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trout ๐Ÿšซ

I've been thinking about writing a story set in a near dystopian future based on the following:

On May 15, 2019 US House candidate Pam Keith of Florida's 18th Congressional District, posted a tweet to her @PamKeithFL social media account. In it she says:

"Eighty-one percent of US boys are circumcised at birth. Why not do a reversible vasectomy at the same time? Then men can have the procedure reversed when they prove they want a child and can pay for it. No more unwanted pregnancies โ€“ No more abortions. No more freedom, but why be picky? (shrug)"

But I think all the one votes would put me in a severe depression.

Replies:   awnlee jawking  Jim S
ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

You might want to put in a militant religious faction who would be up in arms over that because it would be against God's will.

Keet ๐Ÿšซ

No more freedom, but why be picky? (shrug)"

The same freedom babies have in consenting to circumcision in the first place? I wonder if there are cases where a child started a law case against his parents because he did not consent to the procedure. The procedure should be forbidden until the age of consent is reached. You can't get tattoos or piercings until you're old enough but parents can let a baby be mutilated without a problem.
I'll step down from my box now...

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

I'll step down from my box now...

Female circumcision: illegal.
Male genital mutilation: still legal.

There oughta be a civil rights case against lawmakers.

Replies:   Keet  PotomacBob
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

Female circumcision: illegal.
Male genital mutilation: still legal.

There oughta be a civil rights case against lawmakers.

Exactly my point!

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

I was referring explicitly to the discrimination based on gender, not the one based on age.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

I was referring explicitly to the discrimination based on gender, not the one based on age.

I know, but I was referring to the OP where 'at birth' was the point. I don't care about gender, or color, or whatever. You should be able to make your own choice in what you want done to your body. That said, I personally hate any body disfigurement being it tattoos, piercings, circumcisions, or whatever other stupid thing some people manage to do to themselves. To me the only useful and non-intrusive thing is shaving/cutting hair.

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

There oughta be a civil rights case against lawmakers.

Why, specifically, the lawmakers? Were the lawmakers the cause? Why not sue the doctors? Or the hospitals? Or the parents? Or the insurance companies?

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Why, specifically, the lawmakers?

Obviously, a law that protects only one sex and not another should be considered oppression, shouldn't it? Oh, wait, I forgot, men aren't entitled to human rights. Unless they're gay or black or something.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

Didn't circumcisions start as a religious practice?

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

Yeah.

Mel Brooks explained the one pretty clearly in Robin Hood:Men in Tights

The female version is loosely Islamic, but it's more a cultural thing than actually part of the official religion.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@trout

"Eighty-one percent of US boys are circumcised at birth. Why not do a reversible vasectomy at the same time? Then men can have the procedure reversed when they prove they want a child and can pay for it. No more unwanted pregnancies โ€“ No more abortions. No more freedom, but why be picky? (shrug)"

Isn't a large proportion of the butchery performed by religionists with minimal medical training? Would they really be competent to perform vasectomies precise enough to be reversible?

AJ

Replies:   trout  Dominions Son
trout ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

I have no idea. I only know that I would oppose on moral grounds any purely elective (and medically unnecessary) surgeries, whether cosmetic or those that actually alter biological function in children.

What comes next? SRS on a male child because the parents really wanted a girl? It's been proposed, but under the guise that an 8 year old is competent enough to determine his/her gender.

And that too, would be an interesting story - "The Planned Nation of Trans" I would call it - but probably not one I would care to read.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

Isn't a large proportion of the butchery performed by religionists with minimal medical training?

Maybe, but not so large as to be the majority. AFIK, only the Jewish community has it done by a religious officials.

Also it should be noted that male circumcision and female circumcision as traditionally performed in those cultural groups that have a tradition of it are not remotely comparable.

A comparable procedure for a male would involve not just removal of the foreskin but complete removal of the head of the penis.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

A comparable procedure for a male would involve not just removal of the foreskin but complete removal of the head of the penis.

That's not entirely true. The female version varies widely, and clit piercings are far more invasive that the less drastic version for girls. The most drastic for girls, though, would be equivalent to a complete amputation

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

The female version varies widely, and clit piercings are far more invasive that the less drastic version for girls.

Yes, but but the least invasive form that would be equivalent to male circumcision (removal of just the clit hood) is not anywhere done for cultural/religious reasons. It exists only in the kink/body modification sub-cultures in the west.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Actually, the least invasive version I've heard of was just basically jabbing a needle into the clit, then removing the needle. It's a 'modern' version, since the exact details of what's "supposed to be done" weren't ever really official, just "girls need to have something done". So one of the moderate and modern subsects came up with the minimal version, just so the girls could claim they'd had something done.

Ferrum1 ๐Ÿšซ

I love how the congress-critter forgets to mention that women are allowed to "opt out" of parenthood via abortion, and puts the onus on guys to pay, to be a parent, all their lives even if they don't want to. Guys don't get the right to opt out?

Actually had a friend who is a judge tell me that if the guy didn't want to be a parent, he should have kept it zipped up. His eyes just about jumped out of his head when I smiled and asked him, simply, why he doesn't say the same thing to women? After all, they had to unzip their pants, too!

He doesn't talk to me much anymore, and I have to wonder if he's presided over cases where he screwed the "father" hard because of his personal belief. And, no, he wasn't a religious guy. Die-hard liberal atheist raised by liberals in a liberal state with liberal schools, etc. If there was one thing he certainly didn't like, it was religion and "toxic gender roles", yet here he was forcing men to live up to one of those gender roles and doing it with a straight face. :D

Jim S ๐Ÿšซ
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@trout

On May 15, 2019 US House candidate Pam Keith of Florida's 18th Congressional District, posted a tweet to her @PamKeithFL social media account. In it she says:

"Eighty-one percent of US boys are circumcised at birth. Why not do a reversible vasectomy at the same time? Then men can have the procedure reversed when they prove they want a child and can pay for it. No more unwanted pregnancies โ€“ No more abortions. No more freedom, but why be picky? (shrug)"

I wonder why she zeroes in on males. Why not suggest a reversible tubal litigation on all females? After all, they're the ones bearing the babies. Shouldn't they be the ones to opt in to fertility after their default is set to off?

btw, she got trounced by almost 15% in her bid to become a U.S. Representative.

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