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Feature Request — Option to not convert diacritical marks (and quotes)

Michael Loucks 🚫
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The posting process changes accent marks which appear between letters to either left or right 'smart' quotes which is visually confusing. This can also affect the use of single quotes for internal qutations which contain contractions.

Can we please have an option to not convert from 'dumb' quotes to 'smart' quotes when we post stories? I'm careful about the diacritical and quotation marks, and they do not render as I intend and there is no way to get them to do that.

This also results in people sending me 'corrections' for things I cannot correct.

Thanks for considering this request.

Quasirandom 🚫

@Michael Loucks

That would be nice. I'd love to not have a properly curled apostrophe at the start of a word turned into opening single quote.

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫

@Quasirandom

That would be nice. I'd love to not have a properly curled apostrophe at the start of a word turned into opening single quote.

I had that happen with dialect.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Michael Loucks

Can we please have an option to not convert from 'dumb' quotes to 'smart' quotes when we post stories?

Sure. Easy to do.

Use the tag {psc} in the text. Anywhere. It will stop the smart quotes conversion from and to.

Michael Loucks 🚫
Updated:

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Use the tag {psc} in the text. Anywhere. It will stop the smart quotes conversion from and to.

Thanks.

Given that appears to be a paragraph tag, it's going to make the text inconsistent unless applied to every paragraph.

Any chance we could get a checkbox on submission?

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Michael Loucks

Given that appears to be a paragraph tag,

No. One tag disables quote conversion for the whole file.

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

No. One tag disables quote conversion for the whole file.

Excellent! Much apprciated!

Quasirandom 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Awesome.

To clarify usage, when submitting as an html file, would this tag be included inside paragraph tags, or naked within the body tags?

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Quasirandom

It can be anywhere. In a paragaph on its own or included in an actual text paragraph.

A search will look for the exact tag anywhere in the document. If found, the conversion of quotes will be turned off and the found tag will be deleted.

However, logically, being in a paragraph on its own makes the most sense.

Replies:   Quasirandom
Quasirandom 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

👍🏻

Quasirandom 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Okay, I'm a little confused. You wrote:

It will stop the smart quotes conversion from and to.

I just posted a story using the tag, and it converted from smart quotes to straight ones anyway.

Did I misunderstand the functionality?

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Quasirandom

I just posted a story using the tag, and it converted from smart quotes to straight ones anyway.

Did I misunderstand the functionality?

I manually checked the html that you uploaded. It was malformed. It had xml declaration and the encoding declaration was UTF-8.

However, the file was actually encoded Windows-1252.

how did you create the file? did you edit the html/xml file directly using something like notepad?

The submission wizard's HTML-to-TXT converter automatically fixed the mis-encoding while converting it to text by straightening the quotes and replacing most mis-encoded characters.

When vixen processed it, she couldn't know these things.

I downloaded the original file you uploaded and inspected it. When I removed the xml declarations and fixed the encoding manually, then the curly quotes showed.

If you're going to directly edit the html file, you should use a more sophisticated editor that understands different characters encodings.

As a site that receives text in various formats, from various platforms, from different people that do things differently, we get a lot of fringe cases like this one. Over the years I have refined the process to deal with most mishaps.

Had you not used the {psc} tag, the process would have curled the quotes again all would have looked normal to you.

I've already reprocessed the file and your original quotes are now on the site instead of the straightened ones.

Replies:   Quasirandom
Quasirandom 🚫
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@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Thanks.

I'm editing html in Notepad++, and I've used this file for uploads before. There's something funky going on with the encoding on the Win11 system, though — on my old system, N++ was saving as UTF-8, not Windows-1252, but this seems to have been bolloxed in the migration. When I change to UTF, though, higher characters display as codes. Hrm. I need to tinker with this.

Do you recommend declaring as html instead of xml?

ETA: Okay, got the file to correctly save in UTF-8 format. That was harder than it needed to be.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Quasirandom

Do you recommend declaring as html instead of xml?

Yes. xhtml failed and was deprecated. Unless you're using pure xml, then use html and declare html.

The only still alive usage of xhtml that I know of is inside EPUB files.

Replies:   Quasirandom
Quasirandom 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

It's also used inside RoboHelp and a few other help creating tools (though not Madcap Flare).

Thanks.

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