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limnophile75044 ๐Ÿšซ

I was in a certain mood and wrote a brief beginning of a story. Hopefully somebody with more alcohol and testosterone than I have will finish it. Feel free to use the idea and credit me or not. I give up any copyright. If you use the idea and post it, please let me know. I'd love to read more about this guy.
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Stoney

I'm Steve McStonen, "Stoney" to my friends. I'm a Delta Operator. Lots of boring people tell stories about me, but I rarely do. I'd much rather be DOING than TELLING.

Armchair jaw-jackers compare me to Indiana Jones, Rocky, or even Superman.

Indiana Jones is a nerd, a glorified history teacher.
Superman is an illegal immigrant who should get the fuck out, until he has a green card.
Rocky was an idiot. 'Nuff said.

Bragging is bad luck, terrible luck. I learned not to brag during parachute training. The day after I bragged about how tough I was at a bar, my parachute failed, and my reserve chute failed too. If it weren't for the bear I landed on, I would have been in big trouble.

I really did carry a wounded soldier five miles through the mountains of ###CLASSIFIED###. Of course I did. Since I saved his life, he owed me a case of beer and a date with his sister. Those are the rules.

After only two drinks, his sister slapped me and called me an asshole. The next morning, she woke up naked on top of me, and we were married by lunch. I've loved, hated, and adored the hot, wonderful bitch for five years, and I'm looking forward to another fifty.

Once she asked if I'd love her forever. I said that when we turn eighty, I'm going to dump her for some hot young twenty-year-old. She still thinks I was kidding.

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JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ
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@limnophile75044

Love it! No way I could write it, but would absolutely ready it if I found a story that started like this.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

Idea for military badass character

Is Norwegian.
Spent a wet night in Demark
Placed on CIA death list
Searched for and killed the traitor who killed him

:)

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

Bragging is bad luck, terrible luck

I really did carry a wounded soldier five miles through the mountains

Since he brags about his exploits, presumably he's now dead and his biography is being published posthumously. ;-)

AJ

AmigaClone ๐Ÿšซ
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@limnophile75044

I have at times considered writing a scene with a character that might make those claims.

If I did though, someone that knows his true record would know that at the only true things the guy said involved his opinion on Indiana Jones, Superman and Rocky.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

Idea for military badass character

How about a small time pop music writer, who then goes on to create a game show. Just so he can sneak into Eastern Europe and assassinate Communists?

Eddie Davidson ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

I think for anyone to do justice to this story, they would have to have specific relatable experiences or it would come across without authenticity- like a Hollywood Rambo/007 and not someone who was really in the thick of it.

Problem is that anyone with that kind of experience probably has some sort of NDA type reason they can't talk about it even in the hypothetical/if they change some names.

Obviously though you've got more than a few nibbles of interest - so perhaps this is something you could research and try writing?

Replies:   awnlee jawking  Mushroom
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

without authenticity

It's already too OTT for that. I think the way forward is to continue in the same fashion offset by gentle humour, much as the early part of Banadin's Richard Jackson saga.

AJ

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

Problem is that anyone with that kind of experience probably has some sort of NDA type reason they can't talk about it even in the hypothetical/if they change some names.

It is not NDA, it is even more than that.

One thing made clear to anybody in the military that has a security clearance, is that it is for life. We are all made more than a little aware of that fact, and that even decades afterwards, we could find ourselves in a court of law for letting something slip that is still classified.

And the identity and how our intelligence services operate are some of the deepest secrets, as literally people's lives are at stake.

Many question why for example a lot of information about the Kennedy Assassination are still secret. But if you read the actual reports, there are some large chunks that came from "redacted sources". Both inside the US, and in other countries. And the official US policy is to never disclose something like that, unless all individuals so named are dead.

And in this case, it is long speculated that much of the information came from inside the USSR, as well as Mexico, Cuba, and other countries. So until it is confirmed that all who had given such information to the US are confirmed to be dead (or themselves revealed who they are), they will remain classified.

For decades, people speculated who "Deep Throat" was. But Woodward and Bernstein both said they would never reveal it until the person was dead. Until former #3 man in the FBI Mark Felt finally revealed to the world himself in 2005 that he was the one that leaked the story to W&B.

No, a DND or NDA has at most a civil risk that can get you sued if you reveal something. Revealing actual classified information can ultimately see the person hanging at the end of a rope in Leavenworth penitentiary.

Replies:   Switch Blayde  joyR
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

they would never reveal it until the person was dead

So we're going to have to wait for Carly Simon to die to find out who was so vain? Or the vain person?

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

So we're going to have to wait for Carly Simon to die to find out who was so vain? Or the vain person?

Well, that was actually been answered a long time ago.

Carly herself admitted that Warren Beatty was the main inspiration, but it was actually a conglomeration of three different men.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

One thing made clear to anybody in the military that has a security clearance, is that it is for life. We are all made more than a little aware of that fact, and that even decades afterwards, we could find ourselves in a court of law for letting something slip that is still classified.

Which does NOT mean that it never happens.

For example, seven active-duty Team 6 SEALs were punished for advising EA Games while still in the Navy. Their offences included revealing classified information.

Note. Punished, not locked up in Leavenworth or hung by the neck.

Then there is Snowden...

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Which does NOT mean that it never happens.

For example, seven active-duty Team 6 SEALs were punished for advising EA Games while still in the Navy. Their offences included revealing classified information.

Note. Punished, not locked up in Leavenworth or hung by the neck.

Then there is Snowden...

I did say could, not would. It depends upon the severity of the breech the person did, and the circumstances behind it.

Just recently, the Navy arrested a sailor for the arson that led to the fire on the USS Bonhomme Richard (LSA-6). And one of the charges filed was UCMJ Article 110, "Hazarding a Vessel". And yes, that is one of the Capitol Offense charges still in the UCMJ. He could theoretically be put to death for that, but likely that will not even be suggested if it goes to trial.

limnophile75044 ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

I didn't intend for the character or story to be realistic. He's supposed to be over-the-top. Stoney saying bragging is bad luck, then bragging like crazy is like those who say, "Let me be honest with you" then tell a bunch of lies. I think of him as a larger-than-life heroic jackass. Imagine a guy with the military abilities of Rambo but the attitude of Captain Jack Sparrow.

Replies:   mrherewriting
mrherewriting ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

The problem, as I see it, is that you have to make him likable. From your initial description, the only people I see liking him are people who like their heroes to be over-powered Mary Sues who know that they are Mary Sues. I think you'll lose a good portion of the audience if you make this guy so direct, but, you'll have readers who love him for his wish fulfillment characteristics.

Dial the hero's arrogant attitude back, make his exploits over-the-top, and let the reader come to the conclusion that he's Dr. Jones, Superman, and Rocky all rolled into one.

Right now your guy sounds like Steven Seagal, but you're really trying for Tony Stark.

Replies:   Mushroom  Remus2
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@mrherewriting

The problem, as I see it, is that you have to make him likable. From your initial description, the only people I see liking him are people who like their heroes to be over-powered Mary Sues who know that they are Mary Sues. I think you'll lose a good portion of the audience if you make this guy so direct, but, you'll have readers who love him for his wish fulfillment characteristics.

I have to admit, I would not read it. That is the kind of character that filled tons of pulp books through the 1980's, and I never did like them. Essentially gun porn for fat couch potatoes who likely never served.

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@mrherewriting

The problem, as I see it, is that you have to make him likable. From your initial description, the only people I see liking him are people who like their heroes to be over-powered Mary Sues who know that they are Mary Sues. I think you'll lose a good portion of the audience if you make this guy so direct, but, you'll have readers who love him for his wish fulfillment characteristics.

Agreed. There are many stories already filled with Mary Sues as it is.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

stories already filled with Mary Sues

Are you sure a male character can be a Mary Sue? I seem to recall there is a name for guy characters with Mary Sue type characteristics.

"Is there a male Mary Sue?
Mary Sue (sometimes abbreviated "Sue")is a term used to describe characters who are typically considered to be wish-fulfillment characters of the author. The male equivalent is known as a Gary Stu, Marty Stu, or Larry Stu.Feb 10, 2016"

Replies:   awnlee jawking  Mushroom
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ
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@richardshagrin

Are you sure a male character can be a Mary Sue?

Why not? The formalising of the concept can be traced back to a character named 'Mary Sue', but the defining characteristics are ambisexual. There's no actual need for a 'male' equivalent, and none of your three names 'alternatives' have achieved anything like universality.

AJ

Replies:   mrherewriting
mrherewriting ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

That saves me from having to say the same thing.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

Are you sure a male character can be a Mary Sue?

Simple, look no farther than Tom Clancy.

During his time out of government service, he was doing the exact same thing Tom did before he became a writer. And the Ryan family home is in the same place and is described exactly as his own real life house.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

I really, really want to read that story.

All it takes is a little imagination and a healthy sense of humor to enjoy such a story. Some people have neither. Ignore them.

It must be continued, but in what way?

Perhaps he's explaining his current employment situation to his fellow workers as he tests fasteners at the TeenyTits Brassiere Company:

"If it hadn't been for that unfortunate mishap in ##REDACTED## with the Sultan's ##REDACTED## ..."

Replies:   JoeBobMack
JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

Perhaps he's explaining his current employment situation to his fellow workers as he tests fasteners at the TeenyTits Brassiere Company:

"If it hadn't been for that unfortunate mishap in ##REDACTED## with the Sultan's ##REDACTED## ..."

Over-the-top, tongue-in-cheek stories definitely have an attraction. I'd read that!

limnophile75044 ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

I just had a major realization. 'Stoney' is very similar to the cartoon character 'Archer'. I think I'll leave this one alone for copyright reasons, but if somebody continues the story, I'd love to read it.

LonelyDad ๐Ÿšซ

@limnophile75044

Banzi Ben comes to mind.

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