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Evolving words

Uther_Pendragon 🚫

In another thread which had already drifted far enough, we came to the evolving word, dinner. It is the main meal of the day, once, and sometimes still, eaten at noon. Industrial society moved it to supper.

Other words also evolve and the writer of historical stuff has to be careful. Even when he knows, he has to figure out how to tell his readers. One of those is "rifle."

A firearm which is held against the shoulder to fire is a "musket."

Most modern firearms put a spin on the bullet through "lands and grooves" AKA "rifling." Both artillery pieces and muskets with rifling became known as "rifles."

Today, when they hear "rifle," most people think of the firearm put to the shoulder, the rifled musket. When I was in high school, some of my less-advanced fellow students thought that "musket" meant smoothbore.

A few years ago, some political activists circulated a quotation attributed to George Washington which spoke of "pistols and rifles." The educated laughed at their ignorance.

Dominions Son 🚫

@Uther_Pendragon

When I was in high school, some of my less-advanced fellow students thought that "musket" meant smoothbore.

Most military muskets were smooth bore much later in time than most people think. The reason, they were faster to load than rifled muskets and the added accuracy of a rifled musket didn't matter with mass volley fire.

This didn't change until military doctrine started to move away from mass volley fire around the time of the US Civil War. There were military rifles before this, but they were generally specialist weapons for snipers.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom 🚫

@Dominions Son

The reason, they were faster to load than rifled muskets and the added accuracy of a rifled musket didn't matter with mass volley fire.

And this is really the key difference.

Most people in the earle US owned a rifle, but it was primarily for hunting. A rifled musket, because accuracy mattered when hunting to put food on the table.

But for military uses, accuracy did not matter. It was all line up, volley fire, and reload and fire again en masse. Accuracy did not matter at all, especially during any volley after the first as the clouds of smoke obscured accurate fire anyways.

Rifles were used on occasion. Davy Crockett and his Tennessee Volunteers were armed with rifled muskets at the Alamo, and it helped a lot because they were not using traditional volley fire and were behind defenses, so we able to put the accuracy of the weapons to use.

It was not until the US Civil War that this finally started to change. Paper cartridges and fighting from behind defenses started to become the norm, especially with the introduction of explosive artillery and early machine guns. These forced changes in how battles were fought. This is why the Civil War started with Napoleonic tactics, and ended with what was close to World War I trench warfare.

Of course, the rifled musket was already becoming the norm even as the war started. The MiniΓ© ball ("Minni ball") had pushed range and accuracy to the point where the US had already switched to rifled muskets before the war started (Springfield model 1855), and smoothbores were already reduced to use primarily by cavalry as a form of shotgun.

One thing I constantly shrug about is the way most people just interchange weapon terminology. But I recognize that most are just ignorant, and do not want or care to know anything about them. Hence, reading about somebody who picks up a revolver, and uses the safety. Or one where the character went out and bought a "silencer" for their revolver.

For hunters and military, we use the correct terms because they are critical tools for us. Just as a carpenter will ask for a ripping saw or a coping saw, while most will not know the differences.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Mushroom

one where the character went out and bought a "silencer" for their revolver.

They may have purchased one. It just doesn't work very well.

Another area where rifling became important, and then not so much, is in artillery and armor (meaning tanks). Old artillery was smoothbore, because it was all muzzle loaded. That's why the old time artillery teams had to train and work together. As soon as the round was fired, you had to run the swab down to clear out any remaining powder, otherwise you'd have premature detonation. Then shove the powder bag in with the ram, followed by the ball. On the other end, the sharp spike was shoved into the firing hole to penetrate the bag and get some powder out. Then once the wheels were clear, you'd set it off with the torch. The cannon would recoil backwards when fired, roll it forward, and repeat the process.

Accuracy didn't matter so much as grazing shots did. The original cannon balls didn't have any explosives in them. They didn't need them. They were instead meant to skip off the ground, literally like a flat stone on a pond, hopefully bouncing for the first time about 30 feet in front of the enemy. They'd bounce up, cut through a dozen men or so, breaking bones, tearing off limbs, or just plain eviscerating them, and then bounce again, doing a rinse and repeat.

Grapeshot and chain shot were also designed to cut through large clusters of advancing troops. The problem with smoothbore artillery, of course, was accuracy and distance. The round cannon balls would spin in a random direction, and could literally act just like a curve ball thrown by a baseball pitcher.

Rifled cannons increased both the range and accuracy of the rounds being fired. Adding breechloading capability meant that more modern, explosive rounds could be used. Modern field artillery has an effective range of about 9 miles. Naval guns were also rifled, with the 16" guns on the Iowa class battleship able to send shell weighing 2,700 pounds just over 23 miles. Every 30 seconds.

Tanks started with rifled barrels, but have now gone to smoothbore cannons because they're no longer shooting regular rounds, with high explosive charges. The main round today is nicknamed the 'silver bullet'. In military terms, it's an APFSDSDU round. That little collection of letters means Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot Depleted Uranium round. Basically you have something that looks like a regular round, but once it fires, the Sabot (shoe) falls off, and what you have left is a little dart. Instead of explosives, the round relies on kinetic energy to punch a small hole in the armor of the enemy tank. Which makes a larger hole, with stuff flying off inside the enemy tank, turning the inside of the enemy tank into an abattoir.

Replies:   Tw0Cr0ws
Tw0Cr0ws 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

With the bonus that depleted uranium is incendiary under those circumstances.

But with the thread title being 'Evolving words' why act like the meaning has not changed?
Or is the argument that the meaning of words cannot change?

Ernest Bywater 🚫

@Uther_Pendragon

Today, when they hear "rifle," most people think of the firearm put to the shoulder, the rifled musket. When I was in high school, some of my less-advanced fellow students thought that "musket" meant smoothbore.

That's true. Despite what those with the knowledge say, most people see muskets as smoothbore muzzle loaders because that's what they are in most of the history books, documentaries, and stories they see or read. That's because for most of the history of muskets they were smoothbore muzzle loaders.
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When guns were first invented they were all smoothbore weapons, and stayed that way for a long time. The first firearm with rifling was invented in 1498, but it was extremely expensive and hard, so they didn't catch on. Over the following decades the method of rifling improved, but smoothbore guns were still the main method because the rifling didn't provide enough of a difference to justify the great expense. At this time all guns were still individually made by a craftsman.

By the 1700s it was possible to make guns in production runs and by the mid 1770s the first breech-loading rifle for military use was in production, but wasn't well received. Probably due to the cost and the fact the average soldier wasn't any more effective with a rifle than a smoothbore as they didn't have the proper training to use the more accurate rifles that well. This was the case for a long time to follow.

In the early 1800s military rifles were being produced in quantity, and breech loading guns were readily available. Revolvers and cartridges were available in the early 1800s, as were better propellants and bullets. However, the biggest issue with firearms in general usage remained the scarcity of suitable manufacturing facilities (especially true of the USA) and the cost of the guns involved. The more advanced they were, the higher the cost. Thus smoothbore muzzle loading muskets were still very common and still being made in great numbers. This continued to be the case in the USA until the various US gun makers had to update almost all of their manufacturing plants during the US Civil war. That's why most of the war was fought with the older style weapons despite the modern types of weapons common after the war being available before the war - they were just made in low quantities as they didn't sell well due to the high cost.

Vincent Berg 🚫

@Ernest Bywater

Then there's the rifling through the historic uses of "rifles", which smoothly bores most of us. ;) - Still the King of thread drift and humorous, pointless asides!

Uther_Pendragon 🚫

@Ernest Bywater

By the 1700s it was possible to make guns in production runs and by the mid 1770s the first breech-loading rifle for military use was in production, but wasn't well received.

The date surprises me. The earliest rifled muskets I know of were used in the American Revolution, and they were all hand made. They were fairly standard hunting weapons on the Colonial frontier. Of course, for hunting, speed of reloadin doesn't matter. One of the British generals was impressed and he formed 2 regiments f]of riflemen -- Les Anglais Verts of the Napoleonic wars.

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