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Switch Blayde 🚫
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Anyone have an opinion on a book cover being only black & white (no color)? Picture black and white. Title font = black. Author name = black.

For example, this is my WIP book cover. I think I'm allowed to include the link here (I uploaded it to my Twitter which I don't really use): https://twitter.com/swblayde/status/1423361617387868164/photo/1 If you click on the partial image in the tweet you'll see it all.

So when you look at the little rectangle on Bookapy, you would see a miniature version of this image. Would someone overlook it because it's not in color?

palamedes 🚫

@Switch Blayde

No, I myself think that the coloring or the lack of color is perfect for the type of book and story.

Dominions Son 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I'm going to say it depends on the nature of the book and the photo.

If you are using an actual period photo for historical fiction, that's okay.

In fact, colorizing it would probably come out looking awful.

Is that a photo from the attack on Pearl Harbor?

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫
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@Dominions Son

Is that a photo from the attack on Pearl Harbor?

Yes. The USS Arizona. I assume it's public domain. And the Pearl Harbor attack is why the hero enlisted and one of the widows' husband died on the Arizona so it fits.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
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@Switch Blayde

Yes. The USS Arizona. I assume it's public domain.

From WWII? Yes, it should public domain.

Either it was never registered in the first place and was never copyrighted, or the copyright under the 1906 act would have expired before the 1990s extension was passed.

ETA: Since at that time under US law you had to register to have a copyright at all, You could probably check it out with either the US Copyright Office, or the Library of Congress (one of the registration requirements was giving a copy to the LoC). If you really want to verify that it's public domain.

paliden 🚫
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@Switch Blayde

This photo is the USS Arizona at Pearl Harbor after the attack.

https://worldwar2headquarters.com/HTML/PearlHarbor/shipsPearlHarbor/arizonaPH.html

Ernest Bywater 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I agree with DS on this. A lot depends on the image and the story, and if it fits then go for it.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Unless it's being done to make a point, I think black and white book covers look unprofessional. And IIRC, some dead tree publishers agree with me.

As someone with a gap where the artistic gene should reside (ie I'm an artshole), would it look better and more appropriately aged in sepia?

AJ

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I think black and white book covers look unprofessional.

That's what I was wondering. Why I asked.

But as DS and Ernest said, it fits the time period. And I was searching for what color best represents loneliness for the title. Then I realized that gray would work, and black even better because of the widow aspect.

StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I think a black & white photo like you have fits both the time frame and the subject.

joyR 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Anyone have an opinion on a book cover being only black & white (no color)?

A black ad white image can be more powerful than the same image in colour, it depends on the image.

As an aside, to me the image you chose does not fit the title. I get that the husband was on the ship, but the title infers the story is about the widow, not her late husband...

Dominions Son 🚫

@joyR

but the title infers the story is about the widow, not her late husband...

If it's the story SB has talked about in other threads, the main character is another WWII vet who meets multiple "lonely war widows" which is why the title is widows, not widow.

It fits the story as much as any iconic WWII image would.

Vincent Berg 🚫

@joyR

As an aside, to me the image you chose does not fit the title. I get that the husband was on the ship, but the title infers the story is about the widow, not her late husband...

Still, if the book focuses on the hardship of wives while their husbands are at war--especially their fear over reports of major casualties--it would fit. However, if the sinking is tied to why the guy entered the war, then it's purely background material, and actually has nothing whatsoever to do with the story.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@Vincent Berg

However, if the sinking is tied to why the guy entered the war, then it's purely background material, and actually has nothing whatsoever to do with the story.

I was simply looking for a war scene.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Just a thought.

I don't know whether it's the same story you've mentioned before, but I remember not long ago my newspaper printed some pictures of allied troops advancing through Italy.

AJ

Vincent Berg 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I've seen a few excellent b&w covers, but like many things, it's tricky to do it correctly (i.e. color balance, contrast, shading, etc.). However, since you're starting with a photo by a recognized B&W photographer, you're on solid ground. However, your framing (white space layout) is a bit off, as you have too large of an empty space at the top sitting empty, while your author name appears to be slipping off the page). That can be easily fixed, but for such an old photo, you'll probably need to do some cloning in PS to 'create' more water at the bottom.

As far as your 'no color' question, what might make this picture pop is to have to title is a sharp red, which not only improves the contrast, it'll also emphasize the potential threat of death in the story. But that's more of personal decision, and is typically best made by making mockups and comparing the two side by side.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Vincent Berg

what might make this picture pop is to have to title is a sharp red

I tried that and my wife said it was distracting.

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Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Switch Blayde

what might make this picture pop is to have to title is a sharp red

I tried that and my wife said it was distracting.

It's hard to do much with a navy-gray ship (other than paining the sea and/or sky blue, but for characters marching through a field, just place them in an 'army-green' rain slicker.

You can often color portions of B&W images for a slight punch, but in most cases, you're fairly limited in options.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

You can often color portions of B&W images for a slight punch

I did that with my "Last Kiss" cover. Black and white except for the girl's red lips (and the title to match the lips).

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Vincent Berg

. However, your framing (white space layout) is a bit off, as you have too large of an empty space at the top sitting empty,

That was intentional. I wanted the title to be close to the action.

Replies:   joyR
joyR 🚫

@Switch Blayde

That was intentional. I wanted the title to be close to the action.

I wasn't going to comment further, but, you did ask..

Keeping the title close to the action makes perfect sense.

Choosing a cover picture that has little to do with the story does not.

Presuming that the story is about war widows, would you focus the description on the sinking of the battleship?

The again, go ahead, it would be interesting to know how many readers complain about the cover being misleading, since there are readers who buy based on the cover art more than the description.

I'm sure other authors would find the results informative.

Dominions Son 🚫

@joyR

Choosing a cover picture that has little to do with the story does not.

A cover image that has not much to do with the story seems to be fairly standard in the dead tree publishing industry.

Where characters are depicted, they frequently don't match descriptions given in the text and the cover image almost never represents a scene from the story.

joyR 🚫

@Dominions Son

A cover image that has not much to do with the story seems to be fairly standard in the dead tree publishing industry.

Where characters are depicted, they frequently don't match descriptions given in the text and the cover image almost never represents a scene from the story.

If this were a forum for lemmings to improve their lives, your comment is the equivalent to saying. "Most other lemmings are jumping off the cliff, go join them."

Whilst imitating the consensus is an option, it isn't exactly helping anyone strive for excellence.

Ernest Bywater 🚫

@joyR

Whilst imitating the consensus is an option, it isn't exactly helping anyone strive for excellence.

agreed.

Dominions Son 🚫

@joyR

Whilst imitating the consensus is an option, it isn't exactly helping anyone strive for excellence.

I don't disagree the statement that following the consensus doesn't help with striving for excellence.

On the other hand, your original comment isn't so much about striving for excellence as it is making the statement that following the consensus is objectively wrong. That could well be true, but it should take more than a blanket statement to make that case.

Replies:   joyR
joyR 🚫

@Dominions Son

That could well be true, but it should take more than a blanket statement to make that case.

It is a comment, not a thesis. Its brevity does not make it less true.

:)

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Dominions Son

A cover image that has not much to do with the story seems to be fairly standard in the dead tree publishing industry.

Modern dead-tree Mysteries and Thrillers tend to have a picture of a running man on the cover, whether relevant or not :-(

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
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@awnlee jawking

In the high fantasy and/or sword and sorcery categories I've seen:

Cover: Built barbarian in fur boots, fur shorts and leather harness with foot on head of dead giant snake and raising a battle ax to the sky.

Actual Story: Hero wears chain mail armor and uses a sword. No giant snakes in story.

I barely look at the cover art anymore in terms of evaluating whether or not to buy a book.

Ernest Bywater 🚫

@Dominions Son

A cover image that has not much to do with the story seems to be fairly standard in the dead tree publishing industry.

I think that only applies to certain publishers. I make my own covers and tend to make them relevant to the story or the title in some way while also trying for something eye catching. Mind you, the covers for a series are very uniform but still relate to the series in some way.

About the most distant I get from a story is in Star Performance where I use a picture of a star forming as the background image to emphasize the 'Star' part of the title.

Vincent Berg 🚫

@Dominions Son

Where characters are depicted, they frequently don't match descriptions given in the text and the cover image almost never represents a scene from the story.

Book covers are NOT intended as memorial wall posters, instead they're intended to represent the underlying conflict for people unfamiliar with the story.

As I always say, the title is meant to get the reader to pull the book off the shelf, the cover is to get them to read the story description on the back (for a paperback book), the descriptions whole purpose is to get the reader to read the first sentence/paragraph, and the opening passage assures the readers that the authors has some clue of what they're doing. But you're focusing on a slow-progression, edging the reader into making a decision. Accuracy of the images doesn't make any difference in actual book sales!

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@Vincent Berg

Book covers are NOT intended as memorial wall posters, instead they're intended to represent the underlying conflict for people unfamiliar with the story.

Yeah, in my experience for the genres where I read dead tree books, 90%+ of the covers are a complete fail on that. The best that can be said is it represents the genre.

Keet 🚫

@joyR

since there are readers who buy based on the cover art more than the description.

Sad, but true.

Switch Blayde 🚫
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@joyR

there are readers who buy based on the cover art more than the description.

And that is a problem for me. All but one of my novels are erotica. But most don't have an erotic cover, you know, a half-naked woman with big tits on the cover.

My "High School Massacre" cover would probably be better for a horror novel. My "Steele Justice" novel's cover is good for a thriller, which it is, but it has nothing to do with erotica, which it also is. My new novel's cover also doesn't depict erotica (and it's probably more erotica than my others).

But I think my covers reflect the story more than many others I've seen. Look at any Romance novel. They're all the same with a half-dressed man embracing a woman. I wonder if the picture even reflects what the hero and heroine look like.

My dream would be to have a book cover with no picture. Just the author name and book title. And the author name first because that's what would draw the reader to the book. "Oh, good, a new Stephen King novel."

Replies:   joyR
joyR 🚫
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@Switch Blayde

My dream would be to have a book cover with no picture. Just the author name and book title. And the author name first because that's what would draw the reader to the book. "Oh, good, a new Stephen King novel."

Why change your nom de plume to Stephen King???

:)

Or is it a compulsion? Like your changing swords?

:)

palamedes 🚫

@joyR

The again, go ahead, it would be interesting to know how many readers complain about the cover being misleading, since there are readers who buy based on the cover art more than the description.

There is a reason for the saying "Don't judge a book by its cover"

Replies:   joyR
joyR 🚫

@palamedes

There is a reason for the saying "Don't judge a book by its cover"

Which was the point…

Except that if nobody cared at all, every book would be plain with just author and title. Cover art is a factor.

Remus2 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Nothing wrong with black and white images. It does take a higher grade of photographer to get a good image though. In your specific case, it works for the timeline imo.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫
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@Remus2

Nothing wrong with black and white images. It does take a higher grade of photographer to get a good image

I wasn't talking only about the image. There is no color in the entire cover. The image is black and white (actually black and gray). The font for the title and author name is black. The image takes up the entire cover so there's no color surrounding it.

But based on the comments, it works. I did take Vincent's advice and moved the title up a little.

For those using GIMP, there's a bug in the Align tool. I use the Move tool to move things around. So I moved both layers of the title up to their new positions, but wasn't sure if I had accidentally moved them right or left. I use the Align tool to center it right and left. The Align tool requires you to make the layer the active one and then click on a pixel inside it. Then the corners have squares to tell you it's ready for the Align tool to do its thing. But no matter where I clicked on it, the corner squares never showed up so the Align tool didn't do anything.

The bug in GIMP is that the layer you're working on with the Align tool must be the top one. So I moved one title line layer to the top and clicked on it. The corner squares showed up and the Align tool worked. Then I moved the layer back to where it belonged and moved the next line of the title to the top and aligned it and moved it back.

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