Home Β» Forum Β» Story Discussion and Feedback

Forum: Story Discussion and Feedback

Asking for an honest review

James Jay Madison 🚫

Now that my story on here under this pen name (Against All Enemies) is complete - how many people that simply responded with knee-jerk reactions and called for Laz to censor or delete it (a new record for SOL, apparently) have bothered to finish reading it and realize that it's a love story, simply set in an unconventional and fictional setting? (Last time I checked, it was 2022, not 2025, and I purposely did NOT name any current politicians, simply described them.)

It's a romance set in a war, that happens to have political overtones. It is NOT a political rant or screed - careful readers will note that at no time did I mention the names of any political party. Did I expect it to be controversial when I started posting it? Of course. As I mentioned in the Author's Note at the end - everything that is listed from a legal and Constitutional perspective is factual and in accordance with existing Federal, State, and Local laws and treaties. (That, by the way, includes the history lesson regarding the actual ending of slavery in the United States. Sorry to disappoint the former lawyers out there, but if you'd read the whole story, you'd find out why.)

So, my question is - if you actually put aside your dislike of the setting, how is the actual story itself? The two main characters are flawed people, both affected by intense loss in their past from a common event. Should they be able to find happiness together, even if it is in a prison camp? Was the story descriptive enough? Should I have included the actual picture / diagram I made of the camp? Basically, I'd like a review or two from the plot, technical quality, and appeal. You can tell me it was a great story and you found it horrifically against everything you believe in and you won't hurt my feelings.

Remus2 🚫

@James Jay Madison

I usually click out of stories with political overtones.
Five minutes watching the idiot tube is my limit to anything political regardless of affiliation.

tenyari 🚫

@James Jay Madison

Didn't read the story. I have no idea if you've slanted things towards my perspective or towards the other side's perspective.

I do know you did slant it - because it's human nature to do so. The more people believe they are being 'factual and neutral' the more slanted their perspective ALWAYS is.

(Because the idea of being 'factual and neutral' is just really being 'willfully blind to personal perspectives and biases'.)

I glanced quickly through some 13+ pages of comments...

And all I can say is that if you stick your head in a wasp's nest, expect to get stung.

The moment I saw that the story's premise was "people don't accept the 2024 election results" I pretty much knew that even if by chance the story backed my personal perspective on the world, it would be toxic for me to read it. I'd get riled up whether it went left or right (there is no center in things like this, and anyone who thinks they're in the center is actually further left or right than most of us).

Basically... tossing a grenade into a discussion never ends well.

Dominions Son 🚫

@tenyari

Basically... tossing a grenade into a discussion never ends well.

I'd have gone with tossing gasoline on a fire, but yeah.

JoeBobMack 🚫
Updated:

@tenyari

(Because the idea of being 'factual and neutral' is just really being 'willfully blind to personal perspectives and biases'.)

Often, you are right, tenyari, but not always. There are ways to get pretty close to factual and neutral if one is willing to do the work. But, I admit, many aren't, and many in a number is professions, journalism and teaching being two examples, have quit trying.

So, the challenge is confirmation bias, the inherent tendency of it minds to sorry out beliefs by filtering the evidence of it's senses. We pay attention to, remember, recall easily, and give weight to the facts that fit our beliefs. We ignore, forget or discount facts that challenge or beliefs. And we see ambiguous facts as spring or beliefs. It's natural.

There are ways to counteract that bias. Writing down it beliefs and facts. Seeking to craft arguments for the other side. (Lawyers are got at this, thought they can be as guilty as any of failing to exercise the skill.) Talking to others with different beliefs, and listening carefully with a willingness to be persuaded. In some cases, it is even possible to directly test beliefs, though usually not about politics.

Also, unless I missed it, there was no claim to neutrality in the original post. The claim was that the legal points made in the story are correct. To the extent such a claim is offered about the exact wording of the constitution, a treaty, a law, or the language of a case, then it is possible to verify the claim. Neutrality doesn't come into it. When it is about the meaning of those words, then there is no way to make a claim of fact, though consistent and frequent interpretation in a particular manner would come close (which is, of course, the purpose of stare decisis in law.

James Jay Madison 🚫

@tenyari

I do know you did slant it - because it's human nature to do so.

The story itself simply picks out something that could happen, hopefully doesn't happen from either way, and expands upon it. Then I put a romance into it, to try to develop it and to see if people thought it was feasible.

Did you notice who edited it? TeNdErLoin. He and I discussed how controversial this would be. I thought that people would actually give the story a chance to develop before making snide, rude, and trolling comments. I freely admit I was wrong about that.

But I would like you to read it and decide if a romance could happen like I described. As for slanting, I presented it from the perspective of the rebels, so it had to be biased from how they saw things.

Replies:   JoeBobMack
JoeBobMack 🚫

@James Jay Madison

But I would like you to read it and decide if a romance could happen like I described.

I read a pretty good chunk of it and, no, I didn't find the romance believable. Nor the thoughts, actions, and belief systems of the rebels. And especially not the premise for why they were running the "experiment." To me, it has an element of a revenge fantasy, and the thought that the victims would be converted that way seems to unlikely to allow for a believable story. It's basically a hidden request for suspension of disbelief, a request that goes beyond the hypothetical future you posit to a fundamental difference in human psychology.

Replies:   James Jay Madison
James Jay Madison 🚫

@JoeBobMack

the thought that the victims would be converted that way seems to unlikely to allow for a believable story.

Thank you for your honesty. I specifically chose this scenario because it was one proposed radical members of the party currently in power to deal with the 'deplorables,' and simply switched it around. Like I said, I knew this would be controversial. Now, while I don't know if you personally are a US military veteran, I've received a lot of emails from members who are who do see this as part of this their mindset, due to the oath we all swore to the Constitution.

Replies:   DBActive  tenyari
DBActive 🚫

@James Jay Madison

Since you're interested in facts:
1. An AR-15 for military?
2. A taser with half a million volts?
3. Guards wearing sidearm or carrying any firearm while among prisioners?
As for other content: the dialog style is completely unnatural.

Replies:   James Jay Madison
James Jay Madison 🚫

@DBActive

1. An AR-15 for military?
2. A taser with half a million volts?
3. Guards wearing sidearm or carrying any firearm while among prisioners?
As for other content: the dialog style is completely unnatural.

1: Read the story - the guards aren't military. Oklahoma State Guard - a well regulated militia, the members provided their own firearms. The OKARNG - yeah, those guys have military issue weapons.

2: While a standard police taser with probes is 50,000 volts, there are stun gun tasers available to the general public that produce in excess of thirty million volts - so yeah. Tasers with half a million volts. Do your research before questioning something - I did mine before I wrote the story.

3: Have you ever seen a war movie set in a prison camp? Guess what? Those are based upon reality - where the guards inside the camp carried rifles and pistols. This isn't a peacetime prison, where the only guards with weapons are the ones in the towers that can shoot prisoners trying to go over the wall.

I'm specifically arguing with you on the facts, not to make you angry, but to make you think.

As for dialogue being completely unnatural, how? Military speak is not civilian speak, by any means. The editor of my story - TeNdErLoin (not how I usually get to credit him) - specifically modified some of the dialogue to make it sound more credible and natural.

Replies:   DBActive  Mushroom  madnige
DBActive 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

1. At no point do you say anything about the Oklahoma State Guard. You do say: "He forgot that states like Texas and Oklahoma have their own National Guards that told Washington to fuck off, and we have nice sized militaries of our own."

2. You stated "taser." A taser is not a "stun gun" - something your link explicitly states.

3. You research is old war movies? No guard without a suicide wish would mingle with prisoners while armed. Your prison guard character would know that.

Speech - well, are they military or not? In response to the first, you said they weren't military. Now they are?

Replies:   James Jay Madison
James Jay Madison 🚫

@DBActive

On page one? No. Further in? Definitely. Like I said, read the story.

The term taser and stun gun are relatively interchangeable. That's speaking from experience, by the way.

Armed guards are not the same as armed soldiers. Just a little difference, as anyone who served knows. Oh, and soldier speak - because if you'd read more than one page, you'd know all the men are combat veterans that are no longer eligible or able for front line duty.

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

Where do you make the claim that they are members of a mythical state guard? No where in the first 5 chapters. I can't see reading anymore of this dreck to find a reference to an organization that doesn't exist.

Even if it existed, that wouldn't grant your characters the right to commit the numerous crimes committed in the first couple of chapters.

Yes - soldiers guarding prisoners take the same precautions for safety as civilian guards. They do not offer weapons up on a platter to prisoners unless they want to put themselves, their compatriots and the other prisoners at risk.

Finally, tasers and stun guns are two entirely different technologies.

James Jay Madison 🚫

@DBActive

You stopped one chapter too soon.

"Operation Desert Storm. I actually misspoke earlier, over breakfast. We're not just guards, we're all soldiers. Remember yesterday, when I said we were all military veterans? Well, there are veterans, and then there are combat veterans." He turned, so his right shoulder was visible. "Do you see this patch? It's a taro leaf, which signifies that I served in the 24th Infantry Division. The taro leaf is because the Division originated on Hawaii, and took casualties along with the Navy during the attack on Pearl Harbor. When we're walking around, you'll notice that all of us have a patch of some kind on our right shoulder. That signifies we were a part of that division, or that unit, during combat operations. You'll see different patches on the right shoulders, depending upon where that soldier served. This patch on our left shoulder shows that we're all part of the Oklahoma State Guard."

"But Oklahoma doesn't have a state guard, any more than Kansas does."

He smiled. "No, Oklahoma didn't have a state guard. That was one of the first things the Governor did when fuckwad said we were in rebellion against the US. So, we're a perfectly legal part of the Oklahoma Department of the Military.

What crimes? Oh, that's right - you're using the same knee-jerk reaction. There are no military or civilian laws applicable, due to the suspension of all constitutional rights as per POTUS. You ought to work on comprehending what you read. (God, I love my legal training.)

Um - have you worked as either a prison or military guard? If so, then I'll consider your opinion. If not, then since I had as a consultant on this someone who did do that for too damned many years (his words), I submit that you have no idea what you're talking about. These are women who don't know squat about weapons, and are afraid of them. They didn't pull one hundred women at random off the street.

Um, does it shoot electricity through the body to incapacitate someone? Same technology, simply different applications of it - and remember, characters don't always use correct terminology, even if the author does know the difference.

Replies:   Remus2  DBActive  Mushroom
Remus2 🚫

@James Jay Madison

I don't need to read the story to see the direction of your bias.
Just from your comments here in this thread.

What crimes? Oh, that's right - you're using the same knee-jerk reaction.

Ad hominem attacks, really??
If you're going to say things like that, at least be honest about it.

DBActive 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

What crimes? Oh, that's right - you're using the same knee-jerk reaction. There are no military or civilian laws applicable, due to the suspension of all constitutional rights as per POTUS. You ought to work on comprehending what you read. (God, I love my legal training.)

Hold on - you already told us that the Feds don't have any authority there. What did it matter what POTUS did?
And, what does it have to do with constitutional rights? Rape, murder, assault are now legal in Oklahoma?

Replies:   James Jay Madison
James Jay Madison 🚫

@DBActive

Rape, murder, assault are now legal in Oklahoma?

As is mentioned further in the story, while the Oklahoma Constitution accepts the US Constitution, if the Oklahoma (and other) state legislatures put it to a vote to suspend part of their own state Constitutions - which they can do - then things are perfectly legal. Also, again, if you read further in, you'll find a discussion regarding these things.

There was a science fiction story a while back where someone went out and assassinated someone famous, and was immediately caught. They were then pardoned by the President. The power to pardon is the power to allow what polite society considers crimes, as opposed to the simply failure to prosecute when crimes are committed. (Mostly peaceful demonstrators from a couple years ago comes to mind regarding that.)

It has been pointed out to me - quite correctly - that I got a little upset and allowed my temper to flare in my comments. For that I apologize.

Mushroom 🚫

@James Jay Madison

Um - have you worked as either a prison or military guard?

I have.

They do not carry guns around groups of prisoners. The only exception to "guns and prisoners" will be when transporting them. But never-ever inside the prison itself.

Oh, and your use of the patch on a shoulder is not in keeping with how the Army does it.

As I said, it reads like "The Turner Diaries" to me. Largely a self-fantasy that is partaking in mental masturbation for what they want things to be like.

Paladin_HGWT 🚫
Updated:

@DBActive

DBActive, I agree with all of your points, except the first sentence:

Where do you make the claim that they are members of a mythical state guard?

Most states (and some territories) have a State Guard, that is Not (under any previous or current US Laws) subject to being federalized. In the aftermath of the Spanish American War and the uneven performance of the various State Guards and Militia units, the National Guard was created to make some elements of the militias of the several states more professional and better able to integrate with the "Regular" Army.

Nearly every state wanted some militia force to remain under State control if the National Guard of their state were to be mobilized for Federal Service.

Elements of the State Guards performed security and other duties during the "Great War" (World War One), World War Two, and some other situations.

Nearly all members of the various State Guards either served in various Active Duty forces (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, or Coast Guard), the Reserves, or National Guard. Many are older than typically serve on Active Duty, or even the Reserves or National Guard. They also have lower standards for physical fitness. This is because they are mostly comprised of individuals unlikely to be Drafted into Federal Service.

Historically the State Guard were primarily deployed in times of emergency to guard dams, bridges, state government buildings, power plants, water plants, and other infrastructure. Or to man Observation Posts to warn of air attacks, invasion, or similar threats. Or to act as a cadre to train young men who might be "4F" or in other ways not chosen for Federal Service. For example, not until 1943 were 18 or 19 year-olds eligible for service in the Federal Armed Forces; although tens-of-thousands lied about their age (and for various reasons got away with it; tens-of-thousands were rejected too).

Since the 1990's most State Guards have become aligned with the their State's Emergency Management agency (some have different nomenclature). It is less likely they would be used for physical security duties, or "Outpost" duties. Being used as a Cadre to train others for military service has again become a possible mission due to the "down-sizing" of active duty and reserve forces that perform those duties since the 1990's, and even more so since c.2014.

Also, among the State Guards are similar units, including the Arizona Rangers, Colorado Rangers, New York Naval Guard, Texas Naval Militia, and a "Dog's Breakfast" of other entities. The Texas Rangers are an interesting side-case. Some elements of the Texas Rangers volunteered for Federal Service for the "Pershing Expedition" into Mexico in 1916, and also deployed to France in WWI. In WWII they served more like the State Guard and were not Federalized. About fifty years ago, for political reasons, the Texas Rangers were disbanded, and then recreated as part of the Texas state DPS (Dept. of Public Safety)

Replies:   DBActive  Mushroom
DBActive 🚫
Updated:

@Paladin_HGWT

I'm aware that there are state militias but the Oklahoma State Guard is long out of business. Searching that, I came across this aticle on an attempt to revive it: https://oksenate.gov/press-releases/sen-dahm-files-bill-revitalizing-state-militia?back=/senator-press-releases/nathan-dahm/2022-01
The bill failed:
https://statedefenseforce.com/main/legislation/oklahoma/

James Jay Madison 🚫

@DBActive

Oklahoma State Guard is long out of business.

Can you agree that I mentioned in the story that it was brought back at that future date, as I posted above? I know it doesn't exist right now, in 2022.

Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@DBActive

https://nrd.gov/resource/detail/8916248/Washington%20State%20Guard

In 1950, three years after the dissolution of the Washington State Guard, provisions of federal law which permitted states to raise military forces separate from their National Guards expired.

A 1953 legal opinion penned by the Attorney-General of Washington concluded that "there is no provision in the National Defense Act for the organization or maintenance of military forces, other than the National Guard, within the state. The organization of the state guard reserve at this time would not be authorized".

In 1958, however, an amendment to the U.S. Code provided that "in addition to its National Guard, if any, a State, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the District of Columbia, Guam, or the Virgin Islands may, as provided by its laws, organize and maintain defense forces".

The returned ability of states to raise a military separate from the National Guard saw Washington "at the forefront" of a small number of states that quickly moved to resurrect their forces, a callback to Washington's decision two decades before to outfit an unusually large and robust State Guard.[5] On May 19, 1960, Governor Albert Rosellini issued an executive order commanding that "the Washington State Guard Reserve is established as a part of the organized militia of the State ... [to] function as an additional internal security force within the State for employment, in event of an emergency declared by the Governor, to augment the National Guard in protecting life and property; preserving order and public safety; and taking preventive action against threats to the internal security of the State".

Creation of the Washington State Guard Reserve came at the instigation of adjutant-general Gen. George Haskett due to concern the entire National Guard might be deployed outside the state in the event of war with the Soviet Union. It soon recruited 112 former U.S. Army and Washington National Guard officers; the force was conceived of and organized as a command nucleus around which a larger element could be rapidly raised in the event of a crisis. It was formed into a skeleton headquarters detachment and five cadre-staffed internal security battalions which, if brought to full strength, would fulfill public order and civil defense missions. By the 1970s it had grown to 164 officers, added an eight-man air section posted to the King County International Airport, and was officially renamed the Washington State Guard.

https://mil.wa.gov/staff (Also includes a Tab linking to the State EMD {Emergency Management Division} which members of the State Guard augment.)

I don't know about Oklahoma, or specifically the status of the Oklahoma State Guard. For other reasons I researched the creation of the National Guard and State Militia units other than the NG. I focused on the period of creation post Spanish American War, and prior to the "Great War" through World War Two.

Several NCOs and Officers I served with are members of the State Guard. I have been invited to join the State Guard (just before the Covid Shutdowns).

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

I wasn't disagreeing with you or claiming that state guard organizations don't exist. I was simply stating that the "Oklahoma State Guard" was "mythical." It is.
It was disbanded decades ago and attempts at revival have failed.

Mushroom 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

Most states (and some territories) have a State Guard, that is Not (under any previous or current US Laws) subject to being federalized.

Actually, only 24 States and US Territories have them (23 states and Puerto Rico).

Oklahoma had one, but it has not been active since WWII.

I have actually worked with the California State Guard in the past. Mostly, they run the "Boot Camp" program in the state for teen offenders. And for many, the largest component is part of the "State Guard", but more akin to a state run Coast Guard. And a few states almost deployed theirs for COVID, but I am not aware of any that actually mobilized for that.

I know the Alaska State Guard is also fairly active, mostly in S&R and other such things.

Mushroom 🚫

@James Jay Madison

Have you ever seen a war movie set in a prison camp? Guess what? Those are based upon reality - where the guards inside the camp carried rifles and pistols.

Actually, they did not. Once inside the inner lines of the enclosure where the prisoners were, they were always unarmed. A clear demarcation line between where weapons are and are not carried has been part of prisons for centuries.

madnige 🚫

@James Jay Madison

there are stun gun tasers available to the general public that produce in excess of thirty million volts

Tasers with half a million volts

Claims for Megavolt level outputs on handheld devices are marketing hyperbole at best; the breakdown voltage of air is about 3kV/mm at best (worse in damp or dirty conditions) so for a single million volts you need a clearance of at least a foot, the 'thirty million volts' would require 10m at least, not something you could hand-carry!

Scaling from the photo in the linked article/advert, the unit shown has a deliberate spark gap of around 16-17mm, which works out to about 50kV breakdown voltage - same as all the rest. And, that's the breakdown voltage - once the arc is established, the voltage will be considerably lower.

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@madnige

Here is a long article with test results comparing different stun guns. It states the maximum voltage (which in itself doesn't matter) is 30k volts.
Interesting that the stun gun reference by the OP above only produces mild discomfort.
It should be noted that this article was done by a stun gun manufacturer.
https://www.sabrered.com/stun-guns-and-voltage-myth

tenyari 🚫

@James Jay Madison

I specifically chose this scenario because it was one proposed radical members of the party currently in power to deal with the 'deplorables,' and simply switched it around.

Here you in fact reveal that the story is just a pure bias rant.

The very fact that you use terms like "radical members" and "deplorables" reveals you're only writing from the POV of an extreme level of bias.

You're more or less making my case for me: that people who think they are being objective are nearly always the ones most biased.

The story itself simply picks out something that could happen

But this NOT what it's doing. It's presenting a fear that people with extreme levels of bias have, as if that fear could be realized.

It's not that the comments are trolling you, it's that you're trolling readers for the entire purpose of getting a rise out them - and you're not even consciously aware that you're doing this.

You've then achieved the logical result: people on both the left and right reacting around their worst gut instincts to attack, and end up even more hostile towards each other as a result.

Replies:   James Jay Madison
James Jay Madison 🚫

@tenyari

The very fact that you use terms like "radical members" and "deplorables" reveals you're only writing from the POV of an extreme level of bias.

Um - who is the one who used the term 'deplorables' and camps for reeducation of conservatives are something they proposed.

All I did was take what they proposed and flip it.

Replies:   tenyari
tenyari 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

Um - who is the one who used the term 'deplorables' and camps for reeducation of conservatives are something they proposed.

And you can't see how absurdly biased and argumentative you're being? You're also living in a world of fiction with some of those claims - biased news sources quoting people who themselves make their livings speaking to crowds with the aim of inciting people in order to sway elections - what politicians do: divide us by making us afraid of each other... Just... don't play into their hands.

You're asking to get flamed here. And frankly, at this point you're deliberately trying to incite the community HERE over your anger over politics THERE.

I don't know if there's a rule here against using story posting as a tool to incite fights, but if there isn't... there should be.

And even if there isn't, a responsible person should know better. There are way too many divisive political fights out there. Let's just let those fools in the rest of the world have them, and please NOT use stories as a tool to spoil this place also.

Can we not have SOMEWHERE where we don't have to 24/7 fight over politics none of us are in control of?

Replies:   Marius-6  Pixy
Marius-6 🚫

@tenyari

I agree tenyari

Can we not have SOMEWHERE where we don't have to 24/7 fight over politics none of us are in control of?

Unfortunately, the unrelenting invasion of politics into EVERYTHING! is a "Feature, Not a Bug" to Force us to COMPLY...

Everywhere, into our homes, our lives, our computers and other devices, or posts online, and I fear as soon as it is possible, into our thoughts!

Right Think "is" they only tolerated point of view, express anything else and we are subject to being "Canceled." The intent is to not only be Afraid of saying, or posting online, but even in our private thoughts, any "opposition" to "The Current Thing."

They seek to cow us into accepting that "What is Not FORBIDDEN IS COMPELED!" Within our very Heats, Minds, and Souls.

No prison is more confining than a mind broken to the will of others.

Too often I feel that I have somehow awoken into the nightmare of "Das Leben Der Anderen" "The Lives of Others" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/plotsummary

Or The Prisoner https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/

Pixy 🚫

@tenyari

And frankly, at this point you're deliberately trying to incite the community

Given the fact that the OP asked for reviews on their story and that subsequently they seem to be arguing over points not really related, yet failing to reply to the very reviews they asked for, does seem to validate your hypothesis that they are deliberately trying to incite discord.

Replies:   NC-Retired
NC-Retired 🚫

@Pixy

Can you say 'provocateur'?

Replies:   Remus2  Pixy
Remus2 🚫

@NC-Retired

We call that shit stirring around these parts.

Replies:   NC-Retired
NC-Retired 🚫

@Remus2

I like big words.

But... same-o same-o

Pixy 🚫

@NC-Retired

Can you say 'provocateur'?

Only when drunk.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@James Jay Madison

I haven't read it, but you might want to set the time more in the future than this next presidential election.

DBActive 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I read the first page and a half. That was enough.

Replies:   James Jay Madison
James Jay Madison 🚫

@DBActive

I read the first page and a half. That was enough.

See, that's my whole point. Everyone just automatically jumps to their own pre-conceived notions regarding a story, without actually determining whether or not the actual content of the story is actually any good. What's the old saying, don't judge a book by its cover?

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@James Jay Madison

The first pages are awful. Why would I read more in the hope it got better?

James Jay Madison 🚫

@DBActive

Okay, constructive criticism, then. Why do you consider them awful? Is the sentence construction terrible? Does the dialogue sound phony? Or is it simply the topic you found abhorrent and inconceivable?

Just saying it's awful - without being specific - does no good whatsoever in helping me improve the quality.

irvmull 🚫

@DBActive

Most murder mysteries begin with someone getting killed - often in a horrible, sickening way.

Why would anyone read further, in hopes that it would get better?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@irvmull

People who like to read murder mysteries expect them to start with a horrific murder.

People who don't like murder mysteries won't generally get even that far.

James Jay Madison 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I did that on purpose, to see if people would be willing to not apply their own built in prejudices and actually give a story a chance to develop, instead of simply reading the first page and screaming that this doesn't fit their world view.

Replies:   Lumpy
Lumpy 🚫

@James Jay Madison

You are never going to get anyone to read without applying their own prejudices. If you're going to write a politically charged story (which this most definitely is), expect a backlash. I'm not saying it's good or bad on that account, but in no way is this presenting anything in the neutral way. It reads fairly far-right wing to me and in spite of statements saying you're not naming politicians or political parties, you do everything but name them. I don't think anyone is confused about who you're referring too in these stories.

Something I would suggest is rethinking your end notes and possibly your posting in the comments. Lecturing your readers will never do what you want it to do (and the end notes and many of the replies definitely read in that vein). You aren't going to convince people who are turned off on the politics to give it a chance or change their mind, but you might turn off people on the fence.

Mushroom 🚫

@James Jay Madison

It's a romance set in a war, that happens to have political overtones.

OK, I just went and read the first chapter. And much of what people are saying is right.

The language is stilted and feels wrong. And this is coming from somebody that spent decades in the military. Unless either reading a formal operations order or being ironic-sarcastic, nobody in the military uses term like "zero eight fifteen". We just say 8:15. Or write it as 0815. The exception is when we are being ironic or sarcastic, in saying like "We will meet up here at zero dark thirty".

And to be honest, it quickly reminded me of another "book" that I first read over 20 years ago. The Turner Diaries. I read that back in the late 1980s as it was commonly sold at gun shows, and was becoming the "bible" for the Militia Movement. And just the start of this reminded me a lot of that.

Read it once, have absolutely no interest in reading it again. And I have absolutely zero interest in reading a fictionalized political story. I think I would rather give myself a ghost pepper enema rather then read any farther.

Pixy 🚫

@James Jay Madison

I thought I would give this a go, seeing as I have no involvement per-say, being a foreigner…

First three lines in and already I'm going 'What?' We have the person supposedly in charge not knowing mission critical information (arrival time), the subordinate being snarky to a senior "All I can do is pass on what the higher ups tell me.." being said to a… higher up… Oh dear, this is not looking good.

"But with us doing this, we're freeing up able bodied people. I had ten years in, with two tours in the sandbox, and then another twenty with ODOC, before I retired from that." Eurgh, exposition dump.

"Then what the hell am I doing running this shit show" If he is running it, and it's a shit show, then he has only himself to blame. Terrible line.

Immediate next paragraph, more exposition dumped about how Jackson lost part of his leg, blah, blah, blah.

"Ah, what have we here?" A man carrying an AR-15 slung over his shoulder walked up, stopped, then saluted. After it was returned, he said, "Captain Anderson, First Sergeant, Tower One sent word that they can see six vehicles that turned off the main…" The man in charge doesn't even know those under his command? No wonder it's a 'shit show'…

More exposition ungainly dumped on the reader about Jackson's conduct file…

Some Humvee's arrive and pull up outside the command tent? Seems a dodgy camp layout. Incidentally some description of the camp beforehand wouldn't have gone amiss…

More dumping of exposition….

Oh my god, even more exposition.

"The women that had gotten off the buses appeared to be of all races," Disembarked would be better and 'appeared'? They either are or they are not.

"Listen up! Quiet down, please, quiet down" Were they being noisy? There had been no indication that they were previous to that statement. Women tend to be quite quiet when together and scared (I'm presuming they would be scared- most people would be in that scenario) but there is no indication in the story as to their general demeanor.

"Anderson wasn't wearing a rifle" How do you wear a rifle? You hold or carry one. Wearing is for hats and clothes.

"the taser back into the belt pouch behind his back" Would someone who was sitting down a lot really have a pouch behind their back, you know, where they would be pressing/leaning back against it all the time?

"Picking up the loudspeaker again, he said, "Thank you for your cooperation." The sentence would benefit from a descriptor, like, 'he drolled sarcastically' or 'with contempt'. Otherwise the words have no meaning or purpose within the story.

"I'm quite certain that many, most, if not all of you are wondering exactly why you're here…" Oh for the love of…not another exposition dump…
"Why are you here? Well, that entails a little bit of a recent history lesson.." Oh no! Not again!!!!

I skipped the next couple of paragraphs as they came over as a rant.

Some more tediously dreary exposition. Skipped it.

Nope, still tedious exposition being ranted..

Oh, that's the chapter finished.

Conclusion; I'll not be reading anymore, that was enough. There was a complete lack of description throughout the chapter with regards to…basically everything. So we had a bit about the bottom four feet of the fence being mesh, and there were some tents, that was about it. This was less story, more diatribe. There was no real description about the demeanor of those in the story, and what little there was, wasn't realistic, nor was the dialogue.

John Demille 🚫

@James Jay Madison

if you actually put aside your dislike of the setting

I guess by now you can tell that this won't ever happen.

Anybody who's on the right or might be even neutral to the start of the story won't dare speak up.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@John Demille

Anybody who's on the right or might be even neutral to the start of the story won't dare speak up.

Oh, I got no problem speaking up.

I make absolutely ho effort to hide I tend to be to the "Right" politically. And as such, see scribblings like this as a complete joke. Just reading the one chapter and what was posted in here reminds me of the ramblings of Andrew Macdonald.

And I have even slipped in a few cases of "politics" into my stories, and very much from my point of view. But even when I do that, it is always in the way of reconciliation and "getting along", and not to divide.

I have absolutely no interest in "divisive politics". From either side.

Eddie Davidson 🚫

@James Jay Madison

I totally empathize with your question. As an author, I feel perplexed that I seldom get constructive feedback.

I typically get either trolls who try to incentivize me to leave the site by sending me nasty comments, or people who simply send a well meaning post of "Good job"

It's something at least. A full blown review would be something else entirely - especially if it made me a better author.

I can relate to why you are asking. I am actually a reviewer on the site too and I've been picking mostly stories in my wheelhouse (BDSM/Humiliation) or ones I've already read.

Your writing appears flawless. I've only read a few chapters and the grammatical/story style is professional level.

I only read a few chapters - not enough to publish a review on the site. What I did read, felt like an epic in a movie. Commanders talking about the horrors of war, that sort of thing.

If you are asking should you include pictures? Hell yeah. Don't go overboard. I did at first, and now I am trying to limit myself.

What I do is try to size any picture down as well and just publish it at the top of the chapter. I found that when I put the tags in the middle of the story it got confusing to the site admins and I am trying to be mindful of their time. I do a lot of reposting when I find errors and I don't want them to have to deal with getting the tags where they need to be every time I repost.

Tactical camp maps, little arrows showing the directions of the troops - that's cool as shit. Tolkien famously said "I wisely started with a map, and made the story fit".

I love flawed main characters. I love seeing their evolution over time.

Appeal is the hardest part for me to rate though. I do not like romance or melodrama unless it includes other elements that excite me. It's like watching a Rom Com. If there are gratuitous boobs, I can probably watch but they haven't done Rom Coms like that since the 1980s.

Appeal is so subjective that assigning a 1-10 value to it is really hard - because broad appeal is so hard to judge.

95% of the people on this site probably think my stories are crap but to those 5% of hard core perverts that like my filth - my stories may have a high appeal. So what is it?

Early John Waters films are the same way. To those of us who dig them - they are a 10. To those who do not they are a less than zero.

I am not sure if my comment is helpful, but I guess my question is this:

Was it fun to write? Did you get to enjoy their adventure as you told the story and watched it unfold?

if the answer is yes, then the appeal is "10" - now what's next for JJ Madison?

Replies:   Pixy  Mushroom
Pixy 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

Your writing appears flawless. I've only read a few chapters and the grammatical/story style is professional level.

You obviously read a completely different story to the one I did. I found serious flaws in the first couple of paragraphs and absolutely no way was the first chapter anywhere near professional level.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@Pixy

You obviously read a completely different story to the one I did. I found serious flaws in the first couple of paragraphs and absolutely no way was the first chapter anywhere near professional level.

Actually, I can ignore the "professional level" argument, as after all 98% of us are amateurs in here.

However, I myself have no interest in reading biased political tracts. And I do not even care which side of the political fence it sits, if it is in support of my beliefs or not. I have zero interest in that.

People that write things like that generally are not out to "tell a story", they are out to recruit people into their beliefs. And I have no more interest in being recruited to a political mindset than I am to being recruited to a new religion or sports team.

Mushroom 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

I totally empathize with your question. As an author, I feel perplexed that I seldom get constructive feedback.

I typically get either trolls who try to incentivize me to leave the site by sending me nasty comments, or people who simply send a well meaning post of "Good job"

Myself, I find the feedback generally follows the length of the story. My longest form stories often have a dozen or more pages of feedback. As well as dozens of private messages.

My shorter one chapter ones, not so much. And in those, I admit laughingly that a great many are of the negative variety. Of course, most tend to get the point when I point out that the story was part of what I called my "Dark Tales" series, and those generally do not have a "happy ending" on purpose.

They did not like that I had the main character and his girlfriend die in a car crash at the end of the story? Well hell, it was posted as a "Dark Tales" story for a reason. The description for that series very clearly states:

This is set aside for stories that are of a darker tone. Think of the old Twilight Zone series, or Outer Limits. Not horror, but where there very may well be a twist at the end that was not expected. Or the main character at the end may not have a "Happily After Ever" life. And that does not mean they will not, either. It simply will not be in a way that is probably expected.

To me, if they ignored the series it belongs to and did not bother to read that description, then they really have no right to complain that it did not turn out the way they wanted.

LupusDei 🚫

@James Jay Madison

Duh, what a load of bullshit.

And yes, I did really read it. Almost dropped it a few times, but I'm simple to hook, get a naked girl run around in public like that and I would soldier through almost anything.

I tried to give it a fair chance, distance from the awful authoritarian propaganda piece it is and try accept it as just a porn wank of a mindset I'm let to believe actually exists despite the total lack of any justification for such in the real world. But the incredible naively of the violent revanshist fantasy would be risible if not so tragic -- because lies like this is what causes actual wars.

Romance? What romance, there was none. He got him a Muslim wife the fist day, and that was about it. It was not explored at all instead serving just as an awkward way to stitch together rolling from one political rant to the next all throughout. The attempts to jump into her head was perhaps the most awkward, not so much by being "not even wrong" but by how out of place they were.

I can't comment on language as I don't speak English at all, but weirdest what exact little random things get detailed out. The gun porn with no actual justification for it, just for it, okay, it's supposedly a thing around there, but it reads so strange, and there's more, and won't even go into the mindset...

I'm not troubled by fringe, as such, well, in right mindset I can jack off to Dolcett, exactly for how twisted and unnatural the psychology is. This was just boring, frankly.

I know a thing or two about twisted politics, or arrogant enough to believe so. See, I'm born in USSR, but graduate high school in different country than started the exact same school, and the principal speeches differed by few select words, despite him ostensibly being in the independence movement just as well. The old drunkard was getting lazy.

Yeah, you may dismiss it as being young... I was, but... I was born for a war. My luck my war happened early and used songs for weapons. It wasn't any less destructive for that though, or less scarring of the participants we were, only harder to explain to outsider or even ourselves, as the actual ruins manifested years later.

But yeah, I have the arrogance to think I know a thing or two about lie based propaganda and this write up is a rather mediocre example.

LupusDei 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

Now, for comparison, or if you have to read a real thought provoking story about the Second American Civil War that's absolutely believable of how it actually works (I mean psychology, the gun porn may be sketchy, not to mention the actual war, but it's all actually unimportant)...

Search for "And the Snow Fell" by UnityMitford on the other site.

Written by an abnormally talented ER nurse it's from a point of a girl that just happens to run with certain crowd and goes with it becoming even a bit of a war hero... well, no spoilers, but I believe it should be rather dark for anyone though...

LupusDei 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

A few more comments after sleeping on it a bit.

The ridiculous Charlie Sue being a "hacker" is of course such a cheap trope, but it while it would be almost okay on itself, even his elevated opinion of himself to an extent (pointing to his actual mediocrity at best, likely) and the author, while obviously not knowing half a thing, wisely keeps away from details (with would be good not for the stark contrast to the overall verbosity) and steps in an obvious trope trap only once, and not the worst: the flashing screens.

Admittedly it's extremely hard to show a hacker in action as for the most part there's none obvious, beyond perhaps furious code typing with on itself is only partly applicable and likewise cringe worthy trope by now.

However, for all the obviously intentionally irritating talk of "precision" in language with no substance, the way he uses the term "white hat" is as insulting to actual white hats as most of what he says or does is.

Because, of course While Hat isn't just a random Black Hat working for the "good guys" whoever those happen to be in the context of the moment. That's point of it, that sides are completely irrelevant, the behavior is. It's called ethical hacking for a reason. True White Hat does what they do in complete adherence to law and rules and own moral norms that usually are much stricter than any formal framework. As I understand the concept (what may not be perfect either) they won't even deliberately pentest a network without consent, would never exfiltrate data other than necessary as proof of vulnerability they have stumbled upon and reported back immediately, and absolutely not for personal gain or cause whatsoever. At very most the concept of data being in "free access" is malleable to an extent, but even that's slippery into Grey Hat territory quickly.

So yeah, he could call his captive wife's behavior nudism with just about the same level of accuracy and truth value. With his overall level of inattention, I'm surprised he didn't attempt to.

Speaking of inattention to detail, that final scene, beyond being extremely cringeworthy as it was, was confusing at best by apparently introducing the third first name for the black cook in addition to apparently completely changing her speech patterns. I actually made a double pass trying to prove it's actually meant to be someone else served under the supervision of the previous, but it checked out she's apparently meant to be her indeed regardless of the stark differences. With taking together made the ending much worse in a terrifyingly subtle implied way. But I still hope by accident of it probably having been written long beforehand the bulk.

(Edit: spot a dumb autocorrect)

LupusDei 🚫

@James Jay Madison

A random epiphany: the American culture wars will likely be won by the side that first manage a way to own the return to the multigenerational household, because paradoxically the early split nuclear family may be where the American experiment is actually failing in adaptation now. Of course the generations stuck in permanent rebellious teen phase remains a long term problem.

Eddie Davidson 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

My thought is that a review should not feel like a roast or a shredding.

What I've read are impossible standards where no matter what you had done the person could have said you should have done it differently.

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times?" Who starts a story like that? which is it it? Best or worst! That's confusing. you suck, never write again, die in fire."

Is not a review. I cringe when I see what people wrote here because what I READ in reply. I don't know if they genuinely think they are being helpful, or they saw an opportunity to bash and they took it. I shouldn't have to guess which it was.

I did not read the same passages of your story they did so I could be wrong but I do not think so: These are my take aways.

1. Shows you are a writer with potential

2. Shows you have a passion for the setting

3. Shows you can craft a story.

You asked should you add visuals: Yes.

You asked about the setting:

Star Wars and Star Trek constantly took events like Fascist Germany or the Civil Rights movement and set them in some other setting but told stories about those things.

The backdrop where you tell your story should be whatever ou feel like. Could you have told the same story about two lovers in the time of Rome?

There would be different technology, and the time scale for the battles would be less instant and more dug in seiges and grueling marches.

But would these two people find each other and fall in love if they lived then?

What's important about the setting whether it is talking trees and elves, or WWII or future wars is that it feels authentic when you describe it, but it is not the story - like the stage of a play it helps frame the story.

As to the research of the setting, this is the internet and you used something that many people know about like military SOP.

I am not sure if they would be as critical of a HollyWood movie, but they butcher their settings constantly.

Bonanza made every horse the exact same size and height because it looked better on camera. That's not reality. So what - "poetic license"

If its salient to the story to have guards with pistols around prisoners, then maybe there was a recent change. The US is pushing to arm all unqualified teachers around the children they teach.

As to the POLITICS, even what I just said about the reality of gun regulation is going to make somebody angry - so I suppose my caveat is that:

If you want to be provcative do politics. If you would rather a nice happy life without some troll telling you "Go Brandon" or "Stay Brandon" or whatever it is that the left/right and "I am neither one (but really I am one)" are doing these days then stay clear of anything like that.

Personally, I generally steer clear in my stories. I am telling dick jerkers, not argument starters.

Lastly, I will emphasize my last point:

You've done the right thing by asking for constructive feedback and if what you read feels like that then that's fine. I hope it helps. To me it feels like some are ganging up on you and I hate that.

I would take whatever you want from this thread, and focus on what YOU think you might do differently next time, and write what YOU want to read.

Even if nobody else in the world likes it. That's what I do.

I guarantee you - somebody else in the world will. It may not be as broad of an appeal as Stephen King or whatever, but write for you and those people who like your stuff will read.

If I stopped the first time someone told me I was terrible -I would be done. Am I the best? no. Am I trying to be? also no.

I am trying to enjoy doing what I do. You should too.

Replies:   LupusDei  Marius-6  Mushroom
LupusDei 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

My thought is that a review should not feel like a roast or a shredding.

I would normally agree. Likewise I would find the above fine details discussion eyeroll worthy, but here it's justifiably provoked for a change.

As one of those provided quite a shredding in form of lengthy rant already... well, I do feel bad about it at some level, of course, but, well, the gist probably is, the politics of it is just too distracting and disturbing.

The story basically boils down to: out of circumstances he has little personal power over, a generic delusional villain enjoy apparent total success of his criminal behavior. With could, in theory, be a cool story when stated like that.

He holds extreme views, okay, nothing wrong with that as such. The lie he lives in is so transparent it could be satire, but if it was intended so, it certainly failed.

Those known lies or his views in general are never challenged within the story, to him there is no conflict or adversary to speak about, it's only constant success and reinforcement -- while highly likely falsely, that is left to reader's imagination. There's no hints about the unreliability of the point of view. Worse, I have been led to believe there exists a possibly sizable group of people in real world that seriously believe the exactly same set of lies. Taken together it becomes propaganda piece in service of those lies. Such propaganda isn't harmless, it provoke and fuel real world violence.

And the main character story is -- by no surprise in this light, even though it makes it worse even as propaganda -- rather uninteresting. As I said, there's no conflict, even no serious complications, it's all success and as expected in such, no character growth. He doesn't learn anything, his attitude towards anything or anyone doesn't notably change. No, not even the alleged love interest, in discernible way. (Although, tolerating it when she gains audacity to speak out of order over him could count). With wouldn't necessarily be a problem in porn, a stroke story where the descriptions and events are the goal in itself. Unfortunately, seeing it in such light makes it, well, quite disturbing.

Now, my kinks (basically, public nudity to keep it concise) are just too often accompanied with things I find rather abhorrent (such as: humiliation, violence, blackmail, rather strange sexual practices), but am generally able to tolerate. This still could have been great at least on that, despite of anything, but falls quite a bit short, as its focus is elsewhere, and I can't fail to notice it is on ammosexuality and other propaganda aspects.

Of the romance there's very little either. Okay, it's justified in his character to be unable to express emotions. But there's no self reflection either, no motivations to actions that could be potentially interpreted as romantically inspired.

Perhaps the closest to that is where he doesn't shave her head, but only shorten her hair. It's potentially very powerful scene (perhaps because in my personal opinion forcibly cutting someone's -- especially woman's -- hair is a crime and grave assault, besides, I both hold fetish level admiration for long hair on women and wear my own long). It's implied, both she and the reader with her are led to believe that he change his mind at the last moment. There could be many layers of that decision, but unfortunately -- or perhaps fortunately given the other context --, there's no reflection or motivation exploration, no doubt or even implied doubts, hesitation. Again the propaganda value of showing him as totally doubtless, unshakable finished ideal who knows every action in advance takes precedence. Even as such I would enjoy his rationalizations in this instance, how he would reconcile his wants to present them as purposeful.

Now, her story could be potentially very interesting: presented with impossible situation she finds equally disturbing and arousing, she develops survival strategy and embrace it, finding respect and personal success amid dystopia.

Well, the events described are within my ability to suppress disbelief, but the motivations would better not be attempted at all. Or if it was made clear that those are the main character's inept guesses, his wishful thinking. However, it wouldn't be as good propaganda then, so there's we getting it as genuine. Everything from here on I could possibly say would be just more wants to more or less subtly flip the politics.

Including, yeah, the "18th century called" ending. Cool in a way, if only its horror was somewhat acknowledged or narrator's unreliability finally revealed. If She was again wearing her hijab or even still nude... But yeah, that's my attempts of inserting my own and subvert the messaging.

We can argue that if it irritated at least a few people in position to do something to avoid such possible future as strongly as me, judging by the length of the rants I have produced here, it could be doing a good job. Alas, the experience says the damage done by such texts is usually far greater, mostly because the "alleged" audience it could influence this way would never read it through anyway, dropping as worthless few hundred words in at most. While the real, propaganda audience will use it for self satisfaction and reinforcement of their beliefs.

It's one thing to produce violent propaganda under repressive regime as precondition to get published, perhaps while inserting subversive symbols or codes the initiated resistance could hopefully catch and use. Something else is to do it willingly in, allegedly, still free society.

Replies:   Marius-6
Marius-6 🚫

@LupusDei

Thank you Lupus Dei, your post conveys much of what I feel and think on this matter, but more cogently, and with greater eloquence.

I am one of those people who could only get a couple hundred words into the story, and felt compelled to drop it. I could have gotten past the bad writing, and somehow managed to suppress my disbelief. What I could not escape is the Horror that some people may be "inspired" by this to "Do Something!"

A cry often uttered, with little or no thought that the response may be the exact opposite of what any rational person would want.

Well... Genocide is "something" and I suppose it might achieve something...

This all reminded me to re-read portions of: "The Embrace of Unreason" (France 1914-1940) by Frederick Brown

Marius-6 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

I think you have offered a better review of the story referenced in the OP, and advice to the author than is deserved.

Then, if we are Lucky, few of us will ever actually "Get What We Deserve..."

The advice you offer if good for many, if not most aspiring writers here. Thank you.

Replies:   Eddie Davidson
Eddie Davidson 🚫
Updated:

@Marius-6

I appreciate that.

Recently a troll on this site who feels entitled to keep messaging me after I told him to stop wanted to tell me why he was sending "civil negative feedback". I am positive if he does that to me he does that to other authors. What he thinks he is entitled to do is merely erosion of an author's desire to contribute. He's not helping.

Rather than bother Lajeez with it, I am just deleting unread. I shouldnt have to do that though.I feel like compared to this thread, I got off lucky.

Politely roasting someone and shredding them knocks them down. it feels like the intent of the roaster is to knock others down so they can be as miserable as the roaster - it just creates a toxic community where feedback is a tool to hurt.

We aren't sitting around a table and hearing the context of voices and the words I read made me cringe and feel in no way like participating. It was borderline ridicule.

I wish we were a group that built each other up. I think it's okay to offer advice on what people can do better, but there has to be a more tactful way than "Civil negative"

How about "Civil Constructive"?

I love the design of this site. Lajeez has made it SOOO easy for me as an author to post stories and read them. He's added so many cool things that I am still learning new tweaks he is made. That's why I am here - and it's hopeful to me that there are people like you and I who would rather see how we can help an author succeed.

Replies:   DBActive  Paladin_HGWT
DBActive 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

The author asked for these in his original post:

Basically, I'd like a review or two from the plot, technical quality, and appeal.

People variously responded that they thought the plot was awful, the technical quality was poor and the appeal was non-existent.

Then he complained that people did what he asked.

If the OP didn't want honest responses to his request, he shouldn't have requested "honest" reviews.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@DBActive

If the OP didn't want honest responses to his request, he shouldn't have requested "honest" reviews.

The problem was that his reasons/justification for doing things sounded defensive, but I don't think they were intended that way. He was simply explaining the reason he did something.

I've been accused of being defensive when commenting on feedback when all I was doing was explaining my reasons. I had a Development Editor review the synopsis of my first novel. In that novel, one of the heroes (a cop) murders people in cold blood. She said a hero cannot do that. I gave her examples of heroes who did ("Death Wish," "Jack Reacher," and others). We went back and forth without ever agreeing and that was the end of that relationship. Her opinion and mine were at odds. She never understood why I didn't agree with her because she was right and I was wrong.

Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

I love the design of this site. Lajeez has made it SOOO easy for me as an author to post stories and read them. He's added so many cool things that I am still learning new tweaks he is made. That's why I am here - and it's hopeful to me that there are people like you and I who would rather see how we can help an author succeed.

I completely agree with your comment!

I think that the vast majority of comments and PMs I get about my writing are Intended to be constructive, even if some feel harsh; or just wanting me to write in a style they would prefer.

In the US Army we tend to begin an AAR: After Action Review with the statement "No Thin Skins." Meaning the intent of an AAR is to consider how to perform our duties with the maximum chance of success, and the fewest possible casualties. Literally a matter of Life or Death. Another factor is "Any criticism should come with a suggestion for improvement." Of course, our stories here are not a matter of life and death (well perhaps for some characters, but not the writers or readers).

We aren't sitting around a table and hearing the context of voices and the words

Another excellent point. I have been in situations where lack of context, and/or inflection, and/or intent has resulted in very bad outcomes.

Oddly enough, I know several other writers here, and several readers who don't write, but sometimes comment, and have known them since before I was on this site. So, we get to meet and converse, so we may add context to our comments. For most other people here that is not possible.

I try to presume the best of intentions, unless a person disabuses me by directly stating a rude or hurtful intent (or obviously rude posts).

I am grateful for the responses I have gotten here on SOL in PMs, in the Forums, and such. I believe my writing has improved, and I have learned quite a bit, and not just about writing. I am on a limited income, exacerbated by current economic conditions. Still, I contribute a yearly subscription, so that we have such a great place to share stories and ideas.

Keep it Positive, Y'all!

Mushroom 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

Star Wars and Star Trek constantly took events like Fascist Germany or the Civil Rights movement and set them in some other setting but told stories about those things.

They are also not the POV characters, and not depicted as the "good guys".

And they avoided all attempts at politics. In fact, one thing that stood out was that politics were almost never brought up, the setting just assumed that humans had moved past things like racism. So any that still had such outdated concepts were generally regarded as being "retarded".

StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Mushroom

And they avoided all attempts at politics.

Apparently you've never watched TOS, then. Well, you probably watched it, but everyone knows me on here. :)

While it was 'Wagon Train to the Stars,' it also had multiple episodes regarding racism and politics. 'Let That Be Your Last Battlefield' was specifically designed to address racism, with Frank Gorshin Black on the right and white on the left, while Lou Antionio was White on the right, and black on the left.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

While it was 'Wagon Train to the Stars,' it also had multiple episodes regarding racism and politics.

I would see that to be honest more as social commentary than actual "politics". There is a big difference between the two.

Eddie Davidson 🚫
Updated:

@Mushroom

If you thought that Star Trek avoided all concept of Politics, I wish you would watch again.

You missed the point entirely. Those alien worlds were statements about the dangers of blowing ourselves up for no reason, excess greed, racism, etc.

It was always making a political statement - even one that humans can move past things like greed and provide for all in a post scarcity world is political btw.

Kirk kissing Uhuru was a "political statement" back then in the age of civil rights when it was ILLEGAL for a black person to marry a white in many states.

The most subversive thing about it was that they got away with it back then because they used sci fi to hide it in plain sight.

Star Trek Stange New Worlds - is absolutely oozing with an homage to what they did on TOS. It's like this gift to the fans who have been waiting to see it happen again. Watch the FIRST episode and tell me that aliens comign down to say "Look what earth was doing to itself and we stopped it, if you don't, you'll end up like us or worse"

Watch the last season of Picard. They are literally walking around our world going "Why did they do this? why did they round up people for the color of their skin and a silly imaginary line on a planets surface? why did they not provide for the sick when they had the means? why did they destroy the planet they had to live on? "

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

You missed the point entirely. Those alien worlds were statements about the dangers of blowing ourselves up for no reason, excess greed, racism, etc.

Once again, social commentary and not politics.

Yes, I am well aware that a lot of programs in the era were almost dripping with social commentary. Twilight Zone was another one.

But social commentary is not politics. A hell of a lot of the movies of Charlton Heston were very much in your face with the social commentary, but were not political.

Anything from The Greatest Show on Earth through The Omega Man, Planet of the Apes and Soylent Green were very heavy handed in their social commentary. But none were political.

Old man mason 🚫

@James Jay Madison

I have not read most of the posts on this topic, I have read the whole story and found it a good read. I served in the US Army, the National Guard and the US Army Reserve. After active duty in the very early 60s. I worked a prison guard for a state and on occasion I did carry a weapon in the prison, not on a regular basis but occasionally.

Getting back to the story, I enjoyed it. I thought it was written very well and was edited very well. After reading a number of the posts on the forum about this story, it is hard to believe these posts are about the story I read. Most of the posts sound like no one has ever read "Brave New World" nor "1984" nor most of Robert A. Heinlen's books. An author (fiction) writes from their imagination and it has nothing to do with real life. Read the entire story before you offer comments, that way you know what you are talking about. And always remember that it is supposed to be a FICTION story. Don't let your personal beliefs get in the way of a good story.

solreader50 🚫

@James Jay Madison

This story, this defense of the story and the gratuitous commentary would be better published in Reddit where trolls can feel more at home. As for the story, I didn't get to the end of the first page before I realised it was going to glorify that side of the American conservative character which would have been happy being Hitler's concentration camp guards. Goebbels would have been proud of you.

James Jay Madison 🚫

@solreader50

would have been happy being Hitler's concentration camp guards

You know what the funny part is? All I did was take an idea proposed by liberals about having to re-educate Trump supporters and how they should all be locked up in camps, flip THEIR script, and regurgitate it from the other perspective.

Replies:   DBActive  OmegaPet-58
DBActive 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

Years ago there was a filled rant on a political discussion forum. I reported it as a violation of the forum rules but the response was that the post would be allowed. I took it and replaced all the references to the attacked group with names of another group. No other changes.

I was immediately suspended from posting for posting hate speech.

Replies:   James Jay Madison
James Jay Madison 🚫

@DBActive

I was immediately suspended from posting for posting hate speech.

Like I said in my first post - Laz emailed me that this story set a record for number of requests to censor or otherwise pull it.

OmegaPet-58 🚫

@James Jay Madison

You have cited this claim more than once. Following the link you offer, it is a claim about Robert Reich, former US Labor Secretary.
THIS CLAIM IS A LIE. Robert Reich, nor any other liberal of any stature, has ever proposed putting conservatives in camps. If this was true, you could find an actual verified quote. YOU CAN'T.
BECAUSE IT IS A LIE.
And for you to use this lie to justify summarily executing imprisoned women for the crime of being liberal (in your story) is awful. It explains the heated reaction your story received.
You didn't write about a "re-education" camp. You wrote gleefully about a camp where defenseless prisoners were murdered, because they didn't want to publically defecate. Or they talked back. Or they were liberals, which was enough to make their lives forfeit.
It's not much of a "love story" when a terrorized prisoner shows love to the gestapo-like camp leader after he has cheerfully shot in the head prisoners all around her for little to no reason except hatred of their politics and/or ethnicity.
All you did was "flip their script?" Not their script. It's a fantasy of conservative victimhood. You get no credit for believing fringe fantasies and not caring about facts or truth.
Like the founding premise of your story, that somehow liberals stole (again) the national election from conservatives. That's a lie, too.

Replies:   James Jay Madison
James Jay Madison 🚫

@OmegaPet-58

You have cited this claim more than once. Following the link you offer, it is a claim about Robert Reich, former US Labor Secretary.
THIS CLAIM IS A LIE. Robert Reich, nor any other liberal of any stature, has ever proposed putting conservatives in camps. If this was true, you could find an actual verified quote. YOU CAN'T.
BECAUSE IT IS A LIE.

Okay, that's fine - Atkins wants reeducation camps and Reich was a Truth and Reconciliation Commission - but I'm lying. Sure. Are you on your fifth or sixth booster shot now?

https://www.lifezette.com/2020/11/dnc-official-suggests-re-education-for-trump-voters-how-do-you-deprogram-75-million-people/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/10/robert_reich_vows_purges_and_show_trials_targeting_conservatives_if_biden_is_elected.html

https://instapundit.com/407682/

Replies:   OmegaPet-58  OmegaPet-58
OmegaPet-58 🚫

@James Jay Madison

A "truth and reconciliation commission" is what Reich called for. The first one of those was in South Africa, I believe. Name any T&RC that created "camps." That's not what they do.
So, the lie remains.
"Reich vows purges and show trials" is a LIE. It's still a lie and relinking the same ignorant opinion doesn't make it true.
Second, one party official, not government official, said something that sounds stupid. Put him against L. Boebert or M. Greene, members of Congress, and he sounds like a visionary sage. Where's the balance?
And since you obviously can't put 70 million in "camps" his comment is irrelevant to your point, and a truly foolish thing for you to be so concerned about.
It amazes me how whiny and fragile some conservatives are, despite all their aggressive rhetoric and personal armories.

OmegaPet-58 🚫

@James Jay Madison

I'm over 60, so booster shots are good for me. Not one anti-vax claim has ever turned out to be true. They're just as stupid as the ones who think Wi Fi is dangerous.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@OmegaPet-58

Not one anti-vax claim has ever turned out to be true.

There is no such thing as a 100% safe vaccine. Every time you receive a vaccination, you're gambling that the risk is smaller than the risk of not being vaccinated, contracting whatever the vaccine is supposed to protect against, and suffering serious consequences.

AJ

Replies:   OmegaPet-58
OmegaPet-58 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I agree with that completely. For some individuals common vaccines can be very risky.
I was referring to anti-vax hoaxers who make false claims like "tracking microchips" in the C-19 vaccine, or mercury in the childhood jabs.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@OmegaPet-58

mercury in the childhood jabs

Some childhood did contain mercury compounds. In the UK, the Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR) vaccine contained it.

If 5G phone masts transmitted Covid, I wonder what 6G phone masts will transmit. ;-)

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
Updated:

@awnlee jawking

Some childhood did contain mercury compounds.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html

Specifically Thimerosal, which was used as a preservative to extend shelf life of multi-dose vaccine vials.

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which unlike methylmercury (found in certain types of fish) is quickly and easily flushed from the human body and does not build up to harmful levels.

On the other hand, they stopped using it in childhood vaccines because some people are allergic to it and they found better alternatives.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Dominions Son

I didn't know a few people were allergic. IIRC, the message here was that it was totally inert. We call it Thiomersal BTW. I think it's been removed from all UK vaccines, but the driver was public disquiet about the possible harmful effects of mercury ingestion.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@awnlee jawking

but the driver was public disquiet about the possible harmful effects of mercury ingestion.

I've not heard of vaccines administered orally. All the vaccines I am familiar with are injections. :)

As to issues with mercury ingestion, that's either methylmercury, which can build up in the body over time, or metallic mercury.

As to ethylmercury, pure metallic sodium and pure chlorine gas are very toxic, but sodium chloride is a necessary nutrient.

The fact that metallic mercury and one particular mercury compound are toxic doesn't mean that other mercury compounds are necessarily toxic.

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@Dominions Son

I've not heard of vaccines administered orally. All the vaccines I am familiar with are injections. :)

Sabin vaccine for polio - oral on sugar cubes is the best know but there are others, as well as nasal vaccines. They are currently working on a nasal spray vaccine for COVID.

"At least nine mucosal vaccines are approved for use in people, against pathogens including poliovirus, influenza and cholera. Eight of these vaccines are taken orally, and one, against flu, is administered intranasally.

The oral polio vaccine, which induces immunity in the gut, is highly successful and comes close to achieving sterilizing immunity. In rare cases, however, this live attenuated vaccine will mutate and cause illness. For other diseases, mucosal vaccines haven't been so successful β€” sometimes because the vaccine doesn't generate a sufficiently strong immune response, and sometimes because it triggers side effects. The Swiss vaccine company Berna Biotech in Bern pulled its intranasal flu vaccine off the market in 2001, for instance, after discovering that it increased the risk of temporary facial paralysis.

A product called FluMist, a live attenuated intranasal vaccine against influenza that is approved in the United States and Europe, outperforms the intramuscular version in young children1. Adults might also find it more convenient to have a vaccine sprayed up the nose, rather than injected. But FluMist hasn't worked as well in adults. That's because many have had years to build up some immunity to flu viruses. Even if this immunity isn't strong enough to prevent the disease, adults' mucosal immune responses might still block the attenuated vaccine from infecting nasal cells, or clear it before it has a chance to do its job.

"It's a balancing act between making sure the vaccine doesn't cause illness, and yet replicates enough to elicit mucosal immunity in people who have had some experience with the virus," says Kanta Subbarao, director of the World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza in Melbourne, Australia. Researchers don't yet know if this issue might also affect COVID-19 intranasal vaccines."

Replies:   OmegaPet-58
OmegaPet-58 🚫

@DBActive

I just wanted to clarify my comment, "mercury in childhood jabs": it is dishonest to claim US children are being exposed to mercury by the vaccines currently available to them. Thimerosal was taken out years ago. But there are dishonest anti-vaxxers still arguing this component currently threatens children with mercury poisoning.

Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@solreader50

Solreader50, I agree with you 90%

Except that I perceived it as being so poorly written that I though "surely a Left-Wing Extremist posted this Drek to make everyone Right of Center seem to be "Ebil"...

I believe we may agree that it is "Troll Fodder"...

Cheers!

Marc Nobbs 🚫

@James Jay Madison

James,
I've followed this thread since it posted and thought I'd read your work and try and do what you've asked – offer an honest review. I don't do this often, but in the early part of this century (around 2000-2008) I was a member of Desdmona's Fishtank, which was a site where members would post early drafts of their work (usually just short stories) to get feedback from other writers, so "constructive criticism" is something I have experience of – both giving and receiving.

Further, as a British citizen, I'd like to think I can offer an "outside" view. Yes, I have my views of the political situation in the USA (and over here, but let's not go there) but it's really "none of my business" and I certainly do get as emotional and riled up about it as US citizens would obviously do. Nor do I have any great understanding of the US constitution or legal system beyond TV series and Hollywood movies – so, not much at all really. So I offer no comment on the politics of this piece (or I will try not to) nor on any of the legal aspects.

All that being said, let's get to it. I hope you take my comments in the spirit they are intended.

I finished reading the story on Wednesday, but I've been thinking about how to respond to your request for a few days.

Let's start with your, well, "plea" for want of a better word, to put the setting aside and concentrate on the plot and characters. On the "craft" of the story, if you like. The problem with this is that the setting *is* the story – you can't separate out the plot and characters from the setting because, given where Anderson and el-Azizi are at the start of the story, I don't believe they would ever have even *met*, let alone fallen in love, were not they forced together in this way.

So let's discuss that setting. I'm afraid it strikes me as a deliberate attempt to rub people up the wrong way. That may not be your intent, but it's how it comes across to me. As I said, as an outsider I'm trying to put any political opinions I have on the state of your country out of my mind and approach it as if it were a completely "fictional" time and place. But that's incredibly difficult – hell, it's near impossible. You say in your original post here that you didn't mention any "current" politicians, but you didn't need to. When a character speaks about "President Senility" it's quite clear who they mean. Also, very interesting that you say "current" because the characters here sure don't hold back from naming former politicians – one female one in particular – or hold back their disdain for them. You also say that you don't mention any political parties but, again, you don't need to name them directly, it quite clear who you meant.

And that's why I think the whole thing is just an attempt to rile people up for shits and giggles. I might be wrong, but that's how it appears to me. I also think your reactions to the comments people have made don't help, but I'll discuss that at the end of this post and explain why.

In my honest opinion, the problem is that it's set "too close" into the near future. It would have been better, I would suggest, to set this after, say, the 2044 or even 2064 elections. This "separation" of time works much better for these dystopian tales. "The Handmaid's Tale" for example, was written in 1985, but set around 2005 (it's believed – it's never actually stated), so that's twenty years into "the future". The best example, of course, is 1984, which was written in '49 – a thirty-six year "leap" into the future.

For an example from Stories Online, Irish Writer's "Classy Conversions" was written in 2011 but set in a *very* dystopian 2100+ (again, I don't think the actual year is specified but we do get a potted history at the start that mentions 2060, 2070 & 2100).

If you haven't read "Classy Conversions" by the way, then give it a go. Very good example of how to do thought provoking dystopian fiction.
Okay, enough on the setting, let's move on.

You ask if this is a believable love story. I find that a difficult question to answer. El Azizi does mention "Stockholm Syndrome", I believe, but only to deny that's what is happening. But, of course, she would deny it. To me, it's clear that's what's going on. So, from that point of view, yes, it's believable. But…

But, I simply cannot buy the speed with which el-Azizi's views not just change but flip completely one-eighty. She changes her entire, life-long held, political outlook after what? Watching a few war movies? Or is that flip in her view also part of the Stockholm Syndrome? I suppose it could be. I don't know.

What I do find believable is her zeal after her "re-education". There's none so zealous as the convert, after all.

But for me, where this story falls short as a love story is that we don't get to see enough intimacy between Anderson & El Azizi. You say they are both flawed and suffer from loss via a shared event, but this is hardly mentioned at all. It's briefly discussed, but not nearly enough to give me, as a reader, any sense at all that this has bought them together. Instead, I think far too much time is spent discussing the re-education experiment. If this is genuinely supposed to be a love story, I'd have wanted to see far more of the time they sent alone discussing their lives and their past, and far less of what was going on in the camp. If this is a love story, then what is happening in the camp is secondary, by some distance, to what is happening between our protagonists. That's my personal preference.

I'll give you an example. Chapter 20 opens with this line…

"That night, el-Azizi held Anderson tightly as he finally let some of his emotions loose that he'd kept buried, comforting him as he cried because he was again feeling the mental effects of his memories from service in Iraq. The final words before they both fell asleep between them were to tell each other they loved the other."

…and that's all we get. The next sentence, it's next morning and we're in the training ground again. There's another quick conversation where Anderson says that el-Azizi is joining his deceased wife in his heart not replacing her but… That little paragraph above – that's a whole chapter. Or should be. That's your chance, as an author, to *show* us how she realises he's more emotional than she's ever seen him. To *show* us his emotion. To *show* us her comforting him, the whispered reassurances and tender expressions of love. It's scenes like this that the story should have focused on.

You asked if you should have supplied a picture of the camp. No, I don't care about the *exact* layout of the camp. It's irrelevant. In my next release, I 've spent a few hundred words describing a particular building. But the picture I paint will be different in someone else's mind after reading it than it is in mine as I write it, and that's fine. It doesn't matter. It's no more important to the *story* than the layout of this camp is. The bulk of that chapter where I describe the building is about the way two characters flirt and get closer until something snaps. Then the whole of the next chapter is a sit-down discussion between them where they talk about their feelings and their fears. That's what's really missing from your story – the long, emotional discussions between two characters where something between them changes and brings them closer together. There are snatches of it, brief glimpses. The time they spend in the shower together, for example, could be expanded on greatly and give a real insight into their feelings and how they change, but they don't really do that. All too often these brief character and relationship moments are rushed or glossed over in favour of more discussion of the experiment and camp life.

I finished "Against All Enemies" feeling like I didn't really know any of the characters I'd read about and, probably worse, didn't care about them at all. I didn't like them. I didn't dislike them. I just didn't care. And that's because, for me, far too much time was spent on the setting and the situation, and not enough time on the characters and their feelings and relationships.

Now, that's just my opinion. I didn't take away from this story what I want to take away from a story. Others may well have enjoyed this and felt satisfied by the end.

Finally, I said above that I thought that some of your reactions to the comments both here and on the story, fed into my belief that the story was written and posted to rile people up. Let me try and explain why I get that impression. Your reactions come across, to me, as quite angry and aggressive. Now, there's always danger in trying to fit emotions to postings in a forum like this, but we are all human and all apply a "tone" to what we read. The "tone" of some of your replies is that of someone who has asked for criticism, but doesn't like it when they get it. The tone of someone who knows they are "right" and doesn't want to be challenged. That's just my impression. I have no idea how you felt when you wrote those replies, but I know how it made me feel when I read them. They are the kind of antagonistic replies we see so often on various social media platforms. I won't give specific examples, although there are many, but I urge you to reread some of your replies and think about how you'd feel had they been replies to *you*.

As writers we have to develop *very* thick skins. Not everyone is going to like what you write. Lots of people will find fault in your characters, your plots, your style and your craft. But you have to take that on the chin and not overreact. You have to keep a civil tongue in your head and not "feed the troll" by reacting they way they want. It's part of being a writer, I afraid. You take the rough with the smooth, the good with the bad. Thank you for writing this story and sharing it with us. M

Replies:   Marius-6  Justin Case
Marius-6 🚫

@Marc Nobbs

Brilliant Review.

I don't agree with everything Marc Nobbs said. However, he conveys his opinions in a clear manner, offers examples, and suggests improvements that could benefit most writers who read his post.

My disagreement with his points has to do with some comments about emotion. Really more of a quibble. I do agree that in most stories if a reader is not interested, at least a bit "emotionally involved" with at least one character, they are likely to be ambivalent, at best, about the story.

Justin Case 🚫
Updated:

@Marc Nobbs

Finally, I said above that I thought that some of your reactions to the comments both here and on the story, fed into my belief that the story was written and posted to rile people up. Let me try and explain why I get that impression. Your reactions come across, to me, as quite angry and aggressive. Now, there's always danger in trying to fit emotions to postings in a forum like this, but we are all human and all apply a "tone" to what we read. The "tone" of some of your replies is that of someone who has asked for criticism, but doesn't like it when they get it. The tone of someone who knows they are "right" and doesn't want to be challenged. That's just my impression. I have no idea how you felt when you wrote those replies, but I know how it made me feel when I read them. They are the kind of antagonistic replies we see so often on various social media platforms. I won't give specific examples, although there are many, but I urge you to reread some of your replies and think about how you'd feel had they been replies to *you*.

Thankfully, we have the NATURAL RIGHT (bestowed by our creator and not government or man... and verified/recognized by MANY governmental charters in truly free countries) to our opinions and beliefs, and to exercise them AND speak them aloud.

Unfortunately, not one single person has ANY Right to "not be offended" by what we say or write.

And maybe... could possibly be... the author didn't care to tolerate the criticism of those who replied from a position directly opposite his core beliefs.

There's a LOT of us out here in the real world who are just fed up to infinity with being jumped on and demonized every time we voice our opinions.
So much so that we EXPECT some sort of whacko pushback before we even begin to voice.

Don't be fooled, it's getting dangerously close to the point where the antagonists exceed our ability to just "smile at the idiots" and remain civilized.

I see a "venting" of some of that kind of buildup in this story, and many others. And by venting, I mean the same way that little vent thingie works on a pressure cooker.

Hell, I immediately dismiss the lunatic fringe ravings of almost every moon-bat every time that I hear them spouting the modern "new-speak".

Why?

Because I am smart enough to know that "1984" was written as a WARNING, not a playbook for the future.

Earlier in this thread we saw the mention of "Civil War 2".
Likely with tongue in cheek.
But it's serious business, and VERY possible if certain factions don't back off and stop trying to force their change on people who prefer things as they were.

I welcome ANYTHING that vents the pressure and keeps the peace. (old style peace)

Justin Case 🚫
Updated:

@James Jay Madison

I read several chapters and then laid it down and didn't get back to it.

I LIKE IT !!

But then I also like the CLASSICS: "Against all Enemies", "TEOTWAWKI", "The Collapse", "Lights Out", and "Unintended Consequences".

Writers of "Survival" and "Patriot" fiction are ALWAYS demeaned and relegated to the fringe.

Just go 'google' the term "Patriot Fiction" or "Survival Fiction" and see for yourself.

BUT... I only have to look online for the hard copies of the aforementioned books, and see how they are "sold out" or going for many times their original selling prices, and I realize that the fringe leftys and PC crowd are of no consequence.

Anyone who believes using "cancel culture" to silence voices and words they don't like is the very definition of being a fascist.
Those people and their actions are legitimate and proper NOWHERE outside of the old USSR or 1940 Germany, and they are the real danger to ALL of our freedoms.
They are the book burners reincarnated.

A quick read of my stories will likely weed out many of those who want "change" in our society. Mainly because I don't fall for the mentally deficient ideals that are being forced on us right now.

(like the gender crap, lawlessness in favor of anarchy, socialism/communism, overreaching government, and as mentioned... CANCEL CULTURE)

But I'm sure as can be that I wouldn't spread near as much sand in vaginas if I wrote about communist utopias, ruled by tyrannical narcissists, and filled with wonderful new social rules allowing a guy to bang his family members and impregnate them to his hearts' content.

Same if the characters are gay or bi, or if they have some sexual dysfunction like ingesting toilet fodder or engaging in pseudo-pedophilia.

Just write your stories and let the whiners whine my friend. Most of them have written ZERO stories themselves, and a goodly number can't even string Five words together into a coherent (or properly spelled) sentence without the help of a computer program or other people.

Your story ROCKS. Be proudly unapologetic of YOUR works.

You have the RIGHT to your political, religious, and moral opinion. And there ain't NOBODY that has the right to try and stop you from expressing them or having them.

And just a hint... TEOTWAWKI fiction is going to be a HUGE part of my upcoming stories. So the heat will likely be deflected from you quite a bit.

Back to Top

 

WARNING! ADULT CONTENT...

Storiesonline is for adult entertainment only. By accessing this site you declare that you are of legal age and that you agree with our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.


Log In