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Why would you think she'd be harder to get to in a Catholic School than any other kind of private school?

In fact, I would think that a non-religious for profit private school that kind of specializes in educating the kids of politicians, diplomats and other VIPs (yes, school like that are out there) would have far better security.

The premise of a Yakuza princess is a shaky one to begin with.

Why? I presume the usage here is similar to mafia princess, which simply refers to the daughter of the leader of a mafia family/organization. So a Yakuza princess would be the daughter of a high ranking member of the Yakuza.

In context I would read it as the daughter of the top ranking member of the local Yakuza organization in the NY area.

Why? I presume the usage here is similar to mafia princess, which simply refers to the daughter of the leader of a mafia family/organization. So a Yakuza princess would be the daughter of a high ranking member of the Yakuza.

You should research it and figure it out for yourself.

You should research it and figure it out for yourself.

I don't see why the specific structure of the organization makes that much difference. The term does not imply the girl has any authority or is in some way in some kind of line of succession for the leadership.

I suspect that you are reading something into the usage of princess here than isn't intended.

I don't see why the specific structure of the organization makes that much difference. The term does not imply the girl has any authority or is in some way in some kind of line of succession for the leadership.

I suspect that you are reading something into the usage of princess here than isn't intended.

I can see your extreme level of ignorance regarding Japanese society and that of Yakuza in your post.

Let's start with the society that promoted the following;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rapeman

The series was celebrated in Japan by young and old alike. The premise of the series goes back in Japanese history several hundred years under various names. Rapeman under various names has been the proverbial bogeyman for young girls in Japan for centuries if not longer.

It wasn't until post WW2 that women had any rights to speak of. The only women that had any respect from men at all prior to WW2 were the Geisha.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/japanese-women-suffer-widespread-maternity-harassment-at-work

The general high level of misogyny in Japan continues to this day. While Japan may have progressed a lot in the last decades, they still are very much a male dominant society.

Then we get to the Yakuza; if the general populace is misogynistic, they are downright neanderthal about it. Women are property to be bought, sold, and traded. That is the only value women have to them.

Some may be educated for a specific purpose such as a public face, but they do what the men tell them to do. The idea of a Yakuza princess is simply laughable. They would have to first value a women in terms of emotions and intellect before that could happen, and if one of them did, he'd likely be killed off by his brethren for being weak minded.

Only someone totally ignorant of that society would try to inprint/export their western mindset on it.

If you can't figure it out from there, I got nothing else for you.

I can see your extreme level of ignorance regarding Japanese society and that of Yakuza in your post.

There are a few details I was unaware of, but no, I was not completely ignorant. I just don't consider in relevant or think it somehow validates your objection.

They would have to first value a women in terms of emotions and intellect before that could happen, and if one of them did, he'd likely be killed off by his brethren for being weak minded.

Do you imagine that back in medieval days, when the rule of the European monarchs (where the term princess originates) was absolute that they valued women in terms of emotions and intellect? No, they didn't, not one tiny bit more than the Japanese did/do?

The Italian Mafia in the US was also very misogynistic and male dominated.

The term Mafia Princess doesn't imply otherwise. It refers to a woman who is the daughter of a Mafia leader, nothing more, nothing less.

You are reading something into the word princess that just isn't there.

Do you imagine that back in medieval days, when the rule of the European monarchs (where the term princess originates) was absolute that they valued women in terms of emotions and intellect? No, they didn't, not one tiny bit more than the Japanese did/do?

The Italian Mafia in the US was also very misogynistic and male dominated.

The term Mafia Princess doesn't imply otherwise. It refers to a woman who is the daughter of a Mafia leader, nothing more, nothing less.

You are reading something into the word princess that just isn't there.

Misdirection and false equivalence. In short, bullshit.
This isn't about five hundred years ago, this is about the here and now.

Regarding the Italian Mafia, there is no equivalence. They may be misogynistic in their own way, but by comparison, they look like saints compared to Yakuza.

You don't have a clue what your talking about. Please go find a random rock an argue with it instead.

https://animefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Yakuza_Princess

Aparently the Japanese don't agree with your assessment that the notion of a Yakuza Princess is absurd.

Aparently the Japanese don't agree with your assessment that the notion of a Yakuza Princess is absurd.

As much as I hate to fall into Feminist theory traps, but in this particular case I do agree with them in part.

It seems to be a pretty typical thing to happen in strongly patriarchal societies that inherent double-standards come into play.

What's "good enough" for other people's daughters doesn't apply to their daughter; in fact debasing the daughters of their rivals/underlings helps "increase the value" of their daughter. So being "the boss," he is unlike those poor sods beneath him on the totem pole. He actually can do something to protect his daughter, and he does so. (And why the implication of potential very serious harm if someone does something "to soil her purity" as they just devalued all the effort to protect it)

Of course, that assume the Yakuza(or mafia in general) Boss holds any value to the concept of "my child" without respect to gender. And there's going to be a whole spectrum there.

But it's a safe bet that a Yakuza boss who doesn't place any value in regards to his daughter, isn't likely to place any value on any sons of his as well.

Which is where a lot of "Feminist theory" starts falling apart.

But it's a safe bet that a Yakuza boss who doesn't place any value in regards to his daughter, isn't likely to place any value on any sons of his as well.

Which is where a lot of "Feminist theory" starts falling apart.

"Feminist theory" has squat to do with it. You and Remus are missing what the value of a real princess is in a patriarchal monarchy. You are misconstruing what a princess is, likely based on the modern British royal family.

She doesn't have value as a person for her feelings, intelligence, or abilities. Outside of extremely rare circumstances she isn't in the line of succession and won't inherit a damn thing.

A princess is a valuable commodity, to be bartered off in marriage for political and/or strategic gain. To reward a top underling or to secure an alliance or treaty.

This isn't just a European thing. This applied (and in some cases still applies) in feudal societies around the globe, in the Mid East, in Asia, and In Japan in the days of the empire.

No matter how patriarchal or misogynistic Yazuka sub-culture is, this kind of tactical consideration of arranged marriages would still apply. In fact, the more patriarchal, the more misogynistic they are, the more this applies.

If a Yazuka boss doesn't have a son, or his sons aren't capable, marrying one of his daughters off to a top underling could secure that underling's position as heir to the top spot in the organization.

Or Perhaps he needs to secure an alliance with the boss of a rival organization. An arranged marriage between one of his daughters and one of the sons of the rival boss might help.

This sort of thing is not the least bit out of character for an extremely misogynistic culture.

She doesn't have value as a person for her feelings, intelligence, or abilities. Outside of extremely rare circumstances she isn't in the line of succession and won't inherit a damn thing.

I'm pretty sure I was hitting on that with the comment about

(And why the implication of potential very serious harm if someone does something "to soil her purity" as they just devalued all the effort to protect it)

As that one DOES cut in two very different directions. Either in the modern/European "princess" motif, or the old world "item to barter with" in which case, yes, she's a commodity.

But that "Yakuza Princess" even under the commodity view, would be getting protection, probably some degree of education(to demonstrate how sophisticated he is, of course), and probably a lot of time at a "finishing school" where she'd be taught her proper place and the importance of maintaining "proper appearances" and whatnot.

In either case, the Yakuza boss is either going to keep her under lock and key. Or they're going to try to keep them as far removed "from the business" as possible. As having her near "the roughs" is just asking for trouble.

'm pretty sure I was hitting on that with the comment about

(And why the implication of potential very serious harm if someone does something "to soil her purity" as they just devalued all the effort to protect it)

And this is the one spot where the cultural differences might come into play.

Would they value "purity", or would they prefer having her trained in the sexual arts ahead of time? I don't know the answer, and I doubt it could be found on-line.

Both ways could lead to interesting scenarios.

If we posit a Yakuza boss born in Japan but running the syndicate's US operations out of New York (to fit the OPs scenario) with a daughter born in the US or was just a baby when they came to the US who is a bit Americanized.

Being Americanized, she knows about sex at a theoretical lever, but is still a virgin.

On the "purity" side

She wants to have fun, so She goes looking for an older male to provide her with a practical education in sex.

He knows her father is a Yakuza boss and has to put a lot of effort into keeping her out of his pants.

He doesn't know about her father. Is she being watched closely enough by a covert security detail to stop things before they go too far? If not, how does daddy react when he finds out after? Boy will the guy be surprised when he finds out that age of consent and the cops are the least of his worries.

She knows what daddy does for a living. She threatens her security detail with telling daddy they molested her to blackmail them into having sex with her.

On the sexual training side:

She wants to have fun, so She goes looking for an older male to provide her with a practical education in sex. Unknown to her, the man she has picked out and targeted to get her sexual education is actually a plant put in place by her father to provide for her training in the sexual arts and to teach her what her place in the world is, training her to be submissive.

She wants to save herself for a marriage based on love. Daddy (and/or her (unknown to her) betrothed) wants her trained in the sexual arts. She is forcibly removed to a facility dedicated to providing such training.

In either case, the Yakuza boss is either going to keep her under lock and key. Or they're going to try to keep them as far removed "from the business" as possible.

Which is why I suggested up thread that a Catholic school is unlikely.

A high security boarding school that specializes in the kids of VIPs (Government officials, diplomats, the super rich, celebrities, crime lords) would be more likely.

https://animefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Yakuza_Princess

Aparently the Japanese don't agree with your assessment that the notion of a Yakuza Princess is absurd.

You do realize the nature of the site you're quoting...right??