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Requesting an Editor for Story Review

Bob Watergate ๐Ÿšซ
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I am still somewhat new to SOL but have posted 38 stories to date. Many of you commented about one of my stories having the Lowest Number of Votes.

I am receiving comments about my stories needing an editor because of my poor grammar or punctuation or pronoun misuse!

I have proof checked each of my stories before posting but I now I still have a few errors. To date NO ONE had shown me one of my stores and the ERRORS it contains so I can learn from that review and editing.

I am asking for just that. Please find a Bob Watergate story and show me what I need to do to be that better writer. I am trying to follow High Score authors on how to show excitement during sexual activates.

Some tell me I use ! too much but I see other authors using them too ... so what am I doing wrong?

I will gladly submit a story to anyone that gives me an email or you can copy one of my stories and then send the corrected copy to pigboy8911@gmail.com

As you will find my stories cover everything from incest, to lesbian sex, bisex and even watersports. Many are based upon real life events, and then expanded into a full story with fun extras added.

Thanks!

Please help!

Freyrs_stories ๐Ÿšซ
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@Bob Watergate

I'll read a few. but I'm not the best person to be editing as English is my 5th language (I now have a total of 10 that I've spent time learning, Time is at least one year at present.) As a result I sometimes see things that other wouldn't but i may see them wrong for the same reason.

DM me through the site and we can talk. I sit GMT + 10Hrs so allow for that time as a turnaround in discussions.

Freyrs_stories ๐Ÿšซ

@Bob Watergate

OK, I skimmed through the author you linked and I didn't see anything there that is a red flag no go. not too keen on the MM stuff but I can probably handle some light scenes if not too badly written. everything else is fine and dandy. Like I said DM me here and I'll post you a reply with an email addy I can accept messages on. I'd prefer the files be .ODT I use open office not microsoft so that's the default file type. though it will read .DOCX there may be some tomfoolery in the back end that borks the process on my read.

What I would do is read through it once and give you my opinion on the form of the story then go looking for slips, like punctuation and homonyms and homophones. expect 48-72 hrs turn around due to any time zone differences, but I'll send updates as I go so you know it's not sitting in the circular file.

Bob Watergate ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

Ok, thanks! So what email do you want me to use to send a story to you for review? When I tried to convert my Word 2010 .doc file to a .docx file type it said it couldn't because they were the same file type? I don't know what to do here.

Bob Watergate ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

Ok, I found a way to convert from MS Word .doc to an .odt file. I have three files ready to send to you. What email do you want me to use please?

Replies:   Freyrs_stories
Freyrs_stories ๐Ÿšซ

@Bob Watergate

check your site mail

Kaveman ๐Ÿšซ

@Bob Watergate

Try just exporting it as a text file. I doubt you would have any drastic formatting.

Generally only formatting and inserts become a problem with odt and doc files. Openoffice can read .doc files just fine. I use it myself.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ
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@Bob Watergate

I have proof checked each of my stories before posting but I now I still have a few errors. To date NO ONE had shown me one of my stores and the ERRORS it contains so I can learn from that review and editing.

I have picked up a few readers that help me edit and correct mistakes I have made. However, there is one thing I had noticed.

That is the most corrections I get are for my longer form stories. I have some that will send me corrections for each chapter, which is a lot of help. But I will get few to none if it is a single chapter story.

However, content is also everything in keeping a reader interested and involved enough to send feedback like that. And in a single shot story, as there is nothing to follow I think there is little interest to do so. Where as a longer story written over weeks or months (even years) will tend to keep readers engaged longer and more interested in feedback.

Also, writing in "kink categories" can often keep readers away. For example, for a great many readers things like incest, watersports, cuckolding, rape, beastiality, male-male, and the like will keep them from reading. Simply because they have no interest in that subject.

Also, I for one often do not care how my stories are rated. I am actually proudest of some of my lower ranked stories. Because I accomplished what I set out to do when I wrote it, and know that some are often just not happy with the ending.

Loved the story, but hated that I had the main character and the girl he loved died horribly in a car crash at the end? Well, you must also hate Romeo and Juliet. But as a famous philosopher once said, "This ain't that kinda story, bruv."

Replies:   happytechguy15  GreyWolf
happytechguy15 ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

Mushroom, if a reader find an error, what is a good method to send the info in feedback? For instance, 2/3 way down the page, a bit after Fred goes jogging. "of" is misspelled as "if". Wouldnt that take you forever to find?

Replies:   awnlee jawking  Mushroom
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@happytechguy15

Assuming there are actually few errors, I'd quote the sentence(s) containing the error(s) followed by my suggested correction(s).

If there are lots of errors, I don't bother ;-)

AJ

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@happytechguy15

Mushroom, if a reader find an error, what is a good method to send the info in feedback? For instance, 2/3 way down the page, a bit after Fred goes jogging. "of" is misspelled as "if". Wouldnt that take you forever to find?

I generally put the title and chapter in the topic, and then copy the sentence in question with the suggested correction.

Here is an example I got recently:

Topic: The Sensei - Chapter 18

I have a feeling this will not be our first dinner together, and it is not a problem at all."

From context, I think that should be LAST, not FIRST.

*smacks self in face*

Replies:   Switch Blayde  akarge
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

I generally put the title and chapter in the topic, and then copy the sentence in question with the suggested correction.

I also copy the sentence in error with the correction. But I don't put in the story title or chapter. When you send feedback, SOL does that for you in the subject.

akarge ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

Mushroom, if a reader find an error, what is a good method to send the info in feedback? For instance, 2/3 way down the page, a bit after Fred goes jogging. "of" is misspelled as "if". Wouldnt that take you forever to find?

I post noticed errors in the feedback link at the bottom of that chapter. The email that the author gets directs him to that specific chapter. Then I cut and quote at least a full sentence that includes the error. Example: This is from your original posted question.

To date NO ONE had shown me one of my stores and the ERRORS it contains so I can learn from that review and editing.

Then I show the correction as a partial quote set off with ellipses ...

... one of the STORIES...

The author can use the FIND editing tool to locate his error.

Generally, I won't do more than one ore two errors per story, as I am usually reading it on a phone screen.

GreyWolf ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

Loved the story, but hated that I had the main character and the girl he loved died horribly in a car crash at the end? Well, you must also hate Romeo and Juliet.

I agree with the great majority of what you're saying, but (having not read the story in question - sorry) I'm not sure this part follows.

The question is: does the car crash follow from the story itself? Again - I haven't read it, so I don't know. Romeo and Juliet's tragic death wasn't intended to be a death. Juliet was faking her own death, after all, and the fake suckered Romeo (thanks to a missed message), who took action before anyone who knew the truth could intervene. Left not only with Romeo, but likely the unwitting cause of his demise, Juliet wasn't willing to go on, either. The point is, the deaths flow out of the story as a whole.

So: if the car crash is just a car crash, that's one thing. If the car crash happens because the driver is raging about events in the story and fails to pay attention, that's another.

It's also the case that throughout Romeo and Juliet, Romeo's repeatedly been at risk of an abrupt death. It's not a shock that someone dies, just how. And, the play was billed up front as a 'Tragedy'.

All of this may apply to your story - no criticism there. It's just 'X ends with a death, Y ends in a death, so if you like X, you must like Y' makes little sense. 'Night of the Living Dead' ends with a tragic demise which flows straight out of the story, but I wouldn't say that anyone who hates 'Night of the Living Dead' must hate 'Romeo and Juliet'.

One other unrelated thought: part of the problem with "kink categories" is the limited audience, but I suspect nearly as big a problem are people who read them, enjoy them, but don't want to admit to reading and enjoying them, even as a semi-anonymous reader. Story counts suggest that some of those categories aren't particularly unpopular...

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ
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@GreyWolf

The question is: does the car crash follow from the story itself? Again - I haven't read it, so I don't know.

Actually, it was a do-over story. In which early on I showed that the person repeating was changing history, either actively or just by being there ("Butterfly Effect").

The first, in their "original history" the 1979 Iran Hostage crisis ended not by them being released after the 1980 election, but by Iraq accidentally killing them in an air strike. And in a "contemporary movie" at the start where he has his fatal accident, instead of CGI they were flying real WWII era aircraft dangerously close over the heads of untrained extras as explosions were happening. Like in the "Twilight Zone" incident, the plane was too low, got caught by part of the explosion, crashed on the main character. Major change in history, and implying that the history was very different than the one we know.

This was to imply that anything after the character arrived back in 1979 could change. The Iran Hostage Crisis ended differently. And safety rules regarding aircraft on movie sets were lax, so likely his original timeline had no helicopter crash killing Vic Morrow and two children.

Then later, a car he was given originally had a failing transmission and died less than two months later. He knew that, so arranged to have it replaced with another car without that issue.

But those two things and more sent him on the trajectory to the end. Changing from hurdles to cross country running also saved him from a horrible ankle break which ended his chance at a college scholarship or of joining the military. I showed him several times making changes in his past, which is typical in a "do-over story". But made him start to feel he was invulnerable.

However, the intent from the very start was actually to show that when changes happen, they can be good as well as bad. At the end, driving at night on a winding canyon road with only one hand on the wheel and the other holding his girlfriend was the final piece. He had largely reverted to being a "typical teen", and not being as cautious about such things as an adult would be as he likely thought he was "safe". Tire blows out on a curve, car turns to that side, right over a cliff.

**It was right before school was to start again, and we had spent the night up at our favorite parking spot, in the hills above Newhall. It had been a delightful 2 hours making love, and Candy was holding my hand as I drove us back down the winding canyon road. And the front passenger tire blew out. As I only had one hand on the wheel, it was violently yanked out of my hand. And my last thought as the car pitched off the side and into the ravine is screaming in my head "No! This is not supposed to happen! I still have my entire life ahead of me again!"**

As I always do, I build subtle links in a chain that may only come together in the mind of the reader at the end. And I structured it that way as one of my "trope breaking stories". Just because you live for 50+ years, if you reset and make changes there is no guarantee that you will once again live for 50+ years.

And believe it or not, my original ending was much darker. The he knew the girl he hooked up with, and in his original life she was happily married to another woman. Originally, I was going to have her start to become torn and conflicted over this attraction, while being with him. She would then have killed herself, and he would have followed when he realized what his meddling had caused. But I felt the ending I came up with during righting was better.

But I also constantly warn people that any story I put in my "Dark Tales" universe does not have a typical "happy ending". Most ultimately end like some episodes of "The Twilight Zone", where they end in a kind of hell of their own making. Bang a teen, you might well end up in jail. Got a girlfriend into erotic asphyxiation, things may go too far. Get a watch that stops time and are warned strongly to make sure it never winds down? You had better make sure it is fully wound before you go into the local Catholic Girl's School with the intent of banging all the students.

Expecting a "Happy Ending" in any of my Dark Tales stories is kind of like watching Game of Thrones, and rooting for Ned Stark or Lady Catherine. We who read the books before the series knew how that was going to turn out.

"This ain't that kinda story, bruv!"

GLCFAN2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Bob Watergate

I have written a few stories but none submitted. Should I find a reviewer or just submit one and see? If I should get a reviewer/editor where do I find one?

Replies:   Pixy  JoeBobMack
Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@GLCFAN2

Personally, I would choose what you think is your best piece and post it. Take the feedback on-board and then re-visit the decision as to whether or not to seek the services of an editor.

As for finding an editor; On your home page, click on 'Authors/editors' at the top, then click on 'Post/Delete Editing Help Request' and post a request for help.

There is also a list on that same page titled 'Volunteer Editors' click on the link 'Find Volunteer Editors' which gives you a list and then all you have to do is scroll down till you find one that meets your needs.

JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ

@GLCFAN2

I've found the editor options here on SOL require a broad net -- sending queries to those that look like they might fit, often getting no response, then getting an indication of interest and no followup, some starting to read, then just stopping with no communication. Maybe they hate my story, but I haven't gotten a response like that, and I give both my current blurb and all tags in making sure it's a fit. So, your mileage may vary, but that's my experience.

HOWEVER, I did finally get some folks and they're being very helpful. Also, I should admit, I was looking for something more than a proofreader, I wanted someone to read and respond -- characters, plot, language -- likes and dislikes, what pulled them in and what threw them out.

Also, I've recently run across r/betareaders on Reddit. Not a lot of experience, but I'm doing some beta reading for authors there, and in one case ended up with a critique swap that's generating feedback from someone who is likely not the main audience at SOL (young, female, Australian -- Okay, lots of Aussies here, but not so much on the young and female). But, as a writer herself, it's interesting to get her take.

Good luck with your story. I hope you're getting as much stimulation and enjoyment from the process of writing as I am.

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