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List of stories about to be archived is inconsistent

BlacKnight

When there are multiple pages of stories about to be archived, there's something weird going on with how they get paginated. The last story displayed on page 1 (#10) is also displayed as the first story on page 2 (#11), and if you then go back to page 1 by clicking on the 1 button (not by using the Back button in your browser), it shows a different list of ten stories - mostly the same, but with a couple added or removed.

This is not just the result of stories actually going in and out of "about to be archived" status; repeating it gets the same inconsistent lists of stories.

Replies:   madnige  Vlad_Inhaler
Ernest Bywater

That happens with a lot of lists if you happen to check them while they're being updated. As the new story is added the last changes.

Replies:   BlacKnight
BlacKnight

@Ernest Bywater

That happens with a lot of lists if you happen to check them while they're being updated. As the new story is added the last changes.

Again: "This is not just the result of stories actually going in and out of 'about to be archived' status; repeating it gets the same inconsistent lists of stories."

At the moment, if you just click on the "Up for Archival" link on the Home page, it shows:
1. 'Visions
2. A Few Days With Aunt Jen
3. Bite Mark
4. Cuckolded by a Punk Rock Band
5. Farm Call
6. First Teen Experiences
7. Jill's Day Out
8. Macro's Story
9. Mother Is MILFed by Temptation
10. Nervous Virgin's Virginity Fixed (new version)

If you click to page 2, #11 is... "Nervous Virgin's Virginity Fixed (new version)".

If you then click to page 1, the list is:
1. Bite Mark
2. Cuckolded by a Punk Rock Band
3. The Dogging Virgin
4. The Donkey Solution

5. Farm Call
6. A Few Days With Aunt Jen
7. First Teen Experiences
8. Jill's Day Out
9. Macro's Story
10. Mother Is MILFed by Temptation

The bolded ones aren't displayed at all on the initial page. "A Few Days With Aunt Jen" moves from #2 to #6. "'Visions", formerly #1, doesn't show up until page 3, as #25.

On closer examination, it appears to be using a different kind of alphabetical sort (ignoring leading punctuation and articles) when a page is specified than when it just defaults to the first page.

madnige
Updated:

@BlacKnight

This is not just the result of stories actually going in and out of "about to be archived" status; repeating it gets the same inconsistent lists of stories.


Not necessarily - it could be as EB describes, but your browser is serving you a stale page (after all, the URL is the same so the content can't have changed, right?). Try forcing a full refresh (Ctrl-F5) to force a re-read from the site.

https://www.wikihow.com/Force-Refresh-in-Your-Internet-Browser

https://www.ghacks.net/2018/01/24/google-chrome-hard-reload-vs-normal-reload/

ETA: OK the behaviour you describe is there; I have a tab permanently open with '?&sf=alpha&so=asc' as the URL tail, and that didn't show it. The page content claims sort by title ascending, but clicking on 'Title' twice (to sort descending, then resort ascending) gives the correct page, so Lazeez does indeed have a bug.

Replies:   Keet
Keet

@madnige

ETA: OK the behaviour you describe is there; I have a tab permanently open with '?&sf=alpha&so=asc' as the URL tail, and that didn't show it. The page content claims sort by title ascending, but clicking on 'Title' twice (to sort descending, then resort ascending) gives the correct page, so Lazeez does indeed have a bug.

And the bug is probably that the initial page is not sorted according to the sort-link. Clicking descending and then back to ascending gives the correct order. Even if you refresh the initial page the 'wrong' order remains. Once you selected a sorting through one of the links the order is correct. The initial page simply doesn't use the initial sort order (title ascending).
The same happens on more listings. That's a good thing for Lazeez because he can probably fix them all in one place ;)

Replies:   awnlee jawking
Vlad_Inhaler

@BlacKnight

I hardly ever look at that page nowadays but noticed the same thing earlier today. It is *not* a cache issue.
It is several weeks since I went there before today and I'm pretty sure I'd have noticed if the bug was present then.

awnlee jawking

@Keet

And the bug is probably that the initial page is not sorted according to the sort-link.


Those are the same symptoms as the bug that used to affect the first page of stories on author pages. Since Lazeez fixed it (IIRC), presumably fixing the archive list issue is just a case of replicating the code.

AJ

Replies:   doctor_wing_nut
doctor_wing_nut

@awnlee jawking

Those are the same symptoms as the bug that used to affect the first page of stories on author pages.


I think that bug still exists, in some form. I was recently searching an author's page that began with a number-titled story, then went to the A's, and so on - but on page 5 of his stories there appears another number-titled story, and then the alphabet begins again with more A's. I don't know what dictates the sorting here, but it seems like an error, or 'bug' to me.

As a non-premium member I have no control or input into the sorting, just deal with it as I find it. Not a big deal, just seems odd to me.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@doctor_wing_nut

I'm not sure, because I don't spend much time tinkering with all the site facilities, but I think authors have control over how stories are ordered on their page(s).

AJ

Replies:   joyR
joyR

@awnlee jawking

I'm not sure, because I don't spend much time tinkering with all the site facilities, but I think authors have control over how stories are ordered on their page(s).


You are correct, authors can set the order in which they want their stories displayed.

Replies:   doctor_wing_nut
doctor_wing_nut

@joyR

Thanks for clearing that up, guess it's not a bug. It seems odd that the second part in a series would not be near the first part, when the names are so similar, but whatever.

Replies:   Keet
Keet

@doctor_wing_nut

Thanks for clearing that up, guess it's not a bug.

It's still inconsistent because going to page 2 should be the next page in the same order as page 1 regardless what order the author set or didn't set in their preferences. A story from page 1 could never appear on page 2 which is what happens and indicates that going to page 2 sets a different order. I can think of several ways how this can happen but that's a technical story hard to follow for non-developers.

Ernest Bywater
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As an Author I can change the way the stories appear by having them list in a custom order where I choose the order, or in alphabetical order, or in reverse alphabetical order, or in posting date order, or in reverse posting date order. I think the default is the posting date order and the author has to change it if he wants anything else.

Edit to add: I have noticed that when a story starts with The or A as in The Hermit or A Mad World it will often appear under both the letters of the first word and the next word so The Hermit can appear under T and H etc.

Also, a newly posted story will not show in the right place in a Custom order list until the author goes in and resets the order.

Replies:   Keet
Keet

@Ernest Bywater

Edit to add: I have noticed that when a story starts with The or A as in The Hermit or A Mad World it will often appear under both the letters of the first word and the next word so The Hermit can appear under T and H etc.

There's probably a different index for each. They don't appear twice, they appear again because of a different order. The only way I can think of where the same story ends up twice in the same order is when the database index is corrupted.

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