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Runaway Train (Jay Cantrell)

hambarca12 ๐Ÿšซ

I decided to re-read Run Away Train, I am 15 chapters in and am once again enjoying the story.

But one aspect of the story confuses me. There is a big emphasis on making sure a final concert sells out in Dallas. This is supposed to help with negotiation with her label. But its already been outlined that she has already decided not to go back to her existing label, she is going with an independent label, and Liz will be taking most marketing and management activities in house.

So if no negotiation is going to happen - why does selling out Dallas really matter? [And yes I understand the good guys wanting to stop her public from learning about a bad thing she did in her past, but still not sure why selling out the concert matters.]

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@hambarca12

So if no negotiation is going to happen - why does selling out Dallas really matter?

I would think being able to sell out a concert venue would help negotiations with the new label.

Just because she's decided to change labels doesn't mean she has a deal already worked out with the new label.

Replies:   Kidder74
Kidder74 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

It was mentioned that the deal with the new label was also secretive and not yet known to her current label, since the current label had a period of exclusivity at the end of her contract to woo her to stay. She didn't want to risk violating her current contract and being penalized for it.

Part of the Dallas concert issue was that, if she couldn't pull off a sold out show after making such a big deal about it, it would allow them to come in with a lower offer, especially if the rumors her manager was trying to leak caused her issues where other labels wouldn't want to touch her.

sunseeker ๐Ÿšซ

@hambarca12

So if no negotiation is going to happen - why does selling out Dallas really matter?

EGO and her reputation! And 1 last parting shot at her manager (can't remember his name) and the soon-to-be old label...

SunSeeker

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@sunseeker

The label was intentionally sabotaging the show in Dallas as part of their implied threat to destroy her career if she didn't sign the new deal. Then they sued her.

Replies:   hambarca12
hambarca12 ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

Yeah - I totally get the fact that they had to try to defend her reputation. That information if released would have been devastating. I just think the Dallas concert thing is a bit of a Trojan horse. If you do a 50 concert tour, and sell out all but one, I'm not sure thats a big blow.

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DBActive ๐Ÿšซ
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@hambarca12

This show was in a big stadium where even 50,000 in attendence would look like a flop. That's bad for the brand (Liz's brand,) lowers the prices on future events or requires them to shift to smaller venues. It can be devastating.

An example of the lengths taken to avoid it was Ed Sheeran's tour last year. At our local football stadium the intital prices for low level seats were $250+. In a couple of months, his people were running promotions selling those seats at $125 for 2. Upper level seat promotions were even cheaper.

They had to take a financial bath on the concert, but it filled the stadium.

You have to remember the in the streaming age the only way that 99% of the name artists can make any money is through concerts. It's 100% of the people who don't have songwriter credit.

llong58 ๐Ÿšซ

@hambarca12

I think these are all good points. Dallas would not have affected the Raveland negotiations much, but they would have affected the overall brand appeal going forward.

Also, given the contract situation, this was going to be Liz's last concert for almost two years (even without the subsequent events). So the narrative around the Big Finale would color the public perception of the overall tour.

llong58 ๐Ÿšซ

@hambarca12

Up front - I apologize if I am breaching Forum etiquette by hijacking this thread.

Without more Jay Cantrell stories, I am re-reading the existing stories... a lot. So I have noticed a continuity issue.

All fiction takes place in an alternate universe, but unless time and space are different, Runaway Train clearly takes place in 2011. However, it is not clear how much time has passed between this story and A Flawed Diamond. We know that Raveland is already established enough to sign on talent, and Liz will not be the first one. Sam Miller has been born. Randy is 21 and has a boyfriend. On the other hand, the baseball references imply that the Dodgers World Series run was more than a couple years ago.

I have no problem if the Author just lost track, but I was wondering if I missed something or if someone out there has an explanation for the apparent inconsistencies.

Replies:   hambarca12  MarissaHorne
hambarca12 ๐Ÿšซ

@llong58

Funny - I havent paid enough attention to the timeline I guess. Now you have to add in "Learning Curves" then you would have a 3 dimensional analysis.

Replies:   llong58
llong58 ๐Ÿšซ

@hambarca12

In my multi-dimensional analysis, I put the start of Learning Curves in 2009. I think of the set as the "Randi Raver Universe", since I essentially use her as the time anchor to place the various stories.

I refuse to attempt to shoehorn Unending Night and Unforgettable Weeks into the mix.

MarissaHorne ๐Ÿšซ

@llong58

All fiction takes place in an alternate universe, but unless time and space are different, Runaway Train clearly takes place in 2011. However, it is not clear how much time has passed between this story and A Flawed Diamond

Three years.

Randi Raver turned eighteen in A Flawed Dianmond, and was mentioned as being 21 in Runaway Train.

I noticed this while rereading them (the Brock Miller stories first) last month. The mention of Randi occurs fairly early.

Replies:   llong58
llong58 ๐Ÿšซ
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@MarissaHorne

Since at least one person is interested :)

I place Flawed Diamond at 2007-2008 for various reasons; and this lines up with Randi's age. She'd turn 22 while Travis is recuperating from arm surgery.

Timeline Issue #1 - Travis states that he watches Randi on TV. This would either be Iconoclast reruns or else Randi has a new show. Of course, we don't actually learn that Iconoclast only lasts 2.5 seasons until Learning Curves.

#2 - Travis refers to Dodger Stadium built in 1955 as "60 years old".

#3 - Watching the Baltimore-Cleveland game, implies that Brock's second season happened 6-7 years ago, not 3. [That snotty kid pitcher was 19 in Flawed Diamond and is 26 now] And the Browns left Baltimore "20 years ago". Both statements would put Runaway Train in 2015 (if we place Flawed Diamond in 2007-2008).

#4 Merrie's "adorable little boy" (says Liz) is 4-5 months old at the start of Runaway Train. I'd expect her to use the word "baby". This is definitely a nitpicky quibble on my part. Or - this story may have originally been placed in 2015 at one point, making Sam Miller 5 years old.

I don't consider these flaws at all - more like trivial details that I've noticed after lots of re-reading.

Replies:   Dinsdale
Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@llong58

Looking at A Flawed Diamond:
Chapter 45 has the Dodgers' Spring Training as being in Arizona for the first time, they moved from Vero Beach (Dodgerstown) to Arizona before 2009 Spring Training.
Chapter 57 has Houston as having just moved from NL Central to AL West and that was 2013.

PeckingChicken ๐Ÿšซ

@hambarca12

The failure of the last concert was part of a one-two punch that was supposed to drive down the numbers for her next deal and lock it to her old record company. The second part would be the disclosure of the events in Italy. The trick was going to be to damage LL's reputation to the extent that she'd come in low on the numbers for her deal and the weasel record company guy would make the problem go away.

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