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Does a conductor make a difference?

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

Trying to write a scene involving a 13-year-old eighth-grader (middle school) trumpet player performing solo for the first time with an award-winning high school orchestra.
I seed advice from anyone who knows much of anything about orchestras. The question involves the conductor. Does a conductor make a difference in the orchestra (and trumpet player)? I, personally, could get up in front of an orchestra and wave my arms. Does it matter who the conductor is? Could any member of the orchestra do just as good a job as whoever the conductor is? Could I (who knows nothing except that I like the music)?

Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

There would not be a conductor if the position had no value to add.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Does a conductor make a difference in the orchestra (and trumpet player)?

Yes and no.

There are some big name professional orchestras that play with out a conductor.

On the other hand, a proper conductor is not just waving his arms about randomly. The conductor is using gestures to send specific signals to the orchestra, changes in pitch, volume, tempo, signaling specific sections of the orchestra to start or stop.

Quasirandom ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

There are some big name professional orchestras that play with out a conductor.

No dedicated conductor โ€” the concert master (head first violin) acts as leader for tempos, et cetera.

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Quasirandom

the concert master (head first violin) acts as leader for tempos, et cetera.

Yes, but in those cases, the concert master is still sitting with the rest of the violins and playing with them, not standing in front of the orchestra acting as a conductor.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

The conductor is using gestures to send specific signals to the orchestra, changes in pitch, volume, tempo

Simply watch the Russian ballet scene in the movie "Bye Bye Birdie" to see how the conductor affects tempo. :-)

redthumb ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

There are some big name professional orchestras that play with out a conductor.

But do they practice without one? I think not!

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@redthumb

But do they practice without one? I think not!

You think wrong.

One of the best known US orchestras that plays without a conductor is the Orpheus based out of NYC. They don't have a conductor on staff at all, so it would be a bit difficult for them to practice with a conductor.

https://orpheusnyc.org/

BarBar ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

a 13-year-old eighth-grader (middle school) trumpet player performing solo for the first time with an award-winning high school orchestra

I know a little about this, but I'm not an expert. My understanding is as follows:

The purpose of the conductor is to get all the different instruments making their entrances and exits happen at the same time and at the same tempo - and (to a lesser extent) to maintain that tempo throughout the piece of music. They also use signals to get everyone following the dynamics of the music in the same way (though a lot of that is worked out in the rehearsals). In other words, their gestures to have everyone build the volume as they approach a climax will ensure all the different instruments build volume at the same rate.

In this specific instance, no matter how good the trumpet player is, and how well they know the music, they have no way of knowing the tempos - and change of tempos - that the orchestra uses for that specific piece of music. That's what rehearsals are for.

Many students (even in an award winning orchestra) have trouble maintaining an even tempo as they play - particularly if their individual part is tricky, so the conductor provides them with that steadying tempo that they can stick to.

Keep in mind that a high school orchestra (even an award winning one) will be made up of students who have only been learning their instrument for a few years. Professional orchestras often include musicians who have been practicing their skills for decades. When it comes to making music, time spent practicing really does make a difference.

And most such professional orchestras still use a conductor.

If a soloist is playing completely on their own (without the rest of the orchestra providing backing music) and their individual timing is good, its not uncommon for the conductor to stop conducting until its time for the orchestra to rejoin.

Conducting an orchestra takes skill and practice. As I understand it, part of the trick is you have to mark the beat a split second before the sound (because it takes time for the musician to blow and the sound to come out). I've known experienced musicians to go and take lessons and practice and practice before even stepping in front of a rehearsal, let alone a performance. I've also seen teenaged musicians, with only a little bit of practice, successfully conduct their peers through pieces of music, and literally learn as they go.

A person who just "likes the music" would tend to "conduct" by following the music rather than leading it (ie they beat as the sound hits them which is a split second after the musician blew into the instrument) so they are actually distracting the musicians rather than being helpful.

Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

There is a story on this site written by someone who obviously cares a hell of a lot about classical music and which contains several scenes where people are learning to conduct an orchestra.
The author is Ryan Sylander, the story Opus One and the direct link to the chapter https://storiesonline.net/s/48790:80834/chapter-32-opus-one. A lot of that chapter only makes sense if you have read the 31 chapters preceding it.
No, I don't know how much experience or inside knowledge he has.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

This might help a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl3O4Ju6zx8

LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

There wouldn't be world famous conductors building star status and fan following if it wouldn't matter. The billboards wouldn't read like "Some Whatever Orchestra performing under direction of Someone Ultra Famous."

It's the conductor who interprets the music piece, the orchestra as a whole is their instrument. Conductor plays the orchestra.

I can't completely comment on the actual musical side during the actual performance, or how it's done technically, but I would like to add, that in practical terms, especially for smaller, poorer, amateur, whatever not quite top rate orchestras the conductor quite usually double over as the practical boss of the whole organization's life not only in music but in many if not all practical aspects as well.

At very least he's who sets agenda and probably schedule for rehearsals, both of the whole group and individual artists needing extra work, etc.

Not unlike almost anything in art, the actual lead during the actual performance is very small tip of the mountain of the work that position entails.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

From the standpoint of someone who played (allegedly) in a high school band, yes.

If you can't see the conductor for a period of time, even the familiar high school fight song gets out of sync pretty quickly.

For a soloist, usually the conductor steps aside or tries to be unobtrusive until the rest of the players need to join in.

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