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Problem of reusing plot themes and character archetypes

Sage of the Forlorn Path ๐Ÿšซ

I've been writing since I was a kid, mostly fantasy with some horror and sci-fi, and now that my patreon is taking off, I want to start posting my older works. The problem is that as I look back through the stories, I realize that I have a bad habit of reusing certain plot devices and character archetypes.
It's more than just a love of specific tropes and themes, and it's taken me a long time to even notice I do it, but it's like my stories require these similar components in order to function, even if the reasons and conception are entirely different.
For example, in a fantasy series I worked on through high school, one of the main supporting characters was a female archer, who I designed with a ranger-style/Robin Hood-esque aesthetic, and she and the misanthropic MC form a brother-sister type relationship, where she helps him reconnect with humanity.
In my current series, the MC befriends a woman who also uses a bow. I gave her the bow because the main love interest uses a sword, and I made her a lesbian because I wanted to give her and the main character a strong, purely platonic friendship without tainting them with will-they/won't-they tension.
Two women with different backgrounds, personalities, and strengths, but in the end, they are both, ultimately, female archers who form strong, nonromantic relationships with the main character. I took them on different paths for different reasons, but I still wound up at the same destination.
Does anyone else have this problem? I don't want my earlier stories to gather dust in the back of my hard drive, considering all the time and effort I put into writing them, but now that I've noticed this problem, I'm terrified of someone pointing it out.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Sage of the Forlorn Path

I have no problems. Your characters are well thought out and they fit the story. It's not like you're rewriting the same story every time.

AJ

alaska ๐Ÿšซ

@Sage of the Forlorn Path

If you ever read Robert E Howard's work (Conan the Barbarian) you would find he too used the same plots and story structures over and over again, yet his stories are still a good read.

And "a good read (or story)" is the point after all. I wouldn't worry about it. If the story is good, your readers will enjoy it.

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ
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@Sage of the Forlorn Path

Eh. It is generally more believable that a female is an archer, rather than a sword or axe wielder. While strength is important in archery, in particular warfare (compared to target practice, or hunting some types of game).

Female archers are a Trope hundreds, actually Thousands of years old.

The characters you described seem to have sufficient differences.

Some authors make changes, seemingly just to be different and the result is a worse story!

Write good stories with believable, or at least entertaining characters. Plenty of successful authors write many stories with quite similar characters.

Think of all of the variations of Sherlock Holmes, in various books, by various authors, movies, TV shows, etc. Not to mention a plethora of Brilliant Detectives, most of whom have some resemblances to Sherlock. Many of those stories are quite good in their own right, even if the author "borrowed" (or Stole).

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Tw0Cr0ws ๐Ÿšซ

@Paladin_HGWT

It is generally more believable that a female is an archer, rather than a sword or axe wielder. While strength is important in archery, in particular warfare (compared to target practice, or hunting some types of game).

While in the real world strength is more important for the bow and dexterity is more important for the sword.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Sage of the Forlorn Path

That was a problem that David Eddings had.

He achieve great success with his Belgariad and Malloreon series. But then he wrote the follow up ones Elenium and Tamuli, and in many ways they were almost the same plots as the previous two series.

For Howard, just like others like Burroughs they were only intended to be sold to pulp magazines, and it was not unusual to see one story in one magazine, and another story in another magazine. So reusing plots was very common, as say readers of one Tarzan story would read it in Argosy. Then a year later readers in Blue Book would read a different story.

This was actually very common in the pulp magazine era, and was largely unnoticed until later when they were assembled into books.

Replies:   SaiDiaS
SaiDiaS ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

There's an old saying that goes something like this, "You can re-tell the same story a hundred times, over and over again, for generations. And as long as you tell the story well, people will like it."

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Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@SaiDiaS

There's an old saying that goes something like this, "You can re-tell the same story a hundred times, over and over again, for generations. And as long as you tell the story well, people will like it."

Very true.

Then however you get into things like the current Disney era. Where they literally are telling the same story over and over again with almost no change.

I wonder how long until we get an animated version of The Lion King, based on the live action version. Which of course based on the animated version that was based on Hamlet.

At least Mel Brooks could make his movie about a play into a play, and change it enough to be entertaining again. Then make his movie based on a play that was based on a movie about a play once again original enough that it was not just a repeat of the original.

Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@Sage of the Forlorn Path

I've mentioned this before, but Clive Cussler is terrible for doing this, his books are pretty much the same story with different names. I read one, really enjoyed it, the second gave me terrible deja-vu and the third I gave up on about a third of the way in (making me very angry about his lazyness in the process. I vowed never to touch another of his books again).

Lee Child was starting to head that way with Reacher, until his son stepped in (But the quality dropped though).

On the other side of the equation, Bernard Cornwell should be guilty of this, given the rate at which he pumps out Sharpe novels, yet somehow he manages to avoid repeating himself.

As to David Eddings, feel free to correct me, but wasn't many of his novels ghost written by his daughter? Or was that Raymond Feist? Or, now that I stop to think about it, am I getting muddled up with Stella Gemmell....

Anyway, yes, I also have this unfortunate problem, and the more I write the more it's becoming apparent. In my case, it's 'angry young women' being the main character.

Replies:   Paladin_HGWT
Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@Pixy

While some Clive Cussler books of his NUMA series were formulaic; not all were.

He also had some lesser known series, such as a 4 or 5 book series about a railroad detective in the early 1900's. Those are very good books! I "inherited" a love of railroads, and the steam era in particular. Those books include some amazing tales based upon real events; from the "Great" San Francisco Fire, to some extraordinary engineering feats. Of course, there are the train robberies and other schemes too.

You have your opinion, however, it seems based upon reading just 2 and 1/3 of the many books written by Clive Cussler. I read most of his books as "escapist" fiction; and his writing style could be compared to "grocery store deli peperoni pizza" (but not as bad as Frozen Pizza). Perhaps I had the good fortune to read his books that the next book was significantly different from the one I read previously (in particular those not part of the "NUMA Files").

Bernard Cornwell was able to draw upon actual history, mostly of the Napoleonic Wars; he also depicted character arcs for his major characters. He has several other very good series too. An Archer* in the 100 years war, and a Naval series too; among others.

Louis L'Amour is another author some claim to be formulaic. And I am sure you could find at least 3 of his Western novels that are quite similar. But near half of his writing was not Westerns. He wrote of Pirates, Noir Detectives, "modern" (1960's to 1980's) Action-Adventure, War Stories, Adventures in the South Pacific in the 1930's, Mysteries, Irish History, and even a Sci-Fi story.

While I have not read many of your stories Sage, and it is good you recognize where you might make improvements. If you are writing good stories, even if your MC is typically an "angry young woman" are the "all the same story" or just similar characters? Are they all angry about the same thing?

It is usually best to write what you know.

Nearly all of my stories are about soldiers; often from the "special operations" branches. While they all share traits such as courage, discipline, ethics, motivation, and most are very proficient with firearms and tactics. But the vary from a US Marine Officer of Polish ancestry, an orphan, and Ranch Hand from Utah, an athletic young woman from suburban Georgia, who's career takes an odd path to RPAs (aka "drones") and Spec-Ops, or a younger brother of a well to do family who volunteers to do "something exciting" before having to become a "cog" in the family business, or a descendent of a US Civil War General who feels obligations to live up to a distant ancestor.

So, Sage, do you tell good stories?

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Paladin_HGWT

So, Sage, do you tell good stories?

Sage doesn't tell good stories, he tells amazingly good stories ;-)

AJ

greenbottle ๐Ÿšซ
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@Sage of the Forlorn Path

@awnlee.jawkins

Agree 100%

greenbottle

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