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What would it do to the present day if you replaced the puritans of Americas past with a sex cult?

Turn Queen Victoria into a exhibitionist slut?

Both necessary nudges on the right track, but the grand quest to eliminate the swimsuit -- to turn the twenty century across the whole planet into clothes optional utopia not unlike we like to perceive ancient Greek mythology (with is arguably false, that's almost definitely a case where we judge a culture almost solely on its porn) -- would hlikely have to start even earlier.

Not necessarily as far back as ancient Greece or India, although checking out how they were looking in reality and not respective porn could be advantageous. But radically changing or summary eliminating Islam might be a must.

One might think, but in reality the (first world) people with least hangups about nudity are to be found in north and east Europe and their secondary back migrations to Siberia and Black Sea.

Remarkably in full four season climate, the short hot summer is time for shameless skinny dipping, a welcome relief from wearing overcoats eight to ten months. While much of tropical belt is dominant by aggressive prudes demanding full body cover for swimming.

I don't talk about "absolute" full time nudist lifestyle with is absurd niche behavior at best anyway (and impractical for lack of pockets and giving up the communication medium clothing is). I talk about simply doing all the same and everything one now is expected to wear swimsuit for without that little rag and pretended modesty.

ETA: Ideally, imagine world exactly as it is, only "for sake of modesty" is removed from valid reasons to wear clothes. Doesn't mean those are not used for every other, from protective to decorative purposes, although the later fashions could differ a bit too.

I would hope that in your clothing optional utopia, there would be absolutely no problem with nude cycling ;-)

Look up "World Naked Bike Ride", a yearly returning event.

I would hope that in your clothing optional utopia, there would be absolutely no problem with nude cycling ;-)

Absolutely not. Naked human of any gender any age and any body complexion should be no more newsworthy than a human wearing blue shirt. It should literally be just unimportant trivia about their appearance. Yes, there could be contexts where it would be mentioned as unusual or even weird (consider a naked cyclist observed on the street at -10F) but otherwise no different than who their clothes designer was they had opted to wear some.

ETA: it shouldn't be necessary, but probably worth mentioning that deliberately masturbating in front of the catholic girl school would still be a crime. Sexual assault remains such irregardless of fashion trends.

ETA: it shouldn't be necessary, but probably worth mentioning that deliberately masturbating in front of the catholic girl school would still be a crime. Sexual assault remains such irregardless of fashion trends.

True, but the law can also change in response to other cultural changes. Even in the real world, legal definition of sexual assault has not been static over time.

At least in most US jurisdictions, the posited exposure while it would be a crime is not as a legal matter sexual assault.

This would generally fall under either indecent exposure or public indecency.

It would be if the Catholic school girl's name was Pepper Potts. Then it'd be assault on Pepper.

Assault is a threat of violence. Indecent exposure is not any kind of assault.

It didn't go over my head, it was a dud and fell flat.

This would generally fall under either indecent exposure or public indecency.

Well, the only place such terms are ever mentioned in my jurisdiction is in municipal rules (which may differ by city, town or village) where such is routinely listed as one of behaviors that can potentially constitute case of hooliganism, if it disrupts public order in dangerous ways or significantly preclude others to use the place for its intended purpose (usually upon discretion of law enforcement).

The other alternative is if someone is offended enough to elevate it to a case of sexual assault under criminal law, with all the potential consequences like sex offenders register.

So here, basically, nudity in itself isn't illegal anywhere. If you're in urban area and a cop ask you to cover up, then better do, or else you may be arrested for hooliganism. But being caught intentionally exposing male genitals in front of a school in session will land you in sex offenders register; there was at least one case to that effect not long ago (two years ago I think). But that's based on perceived intentions and exact actions, not the exposure as a fact. Simply walking by naked may or may not in fact make much fuss. He more likely made very deliberate show of himself.

(Yes, I specifically said male genitals, because traditional public opinion around here is that only men can ever commit sexual assault by mere exposure, as male genitals are unconditionally offending, while women are supposedly harmed by their nudity being observed, but otherwise artful beauty.)

The other alternative is if someone is offended enough to elevate it to a case of sexual assault under criminal law

That could not happen in any US State that I am familiar with. It simply would not qualify under the sexual assault laws.

The other alternative is if someone is offended enough to elevate it to a case of sexual assault under criminal law

That could not happen in any US State that I am familiar with. It simply would not qualify under the sexual assault laws.

Utah, if someone under the age of 18 is able to witness it. Without regard to their relationship with the person who is naked.

Although it wouldn't be classed as a sexual assault, it could get you on the sex offender registry as I recall.

Although it wouldn't be classed as a sexual assault,

Then Utah is not an exception to my statement. I didn't say it wouldn't be criminal, I said it couldn't be charged as sexual assault.

it could get you on the sex offender registry as I recall.

That would probably be true in every state that has a sex offender registry, even if it wasn't witnessed by a minor.

There are states where urinating in public (even without exposing yourself to someone else) can land you on the sex offender registry.

Remarkably in full four season climate, the short hot summer is time for shameless skinny dipping, a welcome relief from wearing overcoats eight to ten months. While much of tropical belt is dominant by aggressive prudes demanding full body cover for swimming.

Not actually correct?

President John Adams went skinny dipping in the Potomac River during his time in Washinton D.C.

The vast majority of native populations living in tropical areas were widely reported as running around naked, aside from an occasional loin cloth or other accessory for carrying other tools.

It wasn't until the Europeans attempted colonize and "civilize" those naked savages(and provide a new export market for their textile industries, even before the industrial revolution) that they started to develop nudity taboos(mostly because their colonial masters would strongly object to their nudity).

Even then, situational nudity was common and somewhat rampant, even among white Americans, into the early 20th century. Because climate control and automated washing machines for doing laundry weren't in wide use yet.

Clothing itself could become a disease vector after all, so if you couldn't afford the time/resources to change clothes and wash them afterwards(or at least, allow them to air/dry out before wearing again), then you'd remove those clothes before you did anything which might get them dirty or soaked in sweat.

But mostly, I'd still place a lot of the blame on the European(and American) Textile industry and people playing "keeping up with the Joneses" paired with the power of the pulpit. Buy clothes today, lest you be declared a naked heathen and be cast into hell.

Savages sure. I'm more talking about situation of today. And yes, the nudity taboo and sexualization of functional nudity are very recent trends, and getting worse.