stay away. In addition, there is a time where the main-couple breaks up (so both have sex with other people)
It is an awesome read overall.
Maybe even better, the Chaos-series by Ozzie or EzzyB or something like that, again they quickly become a couple but otherwise it's a cute romance. Oh, and the male half of the main couple is seventeen at the start, you wanted sixteen so that might be a non-starter, lol

And if you read this far, I'll tell you that you are wrong, just because you can't ignore the post anylonger, you already read it, tremble at my power *cue-insane-laugther*

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ
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@darrok

As for "Dance of a Lifetime", as long as that stuff stays 'off-screen', I can deal with it. One of my favorites, "Making the Most of Our Second Chances", has a female led who was impregnated by rape about 2 months before the story begins. Off screen, no issue with me. So I'll give "Dance" a try.

Edit: I just looked, and "Dance" includes an Ma/Ma code. Sorry, but no.

However, all three of EzzyB's Chaos series are coded as tear-jerker. Sorry, but if I wanted that, I'd grab something from my NON-fiction shelves. "Origins of the Inquisition" comes to mind.

Replies:   darrok  Nulaak83  BlacKnight
darrok ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

About @Chaos:
Really? I honestly didn't know that, there are one or two scenes that were sad but overall it's just a pleasant story. I'd recommend trying it out and ignore the code in that case.
Also, you might enjoy A friend in need

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ

@darrok

Okay, now there's one that looks like I should try it out. Thanks.

Replies:   Eldof
Eldof ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

A Friend in Need is great, one of my favourites. I've got to warn you however, it's got a really sad part, which legit had me shed some tears. It's a very good story anyway but if you absolutely don't want any sad parts, be warned!

Nulaak83 ๐Ÿšซ
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@imnotwrong

The Ma/Ma is the same as the rape scene, not off screen but also not detailed and isn't really graphic. I avoid Ma/Ma like the plague and it's not a story that you would even think of as having a Ma/Ma tag if the author hadn't thrown it on there. There's another pseudo rape scene that's Ma/F as well, but overall the story is one of the very few I can think of that doesn't have a Tami Trope.

BlacKnight ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

Edit: I just looked, and "Dance" includes an Ma/Ma code. Sorry, but no.

I wouldn't let the MM code scare you off. It has the code because of a single scene. It happens entirely offscreen, and it's not played for eroticism. The aftermath makes clear what happened, but it's never actually described.

The more problematic part is that the same scene is why it has the Rape code, too. It's an attack with a sharp fade to black, not a sex scene. But while the act itself is not described, the aftermath and its effects on the characters are. That part of the story is a rough read, but it's a relatively small part of a very long story, and it's Don Lockwood, so you can trust that everything works out in the end.

There's also an MF scene that starts out consensual, but the woman changes her mind as the situation evolves. That one's more detailed, but still clearly not intended to be sexy.

Other than that, all the sex in DoaL is MF or FF, loving and fully consensual.

MM and Rape are codes that generally send stuff straight into my "Nope" bin, too, but I'd read and enjoyed enough of Don Lockwood's other stories that I was willing to give DoaL a try, trusting that he'd handle it well, and I wasn't disappointed. I'm actually in the middle of re-reading it.

anim8ed ๐Ÿšซ
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Australian Story by Oz Ozzie

ETA: Not sure their ages at the beginning.

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ

@anim8ed

I don't think I've seen that one before. I'll give it a look. Thanks.

jimh67 ๐Ÿšซ

Dance of a Lifetime. Just be aware that the girl is batshit crazy and does some really annoying stuff. I'm not being snarky, the author wrote her that way on purpose.

Banadin ๐Ÿšซ

Maybe I should write the story of my life. Dating at 15, married at 18, parents at 19, still together 56 years later.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Banadin

Maybe I should write the story of my life. Dating at 15, married at 18, parents at 19, still together 56 years later.

Sounds like a possible epic story. But of course only you know if there are enough situations to make an interesting story for 'outsiders', i.e. readers.

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ
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@Keet

And if not, Banadin could modify it from a true auto-biography into a 'based on real life' story.

Edit: clarification.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater  joyR
Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

And if not, Banadin could modify it from a true auto-biography into a 'based on real life' story.

Give or take a little lie or two.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

And if not, Banadin could modify it from a true auto-biography into a 'based on real life' story.

Of course you wouldn't be able to read it, given your previously stated 'abhorrence' for so many things that occur in 'real life'. Oh the irony...

Replies:   Eldof
Eldof ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Not really.. what he said he didn't like where two things the "Tami trope" and cheating. While yes, those are things that do happen in real life, PLENTY of people get through their lives without experiencing either. I've got a fairly big family (lots of cousins, 3 siblings) and a fair amount of good friends. ONE of them was cheated on (if anyone else I know was, they hid it from their friends). And I've never met anyone that's experienced the "Tami Trope" in real life. Again let me make clear that I know that it's things that do occur, but there's alot of people that never encounter either of the two things he said he didnt like. Not liking cheating or the tami trope shouldn't stop anyone from reading an auto-biography, as there's a good chance neither will be a theme in it. Same goes with the tags OP excluded. They are normal stuff that most people never encounter in their lives, except Tear Jerker of course!

Replies:   darrok
darrok ๐Ÿšซ

@Eldof

What, you have never met a Vampire that was ot into menstrual play or a non-necrophilic Zombie? I don't believe you!

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

What is sometimes referred to as the "Tami Trope", i.e. girl tells her boy best friend that she is deeply in love with him, but he isn't mature enough yet, so he needs to go fuck every girl he can, while she waits for him.

Is the "Tami Trope" from a story on SOL? If so, what story?

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Is the "Tami Trope" from a story on SOL? If so, what story?

The Stupid Boy series by G Younger, I believe.

AJ

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

As I understand it, that is were the name comes from. However, there are several stories here that use it. Some were written before, but most I've seen (and left) came after "Stupid Boy" became popular.

I would prefer not to advertise their lot, but really, it is shouldn't be difficult to find some. That's why I wrote my request as I did. Because stories with it are much easier to find than stories without it.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

Indeed. The ongoing series by Michael Loucks - Good Medicine - contains the Tami Trope :(

AJ

BlacKnight ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Indeed. The ongoing series by Michael Loucks - Good Medicine - contains the Tami Trope :(

So did his previous one, until Tami died.

Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

Indeed. The ongoing series by Michael Loucks - Good Medicine - contains the Tami Trope :(

While it's true that AWLL had this trope, to say that Jocelyn told Mike in Good Medicine to 'sow his wild oats' is a serious stretch. She told him he needed to 'grow up', which is a very different thing. And think about what she knew about him and his attitude toward sex. Yes, she admitted it MIGHT happen, but she didn't tell him to do it (and honestly hoped he wouldn't). To suggest she told him to 'get laid' seems a severe misreading of the story, especially given the exchange between Mike and Jocelyn:

"Back to our other conversation. All I want you to do is work on loosening up a bit, and getting to know people who don't fit your worldview."

"I'll try."

"Good. And remember, you're SUPPOSED to date this year. Don't go falling in love with someone, but date."

"Yes, Dear," I grinned.

Jocelyn laughed, "Hold that thought!"

"I will."

"And Mike, I know you well enough that I don't think it's a risk, but I want to be clear I'm not giving you license to screw half the student body."


So, she's not Tami. And if you think it's Tasha, she would absolutely NOT approve of Mike's behavior. Period.

So, no, Good Medicine does NOT have this trope.

Reluctant_Sir ๐Ÿšซ

@Michael Loucks

Meh.

I'd have to say "close enough". No woman I have ever met would even go that far, whether she wanted the man in the end or not.

Maybe I am just meeting the wrong women.

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Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ
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@Reluctant_Sir

I'd have to say "close enough". No woman I have ever met would even go that far, whether she wanted the man in the end or not.

And I've have to say not even close. Look at their backstory. Look at how totally insular Mike is. And most importantly, Jocelyn specifically tells him not to do what you claim she told him to do!

In other words, it's not even the same ballpark (to quote Jules from Pulp Fiction).

Your version is a complete misreading of the story, and is refuted by Jocelyn herself.

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ

@Michael Loucks

Would you guys mind taking this argument to a different thread?

This might seem crazy around here, but can we get back to the original request?

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Michael Loucks

My concept of the 'Tami Trope' is that the female doesn't want to go steady with the male until he has grown up, and that includes permission to date other females and possibly have sex with them (which I think we probably agree on). However, IMO, permission to screw everything in a skirt and breathing is optional - that's where I differ from @iamnotwrong.

I've been trying to think of a male equivalent - where the male sees a female as his life partner but refuses to go steady with her until she's grown up (and I don't mean physically - there are many of those). So far I've drawn a blank.

AJ

Replies:   anim8ed
anim8ed ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I've been trying to think of a male equivalent - where the male sees a female as his life partner but refuses to go steady with her until she's grown up (and I don't mean physically - there are many of those). So far I've drawn a blank.

One of Ka Hmnd's fantasy stories has a possible example. As I recall it is the only story of his with a female protagonist... I will have to look for the particular story and see if I can find it. Basically he is her mentor and she offers him her cherry which he accepts. He then tells her she cannot return to his bed till she has slept with someone else.

Replies:   anim8ed
anim8ed ๐Ÿšซ

@anim8ed

Archer by Ka Hmnd is the story. You be the judge.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@anim8ed

Thank you. I've added it to my 'to read' list.

AJ

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@imnotwrong

I would prefer not to advertise their lot, but really, it is shouldn't be difficult to find some.

I was intrigued by the description of a "Tami Trope." Do all the stories that contain the Tami Trope have those precise words in the story so I can search for them? The reason I asked on the forum was that I was hoping not to have to read all the stories just in case one or more of them might possibly contain examples. I had guessed (perhaps wrongly) that a search for neither "tami" nor "trope" nor the two together would provide examples.

Replies:   imnotwrong
imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ
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@PotomacBob

No, such a word search would not yield results.

What I meant was that it seems that the 'coming-of-age' type of stories on this site have been overrun with Tami Trope type stories. Thus you are much more likely to randomly hit a story with the Tami Trope than you are one without it.

Unless you do as I did and start your own thread asking for help in finding Tami-free stories.

imnotwrong ๐Ÿšซ

Thank you. Both for the recommendation and for trying to help us get back on point. I'll give that series a look.

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