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Northman ๐Ÿšซ

What is it with the number of author's here who clearly harbour fantasies of mom-and-son? I wonder if anybody would like to comment why this is prevalent? I loved my own mother, but personally can't imagine anything more grotesque and character-destroying than having sex with her in any shape or form. Each to his own, I do not wish to offend: underage girls are my thing, very underage at times (fantasy only I hasten to add), and I accept this is repulsive to many too. All I can say is we're a motley crew, and human sexuality is a deep pit (but it can be lofty height as well!).

John Demille ๐Ÿšซ

@Northman

Not everybody who writes incest is into actual incest.

I wrote mother/son stories. I wrote a lot of brother/sister stories.

I've never ever wanted to have sex with my own real life mother, nor my own sister. One time after reading a couple of my stories, my wife tried to role play as my sister; I've never lost an erection so fast in my life.

To me the stories are simply writing about a taboo thing for the fun of it, nothing more.

My thoughts at the time of writing is like 'this character is into his mother, that is kinky', and it's not me imagining myself with my own mother. My biggest inspiration of brother sister stories isn't my own life with my sister, but a friend of mine who when we were around 15 claimed that he was doing things with his sister. He never claimed to actually having sex with his sister, but 'doing things' which later on in life when I grew up I understood that it was nothing more than wishful bullshit on his part. I was fascinated and found it a subject worth writing about.

As for young girls, sorry, I don't understand that one.

My ideal fantasy girls are all between 17 and 23; especially ones with big tits and wide hips. My fetish is a wide gap between the thighs caused by unusually wide hips, especially a girl who isn't skinny. And no, my mother and my sister don't have thigh gaps, but growing up, the neighbours' gorgeous daughter had a wide gap and big tits and I found the form fascinating during my puberty, and looked for it ever since.

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solreader50 ๐Ÿšซ

@John Demille

My ideal fantasy girls are all between 17 and 23;

Try reading The Next One by Just Plain Bob and see if he can't convince you that a middle-aged hottie is much more sexy than a young bimbo.

Eddie Davidson ๐Ÿšซ
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@Northman

Just because a horror author writes about Freddy Kreuger doesn't mean he wants to run around in the woods with a machete.

The taboo nature of the incest situation is titillating but it should never be assumed that any author writes because they do the things they write about.

Except maybe Stephen King. He is creepy AF. He probably does drive a devil car to his haunted house where he brings dead cats back to life.

But other than that, no - don't judge us. :)

Replies:   Dominions Son  Radagast
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

Just because a horror author writes about Freddy Kreuger doesn't mean he wants to run around in the woods with a machete.

You are thinking of Jason. Freddy Kreuger invaded peoples dreams and had a glove with knives for fingers.

Radagast ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

In the acknowledgments of his 2003 novel Conquistador, S.M. Stirling wrote:

And a special acknowledgment to the author of Niven's Law: "There is a technical, literary term for those who mistake the opinions and beliefs of characters in a novel for those of the author. The term is 'idiot.'"

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itsmehonest ๐Ÿšซ
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@Radagast

{Niven's Law: "There is a technical, literary term for those who mistake the opinions and beliefs of characters in a novel for those of the author. The term is 'idiot.'"}

Can we get this posted on the home page or as a notification banner

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@itsmehonest

Considering the numbers of actors/actresses who do actually seem to have characteristics in common with the protagonists they've portrayed,I would be surprised if the literary world were vastly different. I wonder how much research Niven (one of my favourite SF authors) did to justify his assertion.

AJ

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Radagast ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Niven's heroes tended to be individualistic & libertarian. If you look into his background he is a hereditary member of the Proto-ARM, so it appears to be true for him.
Cordwainer Smith was a hereditary member of the foreign service, his Godfather was Sun Yat-sen. The man who wrote Psychological Warfare also wrote the Ballard of Lost C'mel, about the Underpeople seeking freedom.

Jerry Pournelle was an active communist, at least for a while. His Empire of Man series is militaristic and pro-monarchy.

Nick Bourgas was associated with the Church of Satan, producing films for them. Their public doctrine states that racism is unacceptable. Bourgas was also known under the pen name A Wyatt Man, producing racist cartoons.

I knew of a couple of commentators for Murdoch who were hard lefties but wrote hard right stories for his market.

As for Hollyweird, the public image of actors and actresses is as carefully collated as the public image of the actors we get to vote for in Congress and Parliaments. Rock Hudson was a ladies man until he died of AIDS. Bearding contracts are a thing, its obvious from the women in Hollywood who rotate through a list of actors and top level athletes on a 12 or 24 month cycle. When tens of millions in endorsement contracts ride on being seen as a straight male, paying a woman to be your public companion, dote on you, then read a book while your boyfriend is visiting, makes financial sense.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Radagast

As for Hollyweird, the public image of actors and actresses is as carefully collated as the public image of the actors we get to vote for in Congress and Parliaments.

I think it's more than that. Auditions will naturally favour actors and actresses who have characteristic matches to the role they're auditioning for.

Authors similarly tend towards writing what they know. It might be in a completely different universe etc but, to make their protagonists come across as real, the authors have to be have some familiarity with those characteristics.

AJ

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Auditions will naturally favour actors and actresses who have characteristic matches to the role they're auditioning for.

Really?

Isn't it more likely that auditions will favour actors who can ACT the part they are auditing for? It is after all called acting.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Isn't it more likely that auditions will favour actors who can ACT the part they are auditing for? It is after all called acting.

There's also a thing called type casting.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ
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@joyR

Isn't it more likely that auditions will favour actors who can ACT the part they are auditing for? It is after all called acting.

What did you think I meant by characteristic? I didn't only mean physical characteristics (or Thomas Mapother III could never have played the part of Jack Reacher), but behavioural characteristics too. Method acting is a lot easier if you're already living the method. ;-)

AJ

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

What did you think I meant by characteristic?

Umm, actually I thought you meant characteristic.

Method acting is a lot easier if you're already living the method.

If you are cast to play an alcoholic drug addict homosexual and you actually ARE an alcoholic drug addict homosexual, you are not acting at all. You are especially NOT method acting.

Method would be for a tea total drug free straight actor to begin drinking, taking drugs and bedding other guys so as to fully inhabiting the role of the character.

Whilst method acting is is an emotion-oriented technique, there are numerous method actors who go to physical extremes preparing for a role. Everything from getting multiple piercings to serious weight loss or gain, etc.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

If you are cast to play an alcoholic drug addict homosexual and you actually ARE an alcoholic drug addict homosexual, you are not acting at all. You are especially NOT method acting.

Apologies. Smiley added to my post.

AJ

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joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

YOU never need to apologise.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

That made me wonder.

Do trans men know what they've done wrong or, like biological men, do they hope a non-specific apology (with or without flowers and chocolates) will work? ;-)

AJ

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joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

That made me wonder.

Why ask me? My chromosomes match.

JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Do trans men know what they've done wrong or, like biological men,

I get really confused on all this, but I thought "trans men" really are "biological men" -- xy chromosomes, male genitalia, all the effects on size, msuculature, bone density, etc. that males get during puberty. The just "believe" they are women. Have I got that wrong?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@JoeBobMack

You have that wrong, backwards to be precise. What you describe, a biological male that believes they are a woman is a "trans woman", a "trans man" is a biological woman who believes they are a man.

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JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

You have that wrong, backwards to be precise.

Oops. Yeah. You're right. See? VERY confusing.

AmigaClone ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I think the point Niven was trying to make is about readers who assume they know the the opinions and beliefs of an author based only on the opinions and beliefs of characters the author created for a novel without any evidence outside that novel.

In other words, just because an author has a main character who states they believe that individuals from a certain neighborhood should feel privileged to be slaves in all but name to a certain 'elite' group does not automatically mean that the author shares that opinion.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@AmigaClone

In other words, just because an author has a main character who states they believe that individuals from a certain neighborhood should feel privileged to be slaves in all but name to a certain 'elite' group does not automatically mean that the author shares that opinion.

While I agree, I also think that characters who expound principles that the author personally holds are more likely to come across as realistic than characters who expound principles the author disagrees with. I'm sure it's not an absolute either way: authors can 'borrow' opinions from lots of sources.

AJ

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richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

slaves in all but name

Welcome to the Army, draftee.

Northman ๐Ÿšซ
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@Northman

Consensus seems to be that the writing of it does not mean the condoning of it or actually wanting to do it, it's just harmless titillation eh, and that one is an idiot for conflating the writer with his material. So why does that not apply in the sightest to the writing of pedo fiction? One word answer is 'hypocrisy'. Two-word answer is 'witch hunt'. Is it worth any expounding on that?
As for mother-son, sorry- don't understand that one, either in real or fantasy.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Northman

What is it with the number of author's here who clearly harbour fantasies of mom-and-son? I wonder if anybody would like to comment why this is prevalent?

Because while few act on them, such fantasies are far more common in society in general than you would like to believe?

Sarkasmus ๐Ÿšซ
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@Northman

I wonder if anybody would like to comment why this is prevalent?

We actually talked about this in my psychology class, when the whole incest-theme became popular with the first season of GoT (back in 2011).

And yes, I wrote "popular" because this is nothing new. I'm old enough to remember getting porn from Video-Stores, and if you checked the 'most rented' lists, there was ALWAYS something along the lines of "With my sister in the Barn - Part II" on those lists.

There are no real studies exploring this (at least I don't know about about any), but the consensus we reached back in class was twofold:

First, the most effective safeguard against incest in humans is the hypothesized Westemarck effect. Basically, it's the same reason marriages grow stagnant over time. The more time you spend with someone, the more intimately familiar you become, and the less interested you are to be intimate with them.

So, if you grow up in a loving and tight-knit family, you will most likely not have any interst in any of them. But people who were sent to boarding-schools, had emotionally distant parents/siblings or never reached intimate familiarity with them for any other reason, simply lack that "safeguard" and are more likely to fantasize about something like that. It also doesn't help that more and more parents simply leave sex-ed to the schools and desperately try to keep anything sexual from their kids.

The other big factor could simply be: It's a taboo.

Since all kinds of kinky porn become freely available through the internet, people tend to look for new stuff. Watching the 30th missionary-video in a row becomes simply boring. And this is still one of the least provided kinks... unless you count all the stepcest-videos. The people producing this stuff don't actually fantasize about their own family-members, but simply like the idea of SOMEONE doing it with family.

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PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@Sarkasmus

We actually talked about this in my psychology class, when the whole incest-theme became popular with the first season of GoT (back in 2011).

What's GoT?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@PotomacBob

Game of Thrones.

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Northman

What is it with the number of author's here who clearly harbour fantasies of mom-and-son?

I've no idea why some like to read and or write such things.
Then again, I also don't understand the attraction some have for defecation on a partner, much less being the recipient. That too is a subject found here.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ
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@Remus2

defecation

2,4,6,8; some people need to defecate.

Your a nation is more popular, however. The GO Pee is somewhat more popular than the Demo craps. Though this tends to change from election to election.

Darian Wolfe ๐Ÿšซ
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@Northman

I loved my mother and she was sexually unappealing to me. By that I meant in looks, personality, ect. Even if we were unrelated, I would be like, ah no.

I was for most of my teenage years and most of my dating life fascinated by older women. By older, I mean when I was 13 I was chasing women in their mid twenties to early thirties. Not that I caught any, but I damn sure tried my best.

So mother/son as older woman/younger man is an excellent vehicle to explore that dynamic in. Not only does it fit the basic structure, it is also taboo which is fun. Also, there is a built in level of familiarity and intimacy.

Plus, it is much easier to build a pressure cooker of emotion when you throw characters into the deep end of a taboo relationship.

So that's why I'm willing to do it.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Northman

'Issue' can mean a child or children so we're all mother issues, apart from those created in a top secret laboratory.

AJ

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@Northman

issues

Is sues?

Tissues? If your ex was clean, did she use Kleen ex Tissues?

Some children have Fathers, and Father Issues. (We're NOT all mother issues).

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

Is sues

Dog bless you.

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