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PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ
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In the Disney film "Song of the South," Br'er Bear says "I'm going to know his head clean off." (I shudda typed "knock" instead of "know.) Except, he strung out the word "clean" so that it sounded like it was, maybe, more than one syllable.

In a story, how would you write the longer version phonetically, even if it were just a very long "clean"?

Replies:   Dominions Son  madnige
Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

cleeeean

Replies:   PotomacBob
PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

Ernest Bywater
1/5/2021, 11:20:25 PM

cleeeean

Thank you!

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Question: How do you know someone's head off?

Replies:   PotomacBob  red61544  bk69
PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

You learn how to tape good tapos.

red61544 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Question: How do you know someone's head off?

I suspect he was goin' to gnaw that head cleeean off. Is "Song of the South" still available? I would have thought Disney would have pulled it off the market because of PC pressure.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@red61544

suspect he was goin' to gnaw that head cleeean off. I

There are clips available on YouTube.

The Br'er Bear character carries a club. The actual line is "knock his head cleeean off."

This is in the scene after Br'er Rabbit is trapped by the tar baby (a decoy made of actual tar, not a reference to a black baby) and Br'er Rabbit tricks Br'er Fox into throwing him into the briar patch.

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@red61544

red61544
1/6/2021, 9:26:14 AM

@Dominions Son

Question: How do you know someone's head off?

I suspect he was goin' to gnaw that head cleeean off. Is "Song of the South" still available? I would have thought Disney would have pulled it off the market because of PC pressure.

As far as I know, Disney has never released Song of the South on video in the U.S. The last time I recall it being released in theaters was in the 1980s. It was released on laser disc in Japan, with English subtitles. Some people in the U.S., who had the equipment to play Japanese laser discs, made VHS copies (there were so few laser disc players that nobody thought it was worthwhile to use copy protection).

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Disney has never released Song of the South on video in the U.S. The last time I recall it being released in theaters was in the 1980s.

None the less, there are clips out there on YouTube.

garymrssn ๐Ÿšซ

@red61544

Is "Song of the South" still available?

It may be viewed or downloaded at The Internet Archive.
https://archive.org/details/SongOfTheSouth_Disney

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@garymrssn

I'm surprised Disney hasn't sued them over that. The current leadership of the Disney corp would much rather pretend that Song of the South never existed.

Replies:   palamedes  Mushroom
palamedes ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Song of the South is pretty tame compared to Walt Disney World War II war propaganda. Song of the South gets hate because it is the blacks that are teaching the whites in the war propaganda shorts the politically correct crowd would burn down the Disney parks today.

Just do a internet video search for

Walt Disney World War II war propaganda

Plus remember the American and Canadian Government asked Walt Disney for these to help support the war effort.

Replies:   bk69  Kidder74
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@palamedes

Plus remember the American and Canadian Government asked Walt Disney for these to help support the war effort.

Truly ironic, since prior to the war, ol' Walt was quite sympathetic to Hitler, and agreed in principle with him on a number of issues.

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

Truly ironic, since prior to the war, ol' Walt was quite sympathetic to Hitler, and agreed in principle with him on a number of issues.

Ol' Walt liked money more than he liked Hitler. :)

Kidder74 ๐Ÿšซ
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@palamedes


Plus remember the American and Canadian Government asked Walt Disney for these to help support the war effort.



Not just Disney, but Warner Bros. were big into the US/Allied war effort, too. Do a search for Private Snafu or Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips (both can be found via Wikipedia searches). They did plenty of other work, as well, promoting war bonds, rationing, etc. before, during, and after the war.

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palamedes ๐Ÿšซ

@Kidder74

Yep but Warner Bros. doesn't try to hide because they only care what is trending to make them money. Warner Bros. put out a DVD collection of all their WWII video shorts called "Complete Uncensored Private Snafu"

When I bought my copy from the bottom of the Walmart discount bin for a $1.99 it had a sticker on it saying

"This film is not for anyone who might be offended by ethnic jabs to those of German, Italian or Japanese backgrounds, but this was America at war and they were the defined enemy." and that was in the late 90's early 2000.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

The current leadership of the Disney corp would much rather pretend that Song of the South never existed.

Which is something I always hated.

James Baskett was awarded a special Oscar for his work on that movie, the first black man to ever be awarded such an honor.

And it is not like he had a chance to win as Best Actor that year. And no, not a damned thing to do with racism. He would have had to have beaten Sir Lawrence Olivier, Gregory Peck, and James Stewart. For Best Actor, he simply never had a chance. But the Academy recognized his performance with a special award instead.

This is the kind of thing that always bothers me. People pressuring a company to not release something is a very disgusting form of censorship. And it does not help that most of the claims are blown way out of proportion.

For anthropologists it is an amazing look into the folklore of blacks from the era. A great many tales would have been lost without his efforts. Stories that have now been shown to have actually originated in Africa and were changed once they were brought here.

I find it sadly ironic that people are trying to actively suppress stories that were highly subversive at the time, and were actually speaking out against slavery but in a veiled manner.

Br'er Rabbit represents slaves in the stories. Br'er Bear the poor white overseers who were largely "muscle" for the owners. And Br'er Fox symbolized the plantation owners.

And the Br'er Rabbit and fox characters also symbolize common animistic religion stereotypes, specifically the "Trickster".

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

For anthropologists it is an amazing look into the folklore of blacks from the era.

But the modern anti-racists hate it with a passion that cannot be understood.

The also hate Mark Twain's The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, despite positive portrayals of black characters.

Replies:   Mushroom  irvmull
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

But the modern anti-racists hate it with a passion that cannot be understood.

Because most are fanatics who love trying to change history.

Anthropologists love that the stories (as well as those of Twain) are a fascinating collection of not only stories, but also dialects. One thing about the last century, is that it has eliminated most "regional dialects" in the country.

As most people who wrote down things said used "contemporary English" of the time, the dialects have largely been lost. But people like Joel Chandler and Mark Twain used what we call "Eye Dialect", which ignores things like correct grammar and spelling, in order to recreate the way people actually talked and sounded.

I myself do that many times, specifically twisting grammar and spelling in order to capture how my characters actually sound. it is not racist, it is simply being accurate. And having lived in that area of the country for many years, even today you can find people that sound like that.

And I find it interesting that nobody goes around screaming "racism" about Li'l Abner, which also used a typical dialect of the area and time.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

But the modern anti-racists hate it with a passion that cannot be understood.

The also hate Mark Twain's The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, despite positive portrayals of black characters.

Yet you never see them protesting movies that portray black people as violent, drug dealing pimps.

Could it be that those "anti-racists" are more racist than the ones who admit to being racist?

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Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

Could it be that those "anti-racists" are more racist than the ones who admit to being racist?

No Way!
/sarcasm

bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Question: How do you know someone's head off?

You fill his head so full of information that it explodes, obviously.

madnige ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

"clean" so that it sounds like two syllables


cle-an or clee-an

qqqq ๐Ÿšซ

it was not know... it was knock...

palamedes ๐Ÿšซ

Song of the South was last released in theaters to Americans on November 21, 1986. Unfortunately, it never got a VHS or DVD release, in the USA other countries outside of North America like Japan - September 25, 1990 (Laserdisc)
August 21, 1992 (VHS), UK - September 16, 1991 (VHS), and Argentinian/Chilean - April 10, 1989 (VHS) October 2, 1992 (VHS) August 18, 1997 (VHS) April 14, 2000 (VHS). The movie was published on November 12, 1946, 40 years before its last theatrical re-release in America. It was also the first live action film created by Walt Disney. The depiction of the main character's former slavery became controversial since the film came out, which is one reason why the Walt Disney Company did not want to release it on home video in America.

There was a short lived campaign to have it shown on Disney+ , but I haven't seen or read anything in over a year. It received the first Honorary Award Oscar in 1948 to celebrate motion pictures achievements that are not covered by existing Academy Awards for its integration of live action and animation.

In 1989 when I visited the UK and returned with a copy of Song of the South on VHS customs had more questions about that video tape then they did about a 18 year old kid with a 20 year old bottle of scotch and brandy as they asked where did you find this (VHS) everything else was just pay the duty tax not even a blink of the eye about a minor having liquor in their possession. I think the only reason Disney released it in 1986 was to keep control of some copywrites but that is my thoughts.

qqqq ๐Ÿšซ

I have a dvd.. has buddha video co. Taipei taiwan on the back no date

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