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joyR 🚫

Not a bug but the "Tags and Sex Contents Definitions" does not contain a description for "Illustrated", not even "self explanatory".

However that isn't the point of this post.

How few illustrations should there be for a story to qualify as illustrated? It could argued that a single illustration follows by text isn't an illustrated story, it is a story with cover art.

The old pocketbook/novels almost always had an illustrated cover. None purported to be illustrated. Laving aside the discussion of whether a picture and a couple of paragraphs of text actually qualifies as a story, shouldn't "illustrated" require more that just a single illustration?

A common writing challenge is to choose (or be assigned|) an illustration to inspire the writer. A past SoL competition was based upon a picture challenge. (The Knocker) None of products of these challenges are considered "illustrated", even though the illustration is usually included ahead of the text.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@joyR

I expect the sex contents is wrong too because they're ill lust-rated ;-)

AJ

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@joyR

The illustrated tag is added when the images help the story somehow. Covers don't count. For example, all stories by Master Jonathan have covers, they don't get the illustrated tag. But Matt Twassel do even when it's just one because the image adds to the story.

Jody Daniel's stories get the illustrated tag even though the images are not sexual, but they add to the story.

The illustrated tag cannot be selected by the authors themselves because in the past many added it even though their stories don't have illustrations because illustrated stories get too many hits just for that tag.

Replies:   Keet  joyR
Keet 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

The illustrated tag cannot be selected by the authors themselves because in the past many added it even though their stories don't have illustrations because illustrated stories get too many hits just for that tag

That reminds me of a recent thread where comic books were mentioned. Difficult to get authors for that but there are apparently readers interested. Could be another site in the long run although there's already a lot of competition out there. I don't how much of that competition is in the erotic genre.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@Keet

comic books … Difficult to get authors for that

Because the author has to be an artist as well.

Replies:   helmut_meukel
helmut_meukel 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Because the author has to be an artist as well.

Not always.
It's the same thing as with opera, operetta, cantata or musical: composer and librettist can be the same person or two persons. Richard Wagner (composer and librettist) vs. Lorenzo Da Ponte and Mozart. Librettist and composer may work close together for several works or just for one work.
Rodgers and Hammerstein, Gilbert and Sullivan. The libretto may be first and the composer writes his music for it.

With comics there is Asterix:
RenΓ© Goscinny was the writer and Albert Uderzo the artist. After Goscinny's death Uderzo took over the writer's part too. IMHO, those works were less funny.

BTW, for editions in foreign languages the translator may have heavily influenced the success. The German editions of Disney's comics were translated for more the five decades by Erica Fuchs.

HM.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@helmut_meukel

can be the same person or two persons.

I guess I should have said, "Because the author has to be an artist or work with an artist."

When I got paid to write comic scripts, I turned the scripts over to the artist. But now, if I want to write a comic book, I don't know of an artist to collaborate with which is why I said the author has to be an artist.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@Switch Blayde

An Illustrated story is a story with rows and layers.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@Dominions Son

An Illustrated story is a story with rows and layers.

I don't know what you mean by "rows and layers." An illustrated book is a book with illustrations. My point was the author, unless he can draw, needs an artist to draw the illustrations.

Replies:   joyR  Keet  Dominions Son
joyR 🚫

@Switch Blayde

An illustrated book is a book with illustrations

I agree, but we are both wrong. A single illustration is sufficient.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater  Keet
Ernest Bywater 🚫

@joyR

A single illustration is sufficient.

More accurate to says: A single illustration within the book is sufficient as cover art alone is not. Most of my stories have cover art but no illustrations depicting scenes in the story so those stories with just cover art are not illustrated stories. Mind you I do not include floor plans and site plans as being within the definition of an illustration as they do not depict an actual story scene.

Replies:   joyR  helmut_meukel
joyR 🚫

@Ernest Bywater

More accurate to says: A single illustration within the book is sufficient as cover art alone is not.

When a 'story' consists of one image and a few hundred words, do you consider the image cover art if it precedes the text, but an illustration if it is between paragraphs?

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater 🚫

@joyR

When a 'story' consists of one image and a few hundred words, do you consider the image cover art if it precedes the text, but an illustration if it is between paragraphs?

I'd direct that one to Lazeez as I'd put the image at the start as cover art because for a few hundred words they'd appear on the same page regardless of where you put it.

My story Knocker! was in response to a contest about an image. The story is only 817 words and if I had been able to use the copyrighted image I'd have attached it as cover art.

Replies:   Keet
Keet 🚫
Updated:

@Ernest Bywater

My story Knocker! was in response to a contest about an image. The story is only 817 words and if I had been able to use the copyrighted image I'd have attached it as cover art.

Do an image search for "doorballs" and you will most likely find one of the images non-copyrighted.

ETA: It would be a bad image for a cover because it gives away the punchline of the story even before the story starts. A link after the last sentence in the story might be much better.

Ernest Bywater 🚫
Updated:

@Keet

Do an image search for "doorballs" and you will most likely find one of the images non-copyrighted.

edit to add:

for those interested the image is available here:

https://storiesonline.net/contest/The-Knocker
I know where to find the actual image that was used in the contest, but it's from a film and thus copyrighted and the story fails if you use a doorknocker that is NOT that image. yes, many people have unlawfully copied the image, but I do not breach copyright.

Ernest Bywater 🚫

@Keet

It would be a bad image for a cover because it gives away the punchline of the story even before the story starts. A link after the last sentence in the story might be much better.

as cover art for such a short story it would appear above the story text.

helmut_meukel 🚫

@Ernest Bywater

Most of my stories have cover art but no illustrations depicting scenes in the story so those stories with just cover art are not illustrated stories. Mind you I do not include floor plans and site plans as being within the definition of an illustration as they do not depict an actual story scene.

Hmm,
thinking of your story "Mack" if the pictures of the Landrover ambulance would be part of the story instead of a internet address, would this then match your interpretation of illustrated?

HM.

Afterthought: why did you do it that way? Copyright issues?

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater 🚫

@helmut_meukel

Hmm,
thinking of your story "Mack" if the pictures of the Landrover ambulance would be part of the story instead of a internet address, would this then match your interpretation of illustrated?

HM.

Afterthought: why did you do it that way? Copyright issues?

If I had embedded the actual image, yes it then becomes an illustration to the story.

I put in the URL for 2 reasons: (1) copyright concerns, as I don't violate other people's copyright, and (2) the site has more than the one image and by sending people to the site they can look at the other images and see the other information.

Keet 🚫

@joyR

I agree, but we are both wrong. A single illustration is sufficient.

Arguable, just a single illustration or cover is not enough for an illustrated tag. I agree with Ernest's take on the subject.

Keet 🚫

@Switch Blayde

My point was the author, unless he can draw, needs an artist to draw the illustrations.

Or use photo's and maps like Jody Daniel does. An illustration doesn't necessarily have to be a drawing from an artist. You do have to be careful with copyright protected material.

Dominions Son 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I don't know what you mean by "rows and layers."

Aisles & Strata.

joyR 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

For example, all stories by Master Jonathan have covers, they don't get the illustrated tag.

Actually 146 of his stories (over half) DO have the illustrated tag. (I checked because after reading your reply i noticed one of his stories posted earlier today has the illustrated tag.)

That aside thank you for your explanation.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@joyR

Actually 146 of his stories (over half) DO have the illustrated tag.

I didn't realize Vixen was doing that.

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