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Trivia question: Why is Hang-Up hyphenated?

Crumbly Writer 🚫

Using "hang-up" in a story, I was struck by the odd hyphenation. There doesn't appear to be any valid justification for it (aside from not confusing it with hanging up a telephone, which doesn't seem terribly likely nowadays).

Does anyone know why it's hyphenated? (Just for my own piece of mine, as I'm a sucker for etymology.)

bk69 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

Does anyone know why it's hyphenated?

It's a singular concept, so hyphenate to identify it as a noun?

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@bk69

It's a singular concept, so hyphenate to identify it as a noun?

That's pretty straightforward. Thanks!

Keet 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

According to Merriam-Webster it's simply how the word is written/defined, no specific reason. Without the hyphen it's a verb.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 🚫

@Keet

Without the hyphen it's a verb.

Technically a verb/preposition pair.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

For the same reason hard-on and make-up are hyphenated. The hyphenation turns it into a noun. Make-up nowadays is also spelled makeup so maybe it will be hangup some day (actually, my browser didn't flag it as a typo - Word did, though).

And hang up is more than hanging up a telephone. You hang up clothes.

Replies:   bk69  Crumbly Writer
bk69 🚫

@Switch Blayde

And hang up is more than hanging up a telephone. You hang up clothes.

And artwork.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@bk69

And artwork.

And possibly condemned criminals.

Replies:   bk69  Crumbly Writer
bk69 🚫

@Dominions Son

Neither "death by hanging" nor "hanged by the neck until you are dead" (distinct sentences that vary in knot placement - the first places the knot on the side of the neck to snap the neck, the second places the knot behind the neck to provide a death by asphyxiation) involves hanging anything (or anyone) "up".

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@bk69

involves hanging anything (or anyone) "up".

I'm pretty sure that "hang em up" has at least been used in reference to lynchings.

Replies:   bk69  Crumbly Writer
bk69 🚫

@Dominions Son

I think in that reference it's more typically "string 'em up", but you may have been at more lynchings than I, so I'll concede.

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Dominions Son

I'm pretty sure that "hang em up" has at least been used in reference to lynchings.

More typically it's 'high 'em high', which is a reference to the public display of the death as a celebration and warning to others (usually with distinct racial overtones). Which is distinctly different than "string 'em up", which simply means to hang up with little to no fanfare at all.

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Dominions Son

And possibly condemned criminals.

That would be "hung" (the -up is assumed).

StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

That would be "hung" (the -up is assumed).

Charlie: 'They said you was hung!'

Bart: 'And they was right!'

See, this even fits into the discussion on fair use thread, because if you know this quote, you know I've used an assortment of one liners from an assortment of movies. Those are well within fair-use, because they're short - well short of the 10% criteria - and simply used as a common cultural reference for the time period.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

And possibly condemned criminals.
That would be "hung" (the -up is assumed).

Actually, it's "hanged."
People are hanged; paintings are hung.

Replies:   bk69  Crumbly Writer
bk69 🚫

@Switch Blayde

People are hanged; paintings are hung.

People (like numerous porn stars) are hung. But if you decide to hang one, they end up hanged whether they're hung or not.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@bk69

But why is a hanger a place for storing airplanes rather than a place for executing criminals?

Replies:   Remus2  bk69  Crumbly Writer
Remus2 🚫
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@Dominions Son

hangar (n.)

1852, "shed for carriages," from French hangar "shed," which is of uncertain origin. Probably from hanghart (14c.), which is perhaps an alteration of Middle Dutch *ham-gaerd "enclosure near a house" [Barnhart, Watkins], from a Proto-Germanic compound *haimgardaz of the elements that make home (n.) and yard (n.1). Or French hanghart might be from Medieval Latin angarium "shed in which horses are shod" [Gamillscheg, Klein]. Sense of "covered shed for airplanes" first recorded in English 1902, from French use in that sense.

bk69 🚫

@Dominions Son

a hanger a place for storing airplanes

I thought they were for working on airplanes, and storing car collections?
Probably because everyone wanted to hang around and look at the plane being worked on, I guess? I'm not sure, there may be a better explanation. Never really thought about it.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫

@bk69

Hanger verses hangar. Two entirely different things. The former has nothing to do with aircraft.

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Dominions Son

But why is a hanger a place for storing airplanes rather than a place for executing criminals?

And what about all those who are merely hangry?

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Actually, it's "hanged."
People are hanged; paintings are hung.

Sorry, but my response never posted (I was probably working on my next response rather than hitting "Post"). Apparently, I was too hung-up on hangry hangar posts to consider the proper verb form. My bad, I'll try to rehang the unsung, unhung hanged individuals later.

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richardshagrin 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

You left out Hungary. Its capital is Budapest. Which is really two cities divided by the Danube River, one is Buda, the other is a Pest.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@richardshagrin

You left out Hungary. Its capital is Budapest. Which is really two cities divided by the Danube River, one is Buda, the other is a Pest.

Is Budda's pest and enlightened nuisance or an un-nuanced throw-back?
(Lots of hyphens there!)

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Switch Blayde

And hang up is more than hanging up a telephone. You hang up clothes.

There are also technical hang-ups, logistical, environmental and legalistic hang-ups. As bk69 noted, it's a specific reference with no relation to either "hang" or "up", so gets hyphenated to differentiate it.

@bk69

And hang up is more than hanging up a telephone. You hang up clothes.

And artwork.

I have a hang-up about hanging up my clothes, so I painted an artistic statement about it, but now I'm hung-up of hanging that up as well!

Ernest Bywater 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

by hyphenating it you make it what's called 'a compound noun' to show the two words stay together as a new noun. If it gets used as such often enough it will eventually drop the hyphen and be a single word as a plain noun.

Switch Blayde 🚫

Who would have guessed I'd read the following in a story?

"I'm sure she'll avoid a lot of hang-ups!" The implication that Jean was hung-up was clear in her voice.

Of course the second one shouldn't be hyphenated.

Replies:   bk69  LupusDei
bk69 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Well, if Jean was hung, Jean is a dude.

LupusDei 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Well, I don't know how to transpose this to English, but here, in a land where you need warm clothing layers of with you likely take off inside about three fourths or of a year or so, it's not unusual to ask where those could be hung up if it's not immediately obvious or indicated (what would be expected courtesy, but may not happen). And the native language phrase very often used in casual speech is horrid, and actually incorrect language, but sorta convenient, "where can I hang?"

Compare "kur lūdzu es šeit varētu pakārt manas virsdrēbes?" (the fully formal: "sorry, where here I could hang up my outerwear?") with "kur var pakārties?" (literally: "where it's possible to hang oneself [to death]?").

It's not unusual *joke* to utter it in such a voice you momentarily wonder how likely they could be to do just that and return something along the lines, "nah, I'm horrible at disposing bodies. But that overcoat you can stuff in that closet." Most times however you just duly indicate where to drop that jacket.

(And yes, we actually have horrible suicide statistics.)

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer 🚫

@LupusDei

(And yes, we actually have horrible suicide statistics.)

with such terrible jokes, it's no wonder why! ;)

Tw0Cr0ws 🚫

Probably for the same sort of reason that hyphenated is not spelled with a hyphen in it but non-hyphenated has a hyphen in it.

What, you were expecting the English language to make sense?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@Tw0Cr0ws

What, you were expecting the English language to make sense?

I wouldn't expect any human language to make sense. After all, humans are involved.

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