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High Fantasy?

red61544

What does the code "High Fantasy" mean? To me, it would mean any story that has a fourteen year old boy having sex with six different females of varying vintages. But when I see a story like that (and there are a lot of them), it's not even listed as fantasy! I've taught fourteen year old boys. Most of them are as dumb as a fire hydrant. They giggle when they see a visible bra strap and most get red in the face and stammer if a girl says hello to them. So, should those stories be marked as "High Fantasy"? Actually, Harry Potter is much less fantasy than most of them.

Replies:   robberhands
robberhands

@red61544

Your adoring perception of our male youth aside, this is the SoL definition of High Fantasy:

High Fantasy, sword and sorcery and such

richardshagrin

You mean the main character doesn't have to be on drugs?

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red61544

@richardshagrin

You mean the main character doesn't have to be on drugs?


No, but it helps if the reader is.

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robberhands

@red61544

No, but it helps if the reader is.

Sorry, I wasn't certain if your post was meant as veiled complaint about particular stories on SoL or a serious question. That's why my comment was rather pragmatic. You answered that question now.

Replies:   red61544
red61544

@robberhands

veiled complaint... or a serious question.

Sort of both! I've said on here before that I prefer stories that have some basis in reality. Probably, there is a fourteen year old boy somewhere on earth that is getting it on with several different girls and they all know about it and accept it. But, if they exist, they are a lot different than any fourteen year old with whom I've dealt.

Dominions Son

@red61544

Probably, there is a fourteen year old boy somewhere on earth that is getting it on with several different girls and they all know about it and accept it.


That's just plain ordinary fantasy. High Fantasy is Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, Dungeons & Dragons and the like.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
robberhands

@red61544

But, if they exist, they are a lot different than any fourteen year old with whom I've dealt.

Well, perhaps many men have those memories and that's why they like to fantasize about how nice it would have been if it had been different.

Crumbly Writer

@Dominions Son

That's just plain ordinary fantasy. High Fantasy is Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, Dungeons & Dragons and the like.

That's also the fantasy of most 14-year olds, one they actually spend much more time engaging in (rather than the more unrealistic one of juggling multiple girls at once).

That's why I've always preferred stories that specifically deal with the 'awkward situations', rather than simply skimming over them. I'd rather know WHY and how such a situation might occur, rather than just delving into another unrealistic fantasy.

In that way, it's much like incest stories. I have NO desire to make love with either my mother or my sister, but I enjoy stories that explore how people might stumble into such a forbidden situation, knowing how difficult it would be going in to it.

But then, any fantasy is better when you're high (it makes the suspension of disbelieve incredibly easy to pull off!)

BlacKnight

Then there's always Tom Frost's "Too Much Love", where the protagonist plays D&D with the multiple girls.

(There's probably more of that going on in gaming groups than you might suspect. There's, IME, a lot of overlap between gaming, SF/F, SCA/Rennie/LARP, and poly social circles.)

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Crumbly Writer

@BlacKnight

Then there's always Tom Frost's "Too Much Love", where the protagonist plays D&D with the multiple girls.

(There's probably more of that going on in gaming groups than you might suspect. There's, IME, a lot of overlap between gaming, SF/F, SCA/Rennie/LARP, and poly social circles.)

The idea is dated, especially since women, as a whole, NEVER played D&D! Nowadays, they turn to "Furries", where males and females dress up as various animals and attend conventions where they can 'zip out' various parts of their anatomies to have sex with each other while staying in character!

StarFleet Carl

@Crumbly Writer

The idea is dated, especially since women, as a whole, NEVER played D&D!


My regular group of players from college was six guys and three girls. TECHNICALLY you're right - we weren't playing D&D. We were playing AD&D. This was from 1980 - 1985.

BlacKnight

@Crumbly Writer

The idea is dated, especially since women, as a whole, NEVER played D&D! Nowadays, they turn to "Furries", where males and females dress up as various animals and attend conventions where they can 'zip out' various parts of their anatomies to have sex with each other while staying in character!

This is 100% pure bullshit.

For starters, playing D&D doesn't put you in the nerd ghetto like it used to. It's practically mainstream these days. Seriously, The Rock plays D&D.

Furries, on the other hand, are in the nerd ghetto of the nerd ghetto. Especially the ones who fuck in fursuits, whom even the more mainstream furries think are kind of out there. There are way, way more D&D players than furries like that.

There are way more girl D&D players than furries like that, too. Guys have always been the majority in the hobby, but there are a lot more girls in gaming than there used to be (for which I largely credit Anne Rice and Vampire: The Masquerade for bringing in a healthy infusion of hot goth girls). But even back in the day, the situation was nowhere near as bad as the stereotypes would lead you to believe.

Almost every group I've played in - and I've been gaming since the Moldvay red book back in '82 or so - has had at least one girl in it. I played in an AD&D 2E campaign in high school in the '90s where I was the token guy in an otherwise all-girl group. (Though, sadly, I was only banging one of them.) My girlfriend was the DM; the other players were mostly the various girlfriends of the guys in the game I was running at the time (which my girlfriend also played in).

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red61544

@BlacKnight

For starters, playing D&D doesn't put you in the nerd ghetto like it used to.


Yes it does. The nerd ghetto is just a lot bigger than it used to be. Blame parents who have allowed their kids to sit in the house playing videos games for six or more hours a day. That's the spawning grounds for the next generation of nerddom! To say "We're not as nerdy as the furries" is to condemn with very faint praise. No matter how "mainstream" it may become, a nerd by any other name....

medic975

I suggested the tag years ago and it was accepted much to my appreciation. At least I believe that's the way it came about.

Suggested it as authors were using the fantasy tag to describe just about any fantasy rather than Tolkienesque offerings. Some authors still use it erroneously but it has definitely helped when trying to narrow down category searches.

richardshagrin

"Nerd" is related to Adrenalin by being an opposite. "dren" is right after the A.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@richardshagrin

"Nerd" is related to Adrenalin by being an opposite. "dren" is right after the A.

That's cause 'nerds' are generally the antithesis of adrenaline (sitting around in quiet corners, studying tech or researching details most simply don't care about). It's more the absence of adrenaline boosts, replacing it with pure reason.

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