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Diversity of opinion.

Uther_Pendragon

I'm used to people having different opinions of my stories -- of any stories. I've set a personal record, however, with "Exclusivity." I wonder if it's a site record.
Of 55 voters, nobody thought it was "pretty bad." Every other category got at least one vote. 9 people thought it was "great"; 8 checked "you call that a story?"

As z matter of fact, I don't. "Vignette has aa slightly-askew meaning on the site list, and I have another idiosicratic meaning myself. To me, a story involves some change in the main character or characters. A vignette merely reveals where he/she/they are at a particular time.

robberhands

@Uther_Pendragon

Vignette has aa slightly-askew meaning on the site list, and I have another idiosicratic meaning myself.

Careful with the 100$ words. It's 'idiosyncratic'.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Uther_Pendragon

I wonder if it's a site record.


One of mine got the complete range in 23 votes. Nobody that I'm aware of has claimed a lower number, but I suppose it takes an unusual type of nerdiness to even monitor for such phenomena ;)

AJ

awnlee jawking

@robberhands

Not to be confused with 'idiocycratic' - bureaucracy by idiots ;)

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
robberhands

@awnlee jawking

One of mine got the complete range in 23 votes. Nobody that I'm aware of has claimed a lower number ...

However, Uther_Pendragon's 'Exclusivity' is a hundred words vignette. You're more verbose, so I bet your story granting your immortal fame was much longer.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
Keet

@Uther_Pendragon

That's the problem with such a short story: a reader has finished it before he or she can abandon the story and thus does not reach the voting page. Any dislike will surely get a low vote.

Dominions Son

@awnlee jawking

bureaucracy by idiots


That's redundant.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Dominions Son

That's redundant.


There's a better word (ie $100) than 'redundant', albeit with a similar meaning, but despite wracking my brain I couldn't remember it. I expect it will come to me eventually :(

Replies:   madnige
awnlee jawking

@robberhands

I bet your story granting your immortal fame was much longer.


Wrong you are not. 899 words.

AJ

Uther_Pendragon

@awnlee jawking

Yeah, but did were the top 2 categories 1 and 9?

Another $100 (or, at least, $99.50) word is "bimodal." when I was in HS, we called it the "Brassiere curve."

Jim S

@Uther_Pendragon

Another $100 (or, at least, $99.50) word is "bimodal." when I was in HS, we called it the "Brassiere curve."

That gets real interesting when the modes are different sizes.....

madnige

@awnlee jawking

There's a better word than 'redundant'


Could it be 'tautological'?

Dominions Son
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@madnige


@awnlee jawking

There's a better word than 'redundant'



Could it be 'tautological'?


Tautological would not mean the same thing as redundant.

On second thought after looking it up, maybe, if you mean tautological in the rhetorical sense rather than the logical sense.

I am more familiar with the use of tautology/tautological the way is is used in formal logic which is very distinct from a redundant statement.

A tautology in formal logic is a statement that is true regardless of the truth or falseness of the individual component clauses.

A or not A

I am a man or I am not a man.

awnlee jawking
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@Uther_Pendragon

Yeah, but did were the top 2 categories 1 and 9?


My double bad :(

All categories from 1 to 10 had been awarded at least one vote. I can't remember exact specifics, but I think 1 was the most awarded vote and 10 was jointly the least awarded.

I had another story where voting was highly polarised to start with, 1s and 10s being the most frequently awarded scores. But over time, more voters awarded intermediate scores, ruining the upside-down bell curve.

AJ

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
awnlee jawking

@madnige

I was thinking of tautology, but close enough.

Tarnation that you managed to post it first ;)

AJ

Crumbly Writer

@Uther_Pendragon

Another $100 (or, at least, $99.50) word is "bimodal." when I was in HS, we called it the "Brassiere curve."

Isn't "bimodal" when children finally learn to walk upright?

Replies:   Wheezer
Crumbly Writer

@awnlee jawking

All categories from 1 to 9 had been awarded at least one vote. I can't remember exact specifics, but I think 1 was the most awarded vote and 9 was jointly the least awarded.

That's why I don't chastise readers who always vote 10s for the stories (and authors) that they love. It's better having a pile of 10s than scores you can't make sense of.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
Wheezer

@Crumbly Writer

Isn't "bimodal" when children finally learn to walk upright?

You've been spending entirely too much time hanging around with the grinning dick.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@Wheezer

the grinning dick

Richard, please, not Dick. I live in a Senior Housing Assistance Group apartment, and I grin.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
awnlee jawking

@Crumbly Writer

That's why I don't chastise readers who always vote 10s for the stories (and authors) that they love.


I think readers who automatically vote 10s for their favourite authors are wrecking the scoring system.

For example, in my opinion 'City Limits' by wayzgoose is the best thing aroslav has written since 'Model Student', yet the score is meh compared to the self-indulgent Strange Art and Props Master series. The reason is almost certainly because most readers don't realise wayzgoose and aroslav are one and the same, despite his blogs on the subject.

AJ

Replies:   robberhands
robberhands

@awnlee jawking

You'll have to tell me what you believe to be the purpose of the 'scoring system' that leads to your opinion.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
StarFleet Carl

@richardshagrin

Senior Housing Assistance Group


Does that make you the Shag Dick, Richard?

awnlee jawking

@robberhands

I believe the purpose of the scoring system is to assess stories. But as cmsix used to say, it's more of a beauty contest for authors. A so-so story churned out by an author with a large following will get a higher score than a good story by an author nobody's heard of before.

Score the story, not the author!

AJ

AmigaClone

@awnlee jawking

While I am more likely to score a story by one of my favorite authors as opposed to abandoning it midway, I try to be fairly consistent.

If anything, I hold some of my favorite authors to a higher standard and one of their stories might get a 7 while if they had posted the same story under another pseudonym it might have gotten a 8. On the other hand in that type of situation if the story was bad enough that I might give that known author a 5, the same story by an unknown author might have been abandoned without a score.

robberhands

@awnlee jawking

A so-so story churned out by an author with a large following will get a higher score than a good story by an author nobody's heard of before.

Score the story, not the author!

I don't object your assumption, but to garner a loyal and positively biased following, an author first had to deliver some well-received stories. So I don't begrudge them their advantage; they earned it, and they'll lose it again when their new stories fail to live up to their readers high expectations.

Crumbly Writer

@awnlee jawking

I believe the purpose of the scoring system is to assess stories. But as cmsix used to say, it's more of a beauty contest for authors. A so-so story churned out by an author with a large following will get a higher score than a good story by an author nobody's heard of before.

Score the story, not the author!

That's true, to a certain degree, but I've noted that SOL readers tend to be especially forgiving of new authors, while they expect experienced authors to not only 'know better', but they often rate them on how close their current stories stick to their past stories (i.e. they're punished for the sheer innovation they reward new authors for showing).

As for voting 10s, if you don't reward your favorite authors with you top scores, then why follow them at all? Voting 10 for your favorite stories isn't the same as only voting 10 for any story you finish, it's simply saying 'this story appeals to me in a way other stories simply don't'.

helmut_meukel

@awnlee jawking

A so-so story churned out by an author with a large following will get a higher score than a good story by an author nobody's heard of before.

Score the story, not the author!


IIRC, Erle Stanley Gardner was told by fellow writers even mediocre stories with his name will become bestsellers, while superb stories of unknown authors won't become bestsellers. So he proved the contrary by using a new pen name (A.A. Fair) and writing PI stories.

HM.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@helmut_meukel

So he proved the contrary


I've never heard of A.A. Fair. Does that mean the stories under that name were superb?

AJ

richardshagrin

@awnlee jawking

A.A. Fair. Does that mean the stories under that name were superb?

Fair is an intermediate step between bad and good. AA suggests (to me) Alcoholics Anonymous. Sounds like an average story by a recovering alcoholic.

PotomacBob

@awnlee jawking

I was a fan of both Erle Stanley Gardner (Perry Mason books) and those he wrote under the name A.A. Fair (private investigator stories).
I have hard copy versions of all of them.

helmut_meukel

@awnlee jawking

I've never heard of A.A. Fair.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_and_Lam

As a student I tried to get all Cool and Lam stories as paperbacks but I have only ten (all german translations).

HM.

lorrainedalby_1

To the OP personally I give a good 7 to any story I can finish,if it talks? To me a higher score.If it is crap I don't score it,lets face it most people can't write to save themselves,so unless I can offer constructive criticism,I don't give a low score.Trolls are trolls,just cannot make some people happy.
Cheers.

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