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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

I guess we're all familiar with the superhero archetype where the half-witted man of steel blithely walks into traps and ambushes but wins every fight because he's impervious to bullets etc.

Is there an established sub-genre for protagonists with an extremely weak superpower, who have to be very smart how they employ it to overcome more powerful antagonists? Does it have a name?

As an example, how about the power to make the digits of an antagonist's hand temporarily insubstantial, so they can't fire a gun or make a fist.

AJ

whisperclaw ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I'm not aware of a sub-genre name like that, but there is a loose classification system based on how powerful you are. It ranges from Cosmic level (Captain Marvel) down to Street level (Punisher, Black Widow). I don't think that's exactly what you're looking for, though.

Protagonists who figure out how to use their "weak" power in creative and effective ways are no longer "weak" though.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@whisperclaw

Protagonists who figure out how to use their "weak" power in creative and effective ways are no longer "weak" though.

I can vaguely remember an animated movie in which the son of the top superhero goes to superhero school. Those who don't display a worthwhile superpower by a certain age train as sidekicks.

I think the superheroes all get captured and it's up to the sidekicks, including the superhero's son, to save the day with ingenuity and limited powers. IMO the movie is ruined by mixed messages - it's okay to be a sidekick and you can still save the day, then the superhero's son belatedly develops monumental superpowers.

'Sidekick' is not a sub-genre that would describe the sort of story I'm thinking of, although I'm enjoying Sea-Life's take on the subject in 'The Gadgeteer'.

AJ

StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I can vaguely remember an animated movie in which the son of the top superhero goes to superhero school. Those who don't display a worthwhile superpower by a certain age train as sidekicks.

Not animated - 'Sky High', with Kurt Russell and Kelly Preston

Or you could be thinking of the animated show, 'Invincible', but in that one, the previous main superhero was from another planet and sent here to prepare us for invasion.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

Not animated - 'Sky High', with Kurt Russell and Kelly Preston

Thank you. I don't think I'd ever have remembered it without help.

AJ

Quasirandom ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

There's also the similar We Can Be Heroes, where it's not sidekicks of the heroes but their still developing children who have to get clever to save the day. It's by the guy who did Spy Kids, and one set of parents is Shark Boy and Lava Girl.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Quasirandom

There's also the similar We Can Be Heroes

I'm not familiar with that one. I'll keep a lookout for it.

AJ

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Quasirandom ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

It's a Netflix original.

whisperclaw ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

There is an excellent story here about a kid who always knows to whom a lost item belongs and a vague sense of where that person is. The way he uses the power is just the type of story you are talking about. I'm on my phone and can't easily search it, but maybe someone else here will know what I'm talking about.

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Quasirandom ๐Ÿšซ

@whisperclaw

I vaguely remember that, but can't place it ATM. I do remember at the time being reminded of Emma Bill's Finder.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Is there an established sub-genre for protagonists with an extremely weak superpower, who have to be very smart how they employ it to overcome more powerful antagonists? Does it have a name?

In my "Night of Madness" series I have individuals with a wide variety of powers, both strong and trivial. And some of the discussions are about how some are able to take what seems almost insignificant powers very powerful.

One that appears at varying levels is analysis and prediction. And one was able to hone that to the point where they could almost predict what somebody would do in a fight, and be able to use that to defeat them. No other real power, but almost like Downey Jr. in the "Sherlock Holmes" movie.

And the narrator of the first story had an almost trivial one to them, impervious but nothing else. Hence, using himself for most of it as little more than a "human battering ram", until they learned about other powers that were not so obvious and more subtle.

And the movie "Mystery Men" was rather similar. The Blue Raja, who could throw any cutlery very accurately, but not knives. One that can turn invisible only when nobody is looking, and another who can make others pass out from their farts.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

I have individuals with a wide variety of powers, both strong and trivial.

Some internet searches suggested that Superhero authors and fans seem to think every fiction genre is potentially a sub-genre of the Superhero genre, which is not particularly helpful.

One website classified superhero powers by type, and that could be used to construct sub-genres. However I don't see an obvious mapping between superpower type and strength.

AJ

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Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Some internet searches suggested that Superhero authors and fans seem to think every fiction genre is potentially a sub-genre of the Superhero genre, which is not particularly helpful.

That is true, if you start with the assumption that the only qualifier is that they be above normal in some way. Sam Spade and Sherlock Holmes are very good in deductive reasoning. Strider and company can run for great distances. But I think you will find that most do not accept that as a definition.

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

In the 1980's there were the New Mutants, "understudies" for the X-Men and Professor Xaviar's School for Gifted Children. Several of them "graduated" to becoming X-Men, but most had not developed (or lacked control) of their powers.

Some had quite limited powers, such as Cypher who could only translate languages. Another could only create art "sculptures" out of light.

In the 1990's there was a short run graphic novel series Sidekicks that were more like Junior High kids with developing super powers, most the off spring of Heroes (many not quite super heroes that wanted their kids to be better prepared).

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Paladin_HGWT

Thank you.

I guess there's no simple solution to what I'm looking for. I really dislike the idea of my weak superhero being called a sidekick, because that implies subordination to a stronger superhero.

Now if only we had the distinction of superheroes and hyperheroes, like supermarkets and hypermarkets ;-)

AJ

JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Would the LitRPG stories with weak starting characters like a goblin, or even an NPC be anything closer to what you are looking for? Admittedly, those characters usually "level up."

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@JoeBobMack

No, the superhero acquires a 'superpower' and that's it. Any improvements come from learning how to use it to advantage.

AJ

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I guess there's no simple solution to what I'm looking for. I really dislike the idea of my weak superhero being called a sidekick, because that implies subordination to a stronger superhero.

What it really sounds like is that you are looking for something like Batman, The Punisher, or The Question.

Heroes with no "super powers" at all, who get by on wit, intelligence, martial prowess, and the occasional cool weapon/gadget.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Heroes with no "super powers" at all, who get by on wit, intelligence, martial prowess, and the occasional cool weapon/gadget.

No, the superhero definitely has a paranormal advantage but has no martial prowess and no cool gadgets.

AJ

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

In the 1980's there were the New Mutants, "understudies" for the X-Men and Professor Xaviar's School for Gifted Children. Several of them "graduated" to becoming X-Men, but most had not developed (or lacked control) of their powers.

Some had quite limited powers, such as Cypher who could only translate languages. Another could only create art "sculptures" out of light.

In the 1990's there was a short run graphic novel series Sidekicks that were more like Junior High kids with developing super powers, most the off spring of Heroes (many not quite super heroes that wanted their kids to be better prepared).

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