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Freyrs_stories ๐Ÿšซ

I have a problem in the late stage of my current story. one of the supporting characters is using a grey hat to find information, but he has incest in his past. he also has a court order to stay away from his niece, nephew and sister. I'm trying to work out a way to keep the court order records away from the grey hat and the only thing I can come up with so far is that the order is a ruse made by the ex-husband. it fits his personality but i'm not sure it will work out right.

anyone got any insight to this snafu I find myself in?

The Outsider ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

The order had an expiration date the ex forgot about, so it didn't get renewed? Might work if the ex's lawyer isn't worth a damnโ€ฆ

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Freyrs_stories ๐Ÿšซ

@The Outsider

nah, doesn't work with the theme or setting. the whole point of the order is to prevent brother and sister have the other in their lives. the ex wants to keep her isolated and miserable. he's a real piece of work that way. and even then the information the brother is using the grey hat to find comes from the same period that the order was made, so its a matter of record just waiting to blow up in his face. originally it was meant to be a point of adversity to overcome but right now I'm not sure how. perhaps honesty is the best policy. the relationship between the brother and the grey hat is professional and he has a very strict moral code. something like no women no children sort of thing.

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The Outsider ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

It may be then that you have to leave that obstacle in place, even to the point of the sister finding someone else to fill the void (however you as the author defines that void) left by the brother. Maybe only then can the sister find the strength to challenge the order.

AmigaClone ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

I'm trying to work out a way to keep the court order records away from the grey hat and the only thing I can come up with so far is that the order is a ruse made by the ex-husband. it fits his personality but i'm not sure it will work out right.

How would the grey hat react to incest?

Perhaps the best solution would be to admit to the existence of the court order but claim that there was nothing between the brother and sister. Claiming that the court order was made to prevent the sister from contacting her brother.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

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using a grey hat

What's a gray hat?

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

What's a gray hat?

Between a White Hat and a Black Hat, no joke:
https://www.techopedia.com/definition/15450/gray-hat-hacker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_hat

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Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

Between a White Hat and a Black Ha

Thanks. Never heard those terms. I read the OP as having a magical gray hat that gave powers, but the rest didn't make sense.

Freyrs_stories ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

so this is what I have:
a brother and sister have an incestuous past.
the sister gets married and then divorced. part of the fallout of the divorce is the ex-husband gets a court order to keep the brother and sister apart.
the brother contacts a gray hat to get into the finances and history of the divorce that the husband screwed his wife over after finding out about her past.

So how do I prevent the hacker from finding the paper trail to incest and ruining the brother and sister's lives all over again if he's not so understanding

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

So how do I prevent the hacker from finding the paper trail to incest and ruining the brother and sister's lives all over again if he's not so understanding

Divine intervention.

Realistically? You'd need an even better hacker to hide/destroy that information first.

happytechguy15 ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

I had to look it up too.

What if a white hat is of the personality that everything us black and white. The rules must always be followed. What if a black hat will always be on the bad side. Would it be too far to think a grey hat may have skeletons or secrets in his or her closet? That a grey hat might be more inclined to bend the rules for someone treated unjustly? Could a person shop around and ask hypothetical questions? Or what if the brother and the grey hat met years ago? childhood? School? College? Would a female grey hat be more likely to help?

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ
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@Freyrs_stories

the sister gets married and then divorced. part of the fallout of the divorce is the ex-husband gets a court order to keep the brother and sister apart.

How does an ex get a court order mandating who his adult ex-wife may associate with?

A protective order protects the person requesting the protection, not third parties.

Unless there are kids at risk, or the ex-wife is adjudged to be mentally incompetent to make her own decisions, I'd think he would have no say-so in the situation.

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

Unfortunately, some family court judges think that they are a law unto themselves and are not bound in any way by either the Constitution or statutory law.

https://www.pafamilylawllc.com/family-court-judge-suspended

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-disaster-after-another-how-family-court-judge-failed-families-n1275562

Both of the above links are about the same judge. Note from the second link that she was on the bench for 6 years before anything got done about the way she was treating people appearing before her.

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

A nice .308 sized hole in that hat takes care of the problem permanently.

Freyrs_stories ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

Okay, I've solved this. It was a solution to another problem that I was headed towards as part of a climax. thing is I'm not sure how long it is since this sort of thing is done any more.

The problem:
a brother and sister have an incestual relationship in the past. they are both teens at the time.
The brother is banished from the family never to return. he no longer exists as far as the parents are concerned.

about a year later the sister writes a letter to her brother, as a way of ending their relationship on her own terms. the mother finds the letter and despite there was no way to actually send it to the brother, also banishes the sister. but as she is still young she gets adopted by a friends family. so she gets a new name and everything.

the catch is that she also gets a new birth certificate that gives her a new mother and father. this means that when she marries her husband many years later she has to choose which birth certificate to use to marry under.

the reason for the court order is that the soon to be ex-husband finds out about the past (the teenage past) he does not (at the moment) find out about about the adult reunion relationship, though this was ended years before the husband comes into the picture.

So the solution is that the 'sister' has a different identity when she is married that separates her from the brother. it also means that there is room for the brother and sister to reunite again once the court order is overturned. I think I have to be careful with the dual identity thing lest it be deus-ex-machina.

to complicate matters I have to find a thread to stitch together so that the sister's twins who are also in an incestual relationship get together some how. The relationship builds over the course of the story, from just close twins showing compassion for each other turns sexual and romantic. not just pure teen lust.

Even though I'm 80K words in to the story I've barely described the twins, besides the son has his uncles 'eyes' and the daughter is petite. I'm fighting to work out how to have their hair the colours I want. I was thinking black for the boy and red for the girl but those are at opposite ends of the genetic pool as far as how colours are generated by melanin type proteins. the name of which escape me right now.

so there is a hint that the son looks like his uncle, so maybe something happened there? though we know nothing did. it's just ammo for the husband.

So I think I have an 'out', but its not the out I originally envisaged but it may have to do.

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