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possible copyright infringement by empress jenny?

robotica 🚫
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Horizon, Bright moon, Sabre (first published 1974-5) is definitely still under copyright protection. I believe the copyright laws in British Hong Kong (The Copyright (Hong Kong) Order 1972) at the time is 50 years and definitely cover translations as derivative works. The situation in ROC is murkier as it wasn't a signatory of WIPO Paris 1971 and only adopted life+50 years in 1992 (previously life+30y), but as this extension came within the protection period it should be assumed that it is life+50y. I couldn't find English translation of the original text of the Copyright Act but a chinese version of each iteration of the Act is here. Anyway, the upshot is that WIPO copyright protection is in place until 21 September 2035.

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Switch Blayde 🚫
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@robotica

An English translated version is on Goodreads with a link to Amazon (Kindle edition published November 7, 2015). There's no description, but it's the same title.

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robotica 🚫
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@Switch Blayde

Most of Gu Long's novels were never translated (partly because of the copyright mess between publishing in British Hong Kong and in Taiwan simultaneously, and that his death at the young age complicated the whole thing, compared with Louis Cha). There were some fans translation of some of GL's novels online some 15-20 years ago IIRC, but the quality is terrible (this is what you get when translating literature naïvely). Even the official(?) translation of The Eleventh Son is not that great.

Anyway, hosting fans translations of explicitly copyright-protected works exposes WLP/SOL to more DMCA (or equivalent) legal risks that Lazeez might not want.

Marius-6 🚫

@robotica

Horizon, Bright moon, Sabre (first published 1974-5) is definitely still under copyright protection. I believe the copyright laws in British Hong Kong (The Copyright (Hong Kong) Order 1972) at the time is 50 years and definitely cover translations as derivative works.

Has been Mooted by the elimination of Hong Kong as an independent political/legal entity. The "One China, Two Policies" figment has been obliterated.

Merely historical trivia, such as Rhodesia, Palestine, Kurdistan, or the Confederate States of America.

Mushroom 🚫

@robotica

There is also another issue, that of "Orphan Works".

These are works that are very well under copyright protection, but there is no owner (or no clear owner) of the works. This then become a gray area, and is often what happens if the publisher has gone out of business and left no clear trail of who takes possession of the copyrighted material after that.

That is the status of pretty much all of the old "dead tree" erotic works, like what is published here. Beeline and all of the others pretty much died in the late 1980s or early 1990s. And nobody acquired the rights to their work, so literally they are in a legal limbo. That is why they can be found all over, and nobody worries about being sued for publishing them.

They are under copyright, but there is nobody left to enforce it. A lot of things like movies and music to software also fall into this category.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_work

helmut_meukel 🚫

@robotica

"Horizon, Bright moon, Sabre" gets still posted here at SOL,
but the author's name has changed from Empress Jenny to Gu Long.

Am I just paranoic thinking it's now a case of identity theft too?

HM.

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Dominions Son 🚫

@helmut_meukel

Am I just paranoic thinking it's now a case of identity theft too?

No. Paranoia is the delusion that everyone is out to get you.

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@Dominions Son

Actually, it isn't.

In modern psychology paranoia is define as intense feeling of anxiety or fear or intrusive thoughts. These are often related to persecution, threat, or conspiracy, but don't have to be. Most importantly, paranoia is a symptom that can appear in a number of different conditions; paranoia is not a diagnosis of a condition itself.

One of the key things to understand is that paranoia has nothing to do with a reality of persecution. It is possible for someone to really be the target of a conspiracy and for them to also be suffering paranoid delusions.

For example, a spy, high-ranking official, or crime boss could reasonably expect themselves to be the target of investigation and take rational steps to avoid being attacked, but if their fear of attack starts making them unable to sleep, enjoy life, or function normally that might be sign of a psychological issue.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@helmut_meukel

Am I just paranoic thinking it's now a case of identity theft too?

this empress Jenny stopped logging in and submitting anything 6 chapters in. I guess "she" was disappointed after the score the story received.

So I found the story one of the sites where it's posted (many other sites) and did the posting. I scheduled it to automatically release each chapter.

'Empress Jenny' is not the author's name. Gu Long is the author credited with writing the story, so I changed the pen name to fix the issue, thus properly crediting the actual author.

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@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Empress Jenny never claimed to have written the story, the name Gu Long was always in there somewhere. My suspicion was that this thread was what stopped her posting.

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