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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

On SOL at the moment we're lucky enough to have three very good serials in progress involving a teen boy and photography.

My preference is for Fanlon's 'Pinhole' because it does a better job of age-appropriate actions and reactions by the protagonist. In both aroslav's 'Full Frame' and Gruinard's 'Living Two Lives', the protagonists often come across as much older than their tender years.

Note that all three stories comfortably and deservedly rate above 8, so they're all very good.

AJ

Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I concur with this analysis and strongly recommend 'Pinhole'.

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DBActive ๐Ÿšซ

@Michael Loucks

Since I find it impossible to read more than a few pages of aroslav's stories, I can't compare, but Pinhole is excellent.

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richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@DBActive

aroslav's stories

Did they deliberately leave an "e" off the end of his author name?

"Aro: an abbreviated term for 'aromantic'. Aromantic: someone who does not experience romantic attraction. Asexual: someone who does not experience sexual attraction."

An Aro slave isn't romantic.

Tom D ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I am particularly enjoying Gruinard's 'Living Two Lives' as I live and work in Edinburgh. As an additional bonus my children went to school at Heriot's. It would be interesting to know whether Gruinard is an ex pupil as the story tallies closely with my experience (as a parent). I look forward to seeing what else he includes in the story ... Festival, Arthur's seat, Carlton hill, ...

johnnmarg ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Aroslav's story is the only one with realistic photo processing.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ
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@johnnmarg

Aroslav's story is the only one with realistic photo processing.

Yep. The old darkroom-in-a-closet.

I had one in HS, another in my apartment during college.

The other stories have a few things slightly off that interfere with enjoyment of the story - for the few of us who are old enough to have experienced this first hand.

Dicrostonyx ๐Ÿšซ

@johnnmarg

I vaguely recall an old story (90s era) that went in to a lot of realistic detail about using a darkroom, but all I can really remember about the story was that the teen protagonist had a sexual encounter in the school's darkroom at some point because he couldn't think of anywhere else that was parent-free.

bandeau_rouge ๐Ÿšซ

@johnnmarg

very unrealistic, so called author has no idea of film or paper work.

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irvmull ๐Ÿšซ
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@bandeau_rouge

very unrealistic, so called author has no idea of film or paper work.

Just what do you find wrong with the photography descriptions in Full Frame?

I just re-read the story, and can't find much wrong.

Or are you just trolling?

LonelyDad ๐Ÿšซ

@johnnmarg

In 'Kelly' by TheNightHawk the main male protagonist is a photographer who develops and prints all of his work. There are mentions of when he started while in school, and his time as an 'in demand' fashion photographer before he and a model friend started their own modeling agency. He takes on an apprentice and teaches her the trade as well.
While most of the story is about his adult life I found the descriptions of his photography work accurate and believable. While in college (approx 1200 students) I was the head yearbook photographer and developed and printed all of the pictures for two years of yearbooks. I also worked in the A/V department where I did some large format photography and color slide work where I developed my own slides. It was fun but gets expensive quickly.

Fra Bartolo ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

And you should not overlook Ryan Sylander's Hook, Pick and Lens series.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Fra Bartolo

And you should not overlook Ryan Sylander's Hook, Pick and Lens series.

I didn't mention it because it's not in progress, but that is one helluva series.

AJ

eg5305 ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I enjoyed pinhole, and am enjoying the other two. I was one of those kids with a camera in school and a dark room at home, so it resonates with me. Never got the amount of action that these MCs get :-)

muyoso ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Can't stand when authors clearly can't write age appropriate dialogue for their characters. Find this very common sadly.

Reading "Living Two Lives" right now and no 13 year old is going to have existential life planning lessons with a 16 year old girl and her sister planning out his whole life. G Younger does this MUCH better in his story Stupid Boy by having an older Uncle sit down with the main character and help him plan out his life goals.

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StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@muyoso

no 13 year old is going to have existential life planning lessons

My cancer - which was very much life threatening - was a slap in the face by reality. During one of my hospital stays, I went through three roommates in one day - because they were brought in, then they ALL died. (And no, I had nothing to do with that - I was stuck in bed myself and too damned weak.)

The main difference is, I had been raised by a supportive family. If I had otherwise been as ignored as Andrew, I can easily see myself being introspective and reaching out for whatever emotional assistance I could find.

Go spend some time on a children's cancer ward - as a patient. You'll find those kids are a hell of a lot more mature than you could possibly imagine.

itsmehonest ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

SmokinDriver also has 2 stories with darkroom and photography as story points for character development. Both feature atypical teens acting more mature.

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PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@itsmehonest

itsmehonest
5/18/2023, 6:14:38 PM

@awnlee jawking

SmokinDriver also has 2 stories with darkroom and photography as story points for character development. Both feature atypical teens acting more mature.

Which 2 stories, please? I looked through the descriptions and found no mention of photography or darkrooms.

Replies:   samuelmichaels
samuelmichaels ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Which 2 stories, please? I looked through the descriptions and found no mention of photography or darkrooms.

Hindsight 2020 (books 1 & 2), Nick: High School.

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itsmehonest ๐Ÿšซ

@samuelmichaels

Thanks for answering, I don't like leaving people hanging and for got i was in this thread

Hindsight 20/20 โ€” a series by SmokinDriver
Hindsight 20/20 Book 1
Hindsight 20/20 Book 2

Nick, High School

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

For anyone who is interested:

Aroslav's photography is pretty accurate. The only consistent error I found is that he uses the wrong names for camera filters. A "red filter" is just that - red in color, and is used to lighten red things and darken the other colors. Filters are named for what they pass, not what they filter out.

Same is true of air filters, oil filters, water filters (dispenses water, not the tadpoles:).

Besides, "Hand me a red filter, please. It's the blue one." doesn't make a lot of sense.

samuelmichaels ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

Filters are named for what they pass, not what they filter out.

Usually. But there are also UV filters that *block* UV.

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irvmull ๐Ÿšซ
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@samuelmichaels

Sure, if you want to get technical about it, there are both UV blocking and UV transmissive filters available.

This goes back to the early days of photography, before lens coatings and modern emulsions.

UV blocking filters are not really a thing in film photography anymore, because the normal lens coating takes care of that, and B&W film, which is normally very sensitive to UV, also now has a UV blocking overcoating.

Lots of people use UV filters as lens protectors, however. If you scratch one, it's cheaper to replace than the camera lens.

UV transmissive filters let UV thru while blocking visible light. To use these effectively you need special lenses that aren't UV coated, and special-order film. But it's much easier to just remove the built-in UV blocking filter from a digital camera, and stick a UV transmissive filter on the front.

palamedes ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

Filters are named for what they pass, not what they filter out.

What about a HEPA filter ?

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irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@palamedes

HEPA = high-efficiency particulate air
Lets the air thru.

Pick your nits elsewhere.

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palamedes ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

HEPA = high-efficiency particulate air
Lets the air thru.

HEPA filter also known as High-Efficiency Particulate Absorbing filter or High-Efficiency Particulate Arrestance filter is an efficiency standard of air filters.

Yes it lets air thru but A doesn't mean air.

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madnige ๐Ÿšซ
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@palamedes

Letting my inner Richard run free:

HEPA is a type of pleated mechanical air filter. It is an acronym for "high efficiency particulate air [filter]" (as officially defined by the U.S. Dept. of Energy).

from the US EPA gov website.

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Dicrostonyx ๐Ÿšซ

@madnige

And carrying on from that, wikipedia also states that "air"is the main definition, but references The Free Dictionary (archived 2020-04-20) as:

1. high-efficiency particulate air
2. high-efficiency particulate arresting
American Heritageยฎ Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright ยฉ 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

So I think it's safe to suggest that HEPA follows the normal pattern in its original/ main name, but there are also alternate names in use that do not follow the pattern. This is a pretty common pattern in English (probably all languages, but I'm not a linguist). There are a lot of words and even phonemes that have specific original meanings and patterns, but over time they degrade as new words break the pattern.

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