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High school stories without harems?

jimh67

Sometimes I'm in the mood for an over-the-top high school wish-fulfillment story, but even then hot teen girl harems are a bridge too far. Anyone who thinks that is remotely possible has never had an attractive sister or daughter. For several years I chauffeured my daughter and some of her friends on trips to distant soccer games and they talked as if I wasn't there.

The possessiveness, jealousy and venom surrounding boyfriends and other girls even coming close to them was scary, even with girls who were otherwise total sweethearts. The idea that hot high school girls would share a boy is beyond ludicrous.

So, are there any decent high school stories without this component?

Replies:   uberloots  samis
Banadin

Have you looked at my Richard Jackson series?

LonelyDad

While it sometimes seems like comes close, the G. Younger 'Stupid Boy' series is somewhat closer to reality than some of the stories you refer to.

https://storiesonline.net/series/1080/stupid-boy

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rodsyy

How about rlfj "The Grim Reaper" most excellent story. Rod

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jimh67

Banadin - I LOVE your Richard Jackson stories.

Replies:   theod.kap98
jimh67

@rodsyy

I've been looking at The Grim Reaper since it was being posted. I don't read stories until they're completed and by the time it was finished I was intimidated by the length. I should probably take another look.

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jimh67

@LonelyDad

Thank you for the recommendation. I burned out on Stupid Boy. It was no one gripe; I just wasn't interested anymore. I know I'm in the minority, so it's just me.

karactr

@jimh67

I know I'm in the minority, so it's just me.


Than we are a minority of two. I also got burnt out on it.

helmut_meukel
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@jimh67


I burned out on Stupid Boy. It was no one gripe; I just wasn't interested anymore.


Me too.

HM.

ETA: three!

Wheezer

@jimh67

I burned out on Stupid Boy. It was no one gripe; I just wasn't interested anymore.

I'm not burned out, but am bored with the over-emphasis on sports in the last two books. I started with the stories because of the modeling & acting plotlines. The author has told me that the next book goes back in that direction. If not, I'll be done with the series too. I might add that the same holds true for Banadin's Rick Jackson stories. I like the acting & inventor plot lines, and I will be sadly disappointed if those fade into the background.

sunkuwan

@jimh67

*cough* me too

but a part of the reason is the unfinished status.

seanski1969

I personally think Greg Younger is burned out on his "stupid Boy" series. The writing and story telling in his Senior Year Part I is noticeably poorer than any of the preceding books. I think he is just continuing because of demand. His latest work is what I think happens to most authors when they are tired of a storyline and actually ought to step away from some character for awhile. I hope he does. And continues it when he is once again inspired. :) Just my $.02.

uberloots

@jimh67

Lady in Red by Harddaysknight is very over the top and doesn't involve a harem scenario.

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jimh67

@uberloots

Thank you. That's been in my library for a long time. I'll pull it out.

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Shofan

@jimh67

I think that only the first book takes place when they're in highschool though and even then it was more about their lives outside highschool if I recall, not much about highschool life. Still a fun read though cringy at times when they go way over the top.

theod.kap98

@jimh67

Cant wait for More...

Rawwbot

Try "Jack and Jill" by Oldfart.

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Remus2

@jimh67

I know I'm in the minority, so it's just me.


Have to agree with you, seems like it was either author burnout, or too much pandering to an audience subset.

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awnlee jawking

Diversion alert: I did a SOL search for the top stories with the 'school' tag and most were about college rather than high school. Is there a need for the school tag to be subdivided?

AJ

darrok

@Remus2

I think it's also a bit of a "been there, done that" effect, it's hard to make similar events exciting again and again, so you need to top them, and an easy way to do so, is making them more impressive, basically increasing the stage they are set on. But at some point, that sort of story-telling can bite you in the butt, as there are limited ways to increase things without going full retard.

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PeckingChicken
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@jimh67

I've been looking at The Grim Reaper since it was being posted...


...by the time it was finished I was intimidated by the length.


It's really three books in one. It's pretty easy to take a break after each section of the story is finished as they are clearly defined.

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madnige

@PeckingChicken

It's really three books in one. It's pretty easy to take a break after each section of the story is finished as they are clearly defined.


Seconded.

jimh67

@Rawwbot

Thank you Rowwbot. It's been years so I'll go back and read it again. At least until reading a chapter dealing with how to do plumbing gets to me

jimh67

Thank you PeckingChicken and madnige

brenner

@darrok

Oh but what a group of characters and interactions he has written. Nothing I have read on SOL is better. I admit it helps if you love to read about sports. I'll forgive the repetition in the story lines as it's kept more plausible then some and the characters are so rich. Dozens are memorable and interesting. I'd read stories written about most of them if the author decided to leave the main character.

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sunkuwan

@brenner

The sports is just overkill, modeling and acting were unique enough.

PotomacBob

@awnlee jawking

Is there a need for the school tag to be subdivided?


Yes

Ernest Bywater

@awnlee jawking

Is there a need for the school tag to be subdivided?


No! If you sub-group it you then have to have too many codes for school because of the many types of schools -grade, middle, high, junior high, senior high, college, boarding school, etc. There is a limit on the number of codes you can use, and if the story follows from one group to the next that's less you can use if needed for other aspects, and it also makes the number of codes to be displayed larger.

Max Geyser

https://storiesonline.net/s/17507:207301

All high school, no harems. Book 1 is complete.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ernest Bywater

No!


Then how would you resolve my problem, filtering for only stories about high school and eliminating the college stories? Or do you think the OP made an unreasonable request?

AJ

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awnlee jawking

@Max Geyser

All high school, no harems.


I believe the OP was looking for stories in which the protagonist didn't have multiple concurrent partners.

AJ

Ernest Bywater

@awnlee jawking

Then how would you resolve my problem, filtering for only stories about high school and eliminating the college stories?


use the school categories then scan the descriptions on the hits, or run a search on the description - but the search may be a premium option only.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ernest Bywater

use the school categories


That's the problem - there is only one school tag.

AJ

Replies:   joyR  Ernest Bywater
joyR

@awnlee jawking

That's the problem - there is only one school tag.


So search the story descriptions for those that contain "high school".

You'll get 618 results.

(Number may vary depending on which filters if any you have set)

Ernest Bywater

@awnlee jawking


That's the problem - there is only one school tag.


I don't see that as a problem. Most of the stories I've seen with the school code have the character start in one school and move onto another. Typically they start in the local school prior to high school, then move on to high school before going to college. At present the school code covers that, but if you break it up you then have a serious issue on how many codes and how they apply.

Note I'm ignoring everything prior to K1.

Let's take the school system as being K 1 to K 12 then College. In the K series you get some schools that do K 1 to K 6 while others do K 1 to K 4, and others will do K 1 to K 5 - varies between states, systems, and countries. The names will vary as Grade School, Middle School, Primary School etc. Then you can have K 5 to K 8 or K 7 to K 9 or K 7 to K 12 or K10 to K12 or K 11 to K 12 with names like Middle School, High School, Senior High School High School, College, Finishing School. Next is College and University which can be from 3 years to 5 years for the under grad degree and then tack on more for Honors or Masters then Doctor School and other specialist school. Next you can add in vocational school and other technical school.

In the state where I live we have schools that do K 1 to K 6, others do K 7 to K 12, while some do K 1 to K 12, and some do K 7 to K10, other do K 11 to K 12, we have technical colleges, universities, military colleges and some that do K 11 to the 2nd year of a university degree.

The typical US based school story starts with a kid in grade school or middle school and follows them through to high school then college. If you split it as being three codes as K 1 to K 6, K 7 to K 12, College / University, then everything else such as story as above would need all three code, and maybe 4 if they also do a tech course.

It all sounds like too much hair splitting to me.

We already have issues with the hair splitting on the incest codes where some think you should only tag incest while others say you should tag incest and the relationships to get a family fun night having the4 codes of Incest, mother, son, daughter, father, brother, sister instead of just incest. The same issue occurs with the BDSM and Interracial codes. Authors differ in the opinions too. Where there are multiple codes that can be used for the same aspect of a story you'll have some authors use one, others use another, and some use both. If there are 10,000 stories with the school code you might have grounds to split them up, but there's only 1,880 of them and when you include other categories or exclude other categories, you get a lower number. Codes +school, -harem, -polygamy/polyamory returns 1,754 stories; +school, +teenagers gets only 335 results; exclude the codes with adults and it's down to 103 stories. Vary the sex content and other tags to refine it further if you want.

Dominions Son

@Ernest Bywater

If you sub-group it you then have to have too many codes for school because of the many types of schools -grade, middle, high, junior high, senior high, college, boarding school, etc. There is a limit on the number of codes you can use, and if the story follows from one group to the next that's less you can use if needed for other aspects, and it also makes the number of codes to be displayed larger.


With the no sex under 14 rule, SOL would only need high school and college, I would leave out boarding school because it doesn't really imply a grade / age level.

middle school is typically grades 7 and 8, and sometimes includes grade 6.

Junior High is grades 7-9

There are VERY few 14 year olds below grade 9, none below grade 8. So the number of Jr High stories that could qualify on SOL for be very small.

awnlee jawking

@Dominions Son

With the no sex under 14 rule, SOL would only need high school and college, I would leave out boarding school because it doesn't really imply a grade / age level.


That's in line with my thinking, although I think the term 'high school' should take an international meaning and cover ages 11-18 (plus or minus, depending on the school system of the story setting).

As I said, there were more college-level stories returned by my search than high-school stories.

I don't see a new tag actually being implemented anytime soon. There are far too many stories that would need to be recoded, and the record of uptake of new tags for completed stories is poor. However if the story-coding system is ever up for review, I think splitting the school tag deserves consideration.

Off-the-wall suggestion - let reviewers have the ability to change story tags.

AJ

karactr
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Alternatively, do a search for school tag with teen (lower case m or f) tags instead of adult (upper case M or F). Or do school and pedo since people seem to lump ebophilia, hebophilia, and pedophilia all-together for some reason. What is so wrong with a 50+ yo lusting after a precocious, post pubescent, sexually curious 15 yo?

Ernest Bywater

@Dominions Son


With the no sex under 14 rule,


That rule only applies to the graphical descriptions of sexual activity for those under 14 years, also there are many stories in the no sex category as well. Category search of +school and +no sex has 121 stories and some of those have characters in the K1 to K 6 age range.

PotomacBob

@Dominions Son

middle school is typically grades 7 and 8, and sometimes includes grade 6.


and sometimes 5

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Dominions Son

@PotomacBob

and sometimes 5


Where? I've not heard of that in the US.

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darrok

@Dominions Son

Good point.
Why should the School-tag be only featuring the US-system? Add one for each of the various European systems and a few for Asian systems, I think those have their own ideas.
Or, simply keep it as it is, if education plays a big enough role, use the tag.

LonelyDad

'Heros' by Don Lockwood.
https://storiesonline.net/s/46119/heroes

'A Stitch In Time' by Marsh Alien.
https://storiesonline.net/s/50906/a-stitch-in-time

RedCzar

pretty much all of my stories are High School. and not a harem in any of them.

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jimh67

@RedCzar

The Zane's World Series looks right up my alley. Thank you.

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RedCzar

@jimh67

you're welcome. Hope you enjoy!

samis

@jimh67

Friday Night Lights by the Senator?
https://storiesonline.net/a/The_Senator

imsly1

Not a fan of harem stories...they rank right up there with 19 inch cock stories..

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Dominions Son

@imsly1

they rank right up there with 19 inch cock stories


1. You could have a reasonably realistic 19 inch cock in a bestiality story (horses could get quite a bit bigger than that).

2. Harems or polygamous marriages (one male with multiple women) were the norm for the majority of human history. Monogamous marriage has only dominated for at most the last 2000 years.

lanti.duke
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Have you tried the series Life in Paradise by Douglas Fox?

If not you should give It a try.

I particularly loved the story of Kyle Martin that start with Finding Balance

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Shofan

@lanti.duke

I particularly loved the story of Kyle Martin that start with Finding Balance


How angsty and dramatic is that series? I like high school, college and sport stories, but I hate relationship drama. I prefer romance that makes you feel happy while reading, rather than the anxiety you get with relationship angst with cheating, break ups, triangles etc. I prefer the childhood friends get together and stick together through thick and thin kind of stories. I can overlook some drama, but I can't handle A Well-Lived Life or Playing the Game levels of drama for example. The stories about Kyle Martin have a good score and a decent length, but I'd like to know what I'm getting into if I give it a shot!

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LonelyDad

@Shofan

How angsty and dramatic is that series?

All teenagers lives have some angst. The important part of the story is how they deal with it.

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Shofan
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@LonelyDad

Sure they do, but it's also important to remember that this is fiction. There's not always a need to be as realistic as possible, or portray the relationships in a realistic rather than idyllic frame, even if the genre isn't fantasy, sci fi or some such. Some times it can be nice to just read to find some happiness escaping from the drama and angst of real life!

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tendertouch

@Shofan

I agree. I know that some people see art as a mirror of the world around us but I mostly view these stories (and much else that I read) as a portal to a different world. Maybe in that world it's reasonable to have a gaggle of teen brides who are all geniuses married to electrical engineers in Alabama, or maybe in that world there's an feline alien species that can interbreed with humans, or an entire island can be transported 3000 years into the past, along with its inhabitants.

None of those situations are reasonable in the world in which I live so why would I expect the people there to react/think the same way that I would people in this world? I'm happy to give authors the leeway to reimagine the world and the characters that it shapes, up to and including having none angst ridden teenage relationships.

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Keet

@tendertouch

I'm happy to give authors the leeway to reimagine the world and the characters that it shapes

What's the use of books without that creative imagination? If I want to read about the real world I can go to one of those so called 'news' sites ;)

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darrok

@Keet

You mean those that misunderstood that "making the news" does not mean to "make up new stories"? Some things I hear on the news, it makes me think of the old adage that sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction needs to stick to the things we can imagine, truth does not.

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Keet

@darrok

True, that's why I wrote 'news'. And although some of it required great creativity to assemble, it's hardly entertaining ;)

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darrok

@Keet

Dunno, if you take it with a good deal of gallows humour, it can be entertaining. For example, consider that there are two men known to have taught their dog to make the Hitler-Salute. One in Finland, 1941, the other in Scotland, 2016.
One of them got convicted for it. Want to guess which one?
You can't make insanity like that up...

Dominions Son

@darrok

Some things I hear on the news, it makes me think of the old adage that sometimes truth is stranger than fiction


The vast majority of I what I see in the news where I have direct knowledge is not just wrong, but drastically wrong. So why the fuck should I trust anything they have to say in areas I know nothing about?

awnlee jawking

Perhaps Michael Loucks could write a prequel about Michael Peter Loucks's years in High School. As a prospective doctor, his first rule would surely be "First do no harem."

AJ

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Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

Perhaps Michael Loucks could write a prequel about Michael Peter Loucks's years in High School. As a prospective doctor, his first rule would surely be "First do no harem."


Given Mike was celibate in HS, that would be a 'no sex' story...and based on things he's said, a fairly boring one, too.

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joyR

@Michael Loucks

Given Mike was celibate in HS, that would be a 'no sex' story...and based on things he's said, a fairly boring one, too.


Off topic, but a question please.

Is 'celibate' the best word in that context? Would not 'still a virgin' be more accurate?

Yes, I'm aware of the dictionary definition, the point is that 'celibate' infers a conscious decision, a vow, etc. Whilst 'virgin' indicates lack of opportunity or circumstances.

In the HS context it seems doubtful that boys enthusiastically embrace celibacy...

My 3.14c

helmut_meukel
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@joyR


Is 'celibate' the best word in that context? Would not 'still a virgin' be more accurate?


Depends.

If he lost his virginity in his last year of Junior High, say to a young woman in the neighborhood and she moved to another state, then he might have no girlfriend during HS, because he compares all available and willing girls with his lost first love.

This would be celibacy, 'cause he is no virgin.

HM.

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joyR

@helmut_meukel

This would be celibacy, 'cause he is no virgin.


Which is why I stated "in that context"

Michael Loucks

@joyR

Off topic, but a question please.

Is 'celibate' the best word in that context? Would not 'still a virgin' be more accurate?

Yes, I'm aware of the dictionary definition, the point is that 'celibate' infers a conscious decision, a vow, etc. Whilst 'virgin' indicates lack of opportunity or circumstances.

In the HS context it seems doubtful that boys enthusiastically embrace celibacy...

My 3.14c


Actually, I'd say yes, because the one REAL chance he had he turned down, and it was because of his faith.

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joyR

@Michael Loucks

Actually, I'd say yes, because the one REAL chance he had he turned down, and it was because of his faith.


Ok, then I suggest what you posted earlier...

Given Mike was celibate in HS, that would be a 'no sex' story...and based on things he's said, a fairly boring one, too.


...isn't as boring as stated. It would make a refreshing change for a story to contain a HS boy who wasn't banging every girl he could.

Not to mention a girl who encounters a HS boy with actual convictions, then lets him go.

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

Given Mike was celibate in HS, that would be a 'no sex' story...and based on things he's said, a fairly boring one, too.


There was plenty of drama at the start of Good Medicine before the protagonist lost his V-Plates so I think a prequel is feasible from that point of view. However you couldn't really create big waves and expect them not to be important enough to create ripples in 'Good Medicine' - unless you do an 'Enterprise' to Good Medicine's Star Trek and don't worry about inconsistencies.

But my suggestion was facetious, a shagrinism ;)

AJ

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Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

However you couldn't really create big waves and expect them not to be important enough to create ripples in 'Good Medicine' - unless you do an 'Enterprise' to Good Medicine's Star Trek and don't worry about inconsistencies.


Violating canon is just as taboo for me as it ought to have been for Star Trek.

I take great pains to keep A Well-Lived Life, Good Medicine, Climbing the Ladder, A Sailor's Diary, and From the Files of Fran Mercer true to canon.

Dominions Son

@joyR

Whilst 'virgin' indicates lack of opportunity or circumstances.


No, virgin does not necessarily indicate a lack of opportunity. One could have had opportunities and declined them because they didn't think they were ready yet.

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joyR

@Dominions Son

No, virgin does not necessarily indicate a lack of opportunity. One could have had opportunities and declined them because they didn't think they were ready yet.


Indeed, though that seems like an adult viewpoint, not that of a HS student aged boy...

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tendertouch

@joyR

though that seems like an adult viewpoint, not that of a HS student aged boy


I did exactly that in high school. Doubt I was the only one. Not for reasons of faith, just not thinking I was ready yet.

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joyR

@tendertouch

I did exactly that in high school. Doubt I was the only one. Not for reasons of faith, just not thinking I was ready yet.


I don't doubt you were not the only one.

My comment was referencing the typical HS boy as found in stories here. It would as I said be a refreshing change to have a story that contains a HS boy who wasn't banging every girl he could.

Thought I'd stay relevant to the topic.

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Shofan
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@joyR


My comment was referencing the typical HS boy as found in stories here. It would as I said be a refreshing change to have a story that contains a HS boy who wasn't banging every girl he could.


My biggest issue with the typical HS boy in stories here is the absolute lack of commitment. Either the boy himself or his parents make sure he knows that there's no way that he can be in a commited relationship while at highschool age.

That's a pretty stark contrast from when/where I grew up. Sure, there were some that got into casual relationships to just have some fun, but that was the exceptions, the normal attitude was - If you're not serious, what's the point? I'm not starving so much for attention that I'll stay with someone I'm not into enough to see the relationship going anywhere in the future. In stories here, hormones seem to have an almost mind-controlling influence.

For me and my friends, if you got into a relationship and didn't feel like it was going to last, you moved on. There was very little of this casual dating with no longterm goals that's in abundance in the stories here. Or maybe not longterm goals, but definitely very little dating that you went into intending it the be short term from the start. I guess there was a fair amount of people who just dated not thinking too much about the future, but it was very rare to see someone thinking that they'll just date someone for only a short time from the outset.

Though it's probably because of different cultures. I lived in the capital of a small country, so there was no issues of moving 2000 miles away for college etc, so I can kind of understand "short-term" dating, but I have a hard time relating to it. That parents would tell their 15-18 year old children to not get too attached to someone they like is super foreign to me.

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tendertouch

@Shofan

My biggest issue with the typical HS boy in stories here is the absolute lack of commitment.


That's not how I remember it either, but I was a bit of an outsider so I may have missed the finer points of high school social interaction in the 70's. Still, I remember a fair number of couples that dated all of the way through school and I know of at least one of them that was still together 20 years later (I didn't stay in touch with anyone - the one that I know of was someone I ran into by chance.)

jimh67
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@Shofan

Only a tiny percentage of high school boys of any generation are confident/arrogant enough to think they can have a handful of dates with a girl and move on to the next. As if the popular girls would cooperate even If you manage to catch one between boyfriends. The biggest source of high school promiscuity generally seems to be with the HS equivalent of the Hollywood party crowd.

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