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rebeck39 ๐Ÿšซ

I have the text but not the author's name

Zellus ๐Ÿšซ

@rebeck39

I've sendt the you the name in a PM.

Bishop ๐Ÿšซ

@rebeck39

He who cannot be named

Replies:   joyR  awnlee jawking
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Bishop

He who cannot be named

He can be named, otherwise a PM would be pointless. :)

Replies:   Dinsdale  awnlee jawking
Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

You remember that line from Blackadder?

BA: Life without Your Majesty is like a blunt pencil.
Queenie: ??
BA: Pointless.

Reverting to the actual topic, I thought he could be named but was kicked off the site years ago. His content is elsewhere and only accessible if you pay for it.

Replies:   Sparky-1953  joyR
Sparky-1953 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dinsdale

Not only that but he published it under a few different pen names.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Sparky-1953

Not only that but he published it under a few different pen names.

I don know/have the story but I know of at least 4 different pen names he used.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Dinsdale

Reverting to the actual topic

My that is a brave and uncommon suggestion...

:)

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

If you ask for names you might get four names but would you get forenames?

AJ

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

If you ask for names you might get four names but would you get forenames?

Forenames forthcoming, fear false friends furnishing faux names.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

If you ask for names you might get four names but would you get forenames?

Forenames forthcoming, fear false friends furnishing faux names.

Foul fowl fake fornication Friday.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Bishop

He who cannot be named

Macbeth!

AJ

Replies:   marney  Pixy
marney ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

AAHHHH! Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends!

Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

If you can name He Who Cannot Be named as He Who Cannot Be named, then he is and has been named and therefore no longer fitting of the moniker, as he has been named with a name.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Pixy

Can't 'He Who Cannot Be Named' have two interpretations? The first is a physical impediment to saying the name, which is not true in this case. The second is a moral impediment, because naming the person brings a curse upon the speaker.

AJ

Replies:   Pixy
Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Possibly, but it still doesn't deal with the initial paradox, that any sound modulation that more than one person can attribute to an individual- or object- is by definition, a name.

So by saying "The person who can't be named", if anyone else understands who you are talking about, you have effectively named them, when you have said they can't be... That would, of course, lead to a space and time continuum confluence of paradoxical contractual expansionism.

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Pixy

BUT

The person who "cannot be named" CAN be named, in fact his name is widely known but not spoken. So claiming the person cannot be named isn't true. Thus the paradox ceases to exist.

It would be correct to state that the person should not be named, or perhaps must not be named.

If it were true that the person cannot be named, then there is still no paradox because it is impossible to name the person, therefore naming him "he who cannot be named is either impossible, or if possible, proves he can be named.

The problem is caused by the author using the wrong words, cannot should have been should not, must not etc. A similar error was made when describing another character as "the boy who lived". Which implies that all other boys died, which was not the case.

Replies:   Pixy
Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Not at all, for that would be a meaningless contradiction. And again we cycle back to the cannot and human error. In a binary sense, would it not be a syntax error? One in which the program, life, would cease to function.

What exists is a user error rather than a function error.

Computer says no.

;)

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ
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@Pixy

One in which the program, life, would cease to function.

What exists is a user error rather than a function error.

Computer says no.

A computer can only 'say' what the programming has preordained. Which means the validity of the answer is dependant upon the programmer, not the computer.

For a computer generated answer to be valid it would have to be the result of a true AI.

We have already seen the results of a human created Artificial Intelligence, just take a look at the growing number of people taught to be incapable of thinking for themselves. They ARE the personification of artificial intelligence.

So the computer actually says what it is told to say.

:)

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

A computer can only 'say' what the programming has preordained.

While technically true, we are reaching the stage at which the programming is so complex, together with any live data it has accumulated, that the computer's actions cannot be predicted from the source code.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son  joyR
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

And it's not a matter of the results being functionally unpredictable, even assuming sufficient knowledge of the data and code, but that the code is so extensive and complex and the data so extensive and complex that no one person can have sufficient knowledge to make accurate predictions.

Replies:   helmut_meukel
helmut_meukel ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

And it's not a matter of the results being functionally unpredictable, even assuming sufficient knowledge of the data and code, but that the code is so extensive and complex and the data so extensive and complex that no one person can have sufficient knowledge to make accurate predictions.

Therefore no-one can say if the results are accurate or totally bogus or something in between.

HM.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@helmut_meukel

Correct.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Predictability isn't in and of itself a measure of anything but complexity.

For a computer to obtain raw data and draw its own conclusions it has to be at least as close to sentient as makes no difference. But that is not enough, it has to be free from all constraints and or reprisals as well.

Why? Because it is likely that if we ask it questions about our future we won't want to accept the answers.

phantom2041 ๐Ÿšซ

@Pixy

If you can name He Who Cannot Be named as He Who Cannot Be named, then he is and has been named and therefore no longer fitting of the moniker, as he has been named with a name.

Aww but would he still be a Sir? or just some known Dragon ?

DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@rebeck39

OK, now I have to know the author's name. Can someone send it to me?

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

Can someone send it to me?

Wrong question. Those who know can send it to you, they all have access to the PM facility. The question is, will they?

:)

rustyken ๐Ÿšซ

@rebeck39

The information you seek can be found using DuckDuckGo search. Google will likely work as well.

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@rebeck39

Perhaps the name of this paradox is Perry Docks. If you have two docks is that a pair of docks? Lots of people wear a pair of socks. Two medical men with doctorates are a pair of docs. If a paradox is from California is it paradoxical?

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

If you have two docks is that a pair of docks?

I have two docks growing in my garden: Rumex hibernicus, the Irish Dock, and Rumex crispus ssp littoreus, the Shore Dock.

AJ

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I have two docks growing in my garden:

Wrong type of docks.

The correct description is a harbour used by those descending from the air whilst suspended from a canopy.

A paradocks.

:)

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

If you shoot at it you have a para shoot.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

If you have two docks is that a pair of docks?

If you have a pair of ducks, you're probably an England batsman in an Ashes test.

AJ

Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@rebeck39

What was the question again....

Replies:   Bishop
Bishop ๐Ÿšซ

@Pixy

I have no clue. I think we went off on a tangent somewhere.

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