Forum: Story Ideas

"No, I am NOT going to remove my top here in the food court!" as she slowly unbuttons her blouse, looking very confused and embarrassed.

I am looking for a variation on mind control.

Competent mind controller would have more involved goals than fucking around. Not that they would give that up, for shits and giggles if not otherwise. The controlled person may not ever learn the real goals either, but still may tell their story, once abandoned or otherwise. Now flip the genders, making it a girl in control.

So... well, this may not fit the topic title directly, nothing I could possibly suggest might as I don't understand and mostly despise humiliation (while nurse a kink for shy and gratuitous public nudity, but some light embarrassment is most there should be before it's perceived positively), but should be easily adaptable if need be; feel free to use however you see fit:

Shy, lonely, reclusive, maybe even antisocial guy. I imagine him living with his parents, but could be any form of shared living or even alone although that's less interesting.

So one night he's really tired (maybe even had a little drink too) and watched television in living room until fell asleep, woke up, wandered up to his room, disrobed without bothering to turn light on and crawled in his bed. Probably wondering a little why the blanket not spread but bundled up on the far side.

Well, turns out the blanket's in use. As he pull it a girl rolls onto him with a sleepy little whine, and cuddles on his shoulder, happily asleep. And he's going, what the fuck, and for his life can't think who it could be, but what the hell, just goes to sleep too like that.

Next morning goes surreal. The girl behave as if she belongs there, but slaps down his attempt to take advantage of her, going with "we don't have time for that." And his parents (or whomever he cohabitate with) act like it's perfectly normal Eileen's there, and with him, and seems to know her well. And yes, that's how our guy learns his new bedmate's name, from how others call her. And other students at school (or colleagues, or whomever he's forced to hang out most days) are all the same. It's like he's only one who's not aware he had been an item with the strange girl since forever as it seems. And wondering a bit what he's doing he himself kind of fall in the role, instead of making any fuss; she's a hot chick after all, and all. But he's also absolutely sure the girl wasn't there yesterday.

Well, by the end of that night he does in fact masterfully seduce his new girlfriend, wondering why he does all that shit all the way, but the sex at the end is mind blowing.

And so he kind of accepted it's how things is now. And she's doing crazy things and nobody seems to mind, and she seems to have a way to get people to do what she wants, and she surely knows how to have fun. And his own social life has definitely changed for the best, he suddenly has ton of friends and visit places, and girls flirting with him and he seems to suddenly know how to enjoy it, even if he's not even that interested since he does have Eileen.

It wouldn't lasts long though. Two-three weeks or so, I think, at least a week and no more than couple months at the extreme. Then she disappeared, just as suddenly. And of course nobody knows a thing. Eileen? Who's Eileen? Doofus, you had a girlfriend? How I didn't I know? Worse, he's himself like out of water. The new social skills he seemed to have discovered are gone too, apparently. Well, not completely perhaps, but it's hard now. Maybe his life is better on the whole, maybe he even had found a job, or better job, the new friends still there (as long he'snot screw it up) or whatever, but it's hollow without Eileen. And world seems to have conspired to prove he had imagined her. He's not! However, whatever little evidence he has, it's circumstantial or dubious.

Some not too long time after, a month or two, or half a year till two, maybe, and probably out of town he suddenly see her. Sure she claim he's confused her with some, but he blurts out something rather convincing to the contrary, and then she just as suddenly switch to trying to make it like she had been with him all the time. And the people with her swallow it without a hitch, but it sure doesn't work on him.

Or even:

Let's say, Johnny, our typical nerd who had no sex life in high school but isn't necessarily totally naive or lacking self confidence, goes to college determined to catch up on that in the new environment.

Some new friends suggest him to try Mandy if he's desperate to get laid -- she's rumored to be easy. He does get a date, but doesn't expect much, and it seems not to go very great indeed, until, something clicks and the girl becomes... almost rather aggressive. Everything happens, and all is great, kinda. But it was to be expected, or wasn't it? Turns out it wasn't, soon afterwards Nancy freak out and leave in a huff, claiming he must have drugged her or something. Well, confusing, but just a weird slut, right?

Taking that as a learning experience it was, Johnny ask out Nancy next. The date goes much smoother, but even as the girl seems ready for anything by the end, he decides to be a perfect gentlemen and not try anything too abrupt. And it does win him another date, and it soon seems they picked up right where they ended, and Johnny accept his charms are irresistible and Nancy doesn't even freak out afterwards. Not right away, at least. They're fucking every chance they can get for a week or two, until Nancy dumps him, rather abruptly, and without explanation.

Not quite heartbroken, Johnny asks out some other girls soon after, but gets a firm rebuke every time. Turns out, Mandy is spreading nasty rumors, telling everyone how she's been all but raped, and Nancy isn't quite defending him either. Problem is those two are at the middle of the social furball, and so Johnny is plenty tainted.

Oh well, the field is vast, and there's no real hurry anymore. So why not try Alice, a shy, quiet and buttoned up to the chin church girl, and see what develops going as slowly as he could. And they get to third or fourth date until... the change of Alice's behavior is so abrupt Johnny outright asks, "who are you?" and gets an equally direct answer, a name unheard of (pardon me making up something potentially unpronounceable) Yeinualei.

Yeinu (now that appears to be an actual name, actually) insists Alice is still right there and fine, but she's horny and tired of bullshit. Yeinualei is frivolous, frisky and lewd, even rude, and practically blackmail Johnny to have sex with Alice -- she says, she can go to the bar and get however instead, and so on. Johnny decides he's dealing with a split personality and can't quite resist the temptation to play her game, but still try to negotiate consent from Alice, as confusing and unconvincing as it may be, and do what he can to make it great for her, disregarding Yeinu's impatience.

Alice does freak out afterwards, as expected. She doesn't blame Johnny about anything however, even accept his soothing, but claim (correctly!) that she's been possessed. Johnny call bullshit on that, and gather all he (doesn't) know about split personality in explanation: how Alice was so incredibly sexually repressed she had to invent Yeinu to let go of her own desires and so on. Alice doesn't quite buy that Yeinu could be her own creation, but admit that she can't quite define borders between them. She firmly refuses to seek professional help though.

A weird triad relationship develops, Johnny isn't too fond of Yeinu even if she's fun in her own way showing up only when Alice is horny, nor Alice's original religiosity, but increasingly falls for the rest of Alice, more as his and Yeinu efforts to corrupt Alice succeeds -- involving much of gradual exhibitionism among other exploits. A careful reader may notice that Yeinu has intimate knowledge of Johnny's relationship with Nancy, but Johnny apparently doesn't; he also genuinely believes Yeinu will go away if Alice succeeds in integrating her.

Kelly is Alice's friend from a similar background who's mighty affected by the changes in Alice's relationship and behavior changes. She keeps hanging around with her however, and Johnny, by necessary extension, and one day she decides she's ready to loose her own virginity. Of course, that fits perfectly with Alice's corruption program, and it becomes a recurring thing. Johnny still doesn't (but a nitpicking reader eager to point out editorial errors may) notice how Yeinu drifts between both girls in what is effectively three body foursomes; Kelly does, but is okay with it believing that is exactly what she was subscribing to, and keep that to herself, for now at least.

Mandy keeps up her slander of Johnny, but his girlfriends are immune to it. There might or not be a sudden hate fuck episode that only makes Mandy more mad and confused.

Then... for whatever reason Johnny has to be split from his girlfriends for some while. Perhaps, during a break goes home alone as girls should make their own appearances and not quite ready to present him to their ultraconservative families. And his high school crush is right there somehow, and they getting caching up, and... Yeinu shows right up in her, shocking Johnny out of his pants, or at least trying. Confronted, she outright proposes that Johnny can have sex with any*body* he might desire, with her.

...that's the end... of the beginning?

Competent mind controller would have more involved goals than fucking around.

True, not to mention the self preservation angle. Using it to get laid constantly would eventually garner attention that would likely get them killed.

Using it to get laid constantly would eventually garner attention that would likely get them killed.

That depends on how he goes about it.

If he uses it to fuck every woman he meets and then just walks away from them, sure.

If he builds himself a long term harem and picks his victims carefully, no.

And quite frankly, in the modern would where all large financial transactions are tracked, being more ambitious than just getting laid will draw unwanted attention from the government a lot faster than using his power to constantly get laid.

And quite frankly, in the modern would where all large financial transactions are tracked, being more ambitious than just getting laid will draw unwanted attention from the government a lot faster than using his power to constantly get laid.

That's why controller needs those other people in the first place. Fucking them -- or making them to fuck in between -- is the easy part, and a good cover for the real things they do for the grand scheme without questioning or knowledge. Would be investigation would need to compile thousands of seemingly random acts performed by dozens of people, and some of most visible of those might look like quite normal kindness to a lover.

I want to do a variation on that -but I am not sure what.

Son finds a book that purports to be a how to for doing hypnosis/mind control purely by voice modulation.

Mom finds the book in her son's room. She's a bit submissive, and she trust her son will not seriously hurt her, so she decides to play along if he tries it on her.

The other side of traditional magic coin to placebo effect is conformational bias.

A subtle, cunning and seemingly competent mind controller might have, in fact, zero effects on anything but their own self-confidence. His targets doesn't know they are supposedly controlled, they don't actively play along, they just happen to do exactly what the would be mind controller intended entirely on their own motivations, only modified by direct action of the "controller" if even that.

For this to work the controller can't be too ambitious, must rationalize, accept or ignore failure to a significant degree and most importantly can't rely upon his magic exclusively, they should have workable rational solutions to their problems just supposedly enhanced by the magic.

Done right it lay beyond provable in either way; did the magic work is left to decide by the observer (reader).

It's one thing to control someone, even subtly, but to control everyone within view? Even the people that might be looking through a window 200 yards away? That's just a bit of a stretch for me.

There's ways to deal with it.

- accept that as limitation, source of risk and potential conflicts, there may be limits of distance, quantity and quality, meaning your power deteriorates quickly in crowds or otherwise

--- going after unforeseen observations may become a wack-a-mole struggle

--- the story itself can be, or start from a point of view of said unforeseen observer

----- who then is caught and enslaved

----- figure out mind control magic is in effect, and learn/acquire control themselves

- the magic is self-propagating or can be channeled in a way the unforeseen onlookers are affected by network effects: I mean, if you, let's say, make a girl go naked down the street you make her radiate message it's expected behavior in a way everyone seeing her will get it regardless of your acute awareness of every person. All you need is them to mean their own business without becoming alarmed, it may not be that much of an expenditure. Anyone you want to react otherwise for humiliation purposes or otherwise, you're would be aware about and can override the default

--- this can lead to potentially interesting unforeseen side effects

- the unforeseen observer isn't alarmed because the real situation isn't what is described

--- the actively controlled person(s) is deluded, they're never in much risk but the situation is built or made to appear worse in their minds

--- the supposedly controlling person is delusional and we are getting their fantasies instead of facts

----- probably because they are under active control of

------- the supposedly controlled person

------- third party having their own fun

It's one thing to control someone, even subtly, but to control everyone within view? Even the people that might be looking through a window 200 yards away? That's just a bit of a stretch for me.

You don't need to actively control everyone in the area.

Absent long range observers (cameras or someone with binoculars or a telescope), blanketing an area with a very simple suggestion along the lines of "pay no attention, nothing unusual or untoward happening here" would suffice.

blanketing an area with a very simple suggestion along the lines of "pay no attention, nothing unusual or untoward happening here" would suffice.

That's Larry Niven's Plateau Eyes, from his A Gift From Earth

That's exactly the problem I always think about in stories like these -- unless it's specifically set in a time/location where there aren't thousands of people walking around and security cameras everywhere. In the modern setting, like a mall, it'd be almost impossible to get everyone ignoring you, imo, and then there's the problem of security cameras happily picking up what you're doing, or that something odd is going on.

You could likely get away with it once or twice, but it's only a matter of time before someone reviews security footage for some unrelated matter and sees people acting weird.

Move someplace that's not fully enclosed, and then you have the problem of people being able to see you from the next hill over, well out of range of your magic mojo.

I actually wanted to do a story where that happened. The guy had the power to make an "exclusion zone" where everyone would ignore his shenanigans, but he never thought about how high that exclusion went. So there he was boinking a couple hotties on the street corner... and some guy is looking down from his balcony at the whole thing, wondering what in the world is going on.

"Why... um... oh my! Is that Carly and Cynthia? Heavens to Betsy, I do believe it is!! Carly's a bit of a tart, but Cynthia is a good girl and would certainly never fellate a man in public like that!"

I could never figure out where to go after that, though. Part of me wanted the observer to somehow grab the power for himself, another part just wanted him to watch as the guy came by every day on his way to work and used another woman at the bus stop.

, and then there's the problem of security cameras happily picking up what you're doing, or that something odd is going on.

Even in the modern world not everywhere is heavily monitored by security cameras.

In the short term cameras aren't a problem unless someone remote is monitoring the feed live.

In the mid to long term if the mind controller was personally fucking them in public it would bring the authorities to his door.

On the other hand if he just made some woman strip in public to humiliate her and/or get her arrested, they'd never be able to pin it on him.

In the modern setting, like a mall, it'd be almost impossible to get everyone ignoring you, imo

I partially disagree. The problem isn't the raw number of people. Its the number of people entering and leaving the "exclusion" zone.

You need something with a persistent effect so that anyone new entering the area automatically gets hit with the ignore me suggestion.

problem of security cameras happily picking up what you're doing, or that something odd is going on.

However briefly, I happened to be the guy behind the monitors of a fairly large security/monitoring camera setup of an institution (a school, actually).

The risk posed by them is exaggerated, I think by Hollywood impressions and media hype in certain cases.

First, placement. You can't have cameras exactly everywhere you might want the way you might want, because, well, privacy issues. Like, there's no way a camera would look right into the door of girls changing room right in the middle of the frame, right? Sure.

But in exact case that mean a particular crossing of two major hallways and staircase couldn't be nicely overlooked by a one strategically placed camera (yes, it was a several hundred years old building reconstructed and expanded at least every fifty years so there was a lot of unexplainable arbitrary architecture, but trust me, I have seen very strange features of design in drawings of brand new structures too). Instead you have three, mostly non-overlaping, each looking at a corner, and there's large blind spot. And no, in this case, three cameras aren't better than one when you want to figure out who started a brawl. Even if you put them videos side-by-side and synced to a split second.

Second, resolution. Okay, it might have been a particularly crappy setup, but it wasn't, it was considered entirely fine for the place and time (a bit over decade ago, installing without legacy). Now, the cameras themselves were good. Not excellent but the real imagine was larger than your best monitor in practice. As long you viewed it live. Then, the compression kicked in. It was, well, aggressive, I would say. Storage was still expensive and they wanted to keep 24/7 from 50+ cameras for 30 days and a small subset longer.

They knew the people, they knew what each was wearing in a particular day, still a subset of incidents weren't helped by surveillance. Yes, they tried to use it for discipline enforcement and had to abandon that idea, because the videos were crap, particularly after the compression in long term storage. Access violations, fine, that's reasonably clear, anything else, not so much.

For kicks, shits and giggles I did actually walk the hallways naked at night, several times even. Well, I both did know the quirks, the blind spots, the deep darkness areas, the angles nothing is actually discernible, and then we are at the

Third, review. The percentage of video surveillance ever reviewed by human is minuscule. If there's an alert, a complaint, well, then it can be scrutinized. Operation as usual, without heightened interest, not so much. Even when when we were asked a question, nobody put in more work than it took. Depends of the question, of course. In some cases you do end up fast scrolling through hours to try and see when something happens. Those can catch something else strange going on, yes, but are exceptions. Else, it's usually one angle for a few minutes, yes or no, or can't tell. Now there might be tools for motion tracking and similar and so off hours fun might be more risky, but still, someone should call the the process. Without expressed alert surveillance is (or at least easily may be) moot.

So, it's a risk, yes. But it doesn't have to materialize. It will, if there's other problems, but you can get away with far more you believe right in front of the cameras. When you don't, the smartphone cameras may be greater threat, actually.