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LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ
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When John and Marcie were good friends in middle school nobody seemed to care. When their relationship developed further in high school, their parents suddenly objected. Especially Marcie's father, but well, he's a violent idiot. John's mother Karen had objections to, not quite well defined objections at first. She's a manipulative bitch who has turned John's dad Peter into complete wimp by now. Eventually when pressured, they claim that John and Marcie are half-siblings, specifically Peter is Marcie's biological father too.

Thing is, Marcie's mother is dead and girl confess she believes her (step-?) father killed her mother specifically for her not being his daughter (of course she can't prove it). She kinda knew that long ago, but doesn't know is it true or who her father is if so.

However, Peter's life should have been interesting at some point, because John's aunt, Karen's younger sister Olivia also claims that her daughter, John's cousin Inez who's about the same age (and John finds her especially attractive too) is also Peter's daughter and John's half-sister. John does believe that and can accept.

The question is about John and Marcie. Are they in legal trouble if hook up like John's mother is trying to insist? I suppose they could do genetic testing in hopes to prove that Peter isn't Marcie's father, but can they even do that without Peter's collaboration? Then without that all there is are claims by people who wasn't actually involved in making Marcie.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@LupusDei

I saw an episode of a TV show last night (New Amsterdam) where a couple visits with the psychiatrist because they had falling in love and were to be married in 16 days. But they found out their mothers' used the same sperm donor so they were half brother/sister.

The psychiatrist said they could get married but never have biological children. That was new to me. I thought it was against the law in the U.S. for siblings to marry, even half-siblings.

Sorry, but I have no idea.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I thought it was against the law in the U.S. for siblings to marry, even half-siblings.

The exact laws on who is prohibited from marriage vary from state to state. Most (all as far as I know) prohibit sibling marriages, though I'm not sure if that would cover a case of half-siblings who don't even find out until they are adults. Most (but definitely not all) also prohibit marriages between first cousins.

A couple of states allow first cousin marriages without restriction. Wisconsin, the state where I live, will allow first cousins to marry if (and only if) one of the pair is medically certified to be sterile (for example, the woman is post menopausal).

Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

The psychiatrist said they could get married but never have biological children. That was new to me. I thought it was against the law in the U.S. for siblings to marry, even half-siblings.

I saw the episode. With anonymous sperm donors, and no mandatory DNA testing, there is no way the government would know they were half-siblings. So they could get married, even if it was illegal for them to do so, and unless they told someone, it's unlikely anyone could ever find out.

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@LupusDei

I would think some genetic testing would clarify matters, but other than that, I have no clue.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

This might or might not help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_incest_in_the_United_States

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LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Thanks.

Where it happen can have a difference indeed, some places more than others (and as of now I don't have slightest idea, lol, just likely on Earth), but generally it seems, half-blood is almost ubiquitously listed in those that care. As is wording "know to be," although I spotted only one stressed "knowingly" in that overview table. So it would be likely ruled incest indeed, if it could be proven that they're indeed half-blood siblings. They at the minimum have to deal with those persons willing to shout at them.

Incest is not between my main kinks, but this thing started with watching cousin in the shower and seemed not incestuous enough while I also wanted girlfriend with a problem and so I ended in this awkward tangle with might be interesting at that.

Well, on that note, I find this list from Columbia District weirdly inspirational:

marriage void if between man with his grandmother, grandfather's wife, wife's grandmother, father's sister, mother's sister, mother, stepmother, wife's mother, daughter, wife's daughter, son's wife, sister, son's daughter, daughter's daughter, son's son's wife, daughter's son's wife, wife's son's daughter, wife's daughter's daughter, brother's daughter, sister's daughter

I don't know was it the most thorough between similar, just the first, and the omissions in some may be interesting on their own right.

So, wife's sister who is also brother's wife is still a fair game, as it should be.

LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ

ltfightr21 wrote on 2020.02.29. 05:48:31 in another tread (nerds):

In all, or nearly all US states, if a married woman has a child, her husband is legally that child's father even if he wasn't the biological father.

That rule called the Lord Mansfield rule was changed in most US states in the 90 when dna became available the husband is now only the presumed father. Under the prior rule you could not rebut a child born in marriage but now you can.

So, assuming Marcie was born when her mother was already married to the man who terrorizes her, he's legally her father and the alleged incest is hearsay pending genetic testing if anyone's bothered?

Could work for me especially if I assume that law enforcement in general isn't at the top of their game where it all takes place.

Justin Case ๐Ÿšซ
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@LupusDei

Already done.

I remember reading it.

And the listed father on her Birth Certificate would be how they determine legality

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