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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

I vaguely remember a forum topic in which someone stated that if a story was categorised as 'no sex', then the author cannot specify partnerships eg mt/ft.

Unfortunately the forum search facility doesn't allow a search for an exact match on "no sex" (hint hint!).

Please can someone point me to the topic containing the assertion, or perhaps a site page explaining the rules.

I have a half-complete story in which there is no oral or penetrative sex, but there is a romantic pairing and some sexual contact - touching of genitalia etc - and I'm wondering how best to code it if I ever finish the story.

AJ

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

I vaguely remember a forum topic in which someone stated that if a story was categorised as 'no sex', then the author cannot specify partnerships eg mt/ft.

When using the story submission wizard, select 'no sex' in the 'sex content' then story genre, in your case 'romantic??' Then in the categories you can select M/F or whichever flavour applies.

Unfortunately the forum search facility doesn't allow a search for an exact match on "no sex" (hint hint!).

Yes, it does.

If you are going the Clinton route, then your story is 'no sex', but for the majority of readers, masturbation, either self or of a partner, is sex. So 'some sex'. Add 'slow' and romantic and you pretty much cover a story that has little sexual content and what is described is just foreplay.

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Add 'slow' and romantic and you pretty much cover a story that has little sexual content and what is described is just foreplay.

If it only involves M and F, one of each, then its two play, not four play.

Replies:   Wheezer
Wheezer ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

its two play, not four play.

Can't spell, or lack of reading comprehension?

Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

If you are going the Clinton route, then your story is 'no sex', but for the majority of readers, masturbation, either self or of a partner, is sex. So 'some sex'. Add 'slow' and romantic and you pretty much cover a story that has little sexual content and what is described is just foreplay.

If it was just one or two instances in a longer story I would say 'Minimal Sex' since 'Some Sex' implies a little more than that. I think 'Minimal Sex' is exactly the scape goat for this type of coding. Virtually no sex but you want to code the partnerships and see to it that the simple touching is coded correctly.

Replies:   joyR  awnlee jawking
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

Guess who completely forgot about the 'minimal sex' category...

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

I think 'Minimal Sex' is exactly the scape goat for this type of coding. Virtually no sex but you want to code the partnerships and see to it that the simple touching is coded correctly.

Thanks. I guess that's the approach I'll have to take if I ever finish the story.

There's more I haven't revealed that means I would have preferred 'No Sex'. Plus I'd like to attract readers who are bored with "I fucked her hard with my nine inch cock for twenty two minutes and sixteen point three seconds, giving her two small, one medium and one large orgasm, before I dumped my two tablespoons of cum into her."

AJ

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

and sixteen point three seconds,

Oh, the romance.... [Insert swoon here]

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

When using the story submission wizard, select 'no sex' in the 'sex content' then story genre, in your case 'romantic??' Then in the categories you can select M/F or whichever flavour applies.

For the second time today, I have to admit to CRS. You're right - specifying 'No Sex' does not disable the ability to specify pairings, as I've just found out with a 'Category Search'.

'Romantic' can be either or both of 'Genre' (although it doesn't appear in the 'Story Types' list in the Code FAQ) and 'Level of Consent'. My story's genre is definitely not 'Romantic' and if there's no sex then consent doesn't really apply.

Oh well, I suppose the best thing to do is finish the story then worry about trying to code it.

AJ

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Unfortunately the forum search facility doesn't allow a search for an exact match on "no sex" (hint hint!).

Actually, it does, but it's part of the Premier Membership extras. If you're a Premier Member and you look below the search box you have an option to select the level of sex content. as well as Story Genre, Story Size, and Score.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

Actually, it does, but it's part of the Premier Membership extras.

He said the form search, not category search.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

Unfortunately the forum search facility doesn't allow a search for an exact match on "no sex" (hint hint!).

I'm not sure if this is a loophole that Lazeez is aware of, but if you want to search the forum you can do so as follows;

In google search enter "https://storiesonline.net/d/s2" plus the search terms you are interested in, obviously you can use all the search tools google provides.

Replies:   Keet  awnlee jawking
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

In google search enter "https://storiesonline.net/d/s2" plus the search terms you are interested in, obviously you can use all the search tools google provides.

That's bad, I would have really preferred the forum to be blocked from google.

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

That's bad, I would have really preferred the forum to be blocked from google.

I've notified Laz in case he is unaware.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

I've notified Laz in case he is unaware.

I think he knows that. This site has to make it's money and one way is to be found by search engines. Still, considering the nature of SOL, I would have expected the forum to be a closed community and not public. Stupid, I know. You can even reach and read the forum without logging in. I should have known better. I will be lot more careful with my responses from now on and sometimes not even respond at all.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

I'm not sure if this is a loophole that Lazeez is aware of, but if you want to search the forum you can do so as follows;

Thank you. I couldn't find the topic I was looking for so either it's a case of CRS or Google doesn't hold a complete copy of the forum.

AJ

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@awnlee jawking

Unfortunately the forum search facility doesn't allow a search for an exact match on "no sex" (hint hint!).

The forum search engine does support phrase search for quoted keywords like "no sex", BUT, the search engine doesn't index words shorter than 3 letters. So the 'no' isn't indexed and when you do "no sex" it only finds posts with 'sex' and totally ignoring the 'no'.

Try it with something like "beside the point" or "computer code", it will find only the posts containing the phrase itself.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Thank you for the explanation. I tried "no sex" in quotes and jumped to the wrong conclusion.

AJ

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

Can't spell, or lack of reading comprehension?

There is a third choice, making a pun.

Replies:   Dominions Son  Wheezer
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

Does Mrs Shagrin have a pun in the oven?

Wheezer ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

There is a third choice, making a pun.

Nope. Puns are funny, even bad ones.

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Wheezer

Nope. Puns are funny, even bad ones.

Are you proposing a punishment upon posting unfunny puns..?

Replies:   Wheezer
Wheezer ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Are you proposing a punishment upon posting unfunny puns..?

No, but I often wish SOL had a "block user" like Facebook.

Replies:   Tw0Cr0ws  Ernest Bywater
Tw0Cr0ws ๐Ÿšซ

@Wheezer

A feature like that might be enough to convince some people to pay for premium.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Wheezer

No, but I often wish SOL had a "block user" like Facebook.

Do you mean in the message system or the story site lists?

When you have a Premier Account there is a setting Author Exclusion Preferences where you can enter an author's name and their stories aren't displayed in any of the lists for your view after you log in.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ
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@Ernest Bywater

When you have a Premier Account there is a setting Author Exclusion Preferences where you can enter an author's name and their stories aren't displayed in any of the lists for your view after you log in.

Block user and block author are not the same. I'm not an author and if someone wanted to block my ramblings in the forum from appearing he can't do that.

ETA: Not that I think it would be necessary since a report to Lazeez about an offensive user should be enough to remove a user or post.

Replies:   Wheezer
Wheezer ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

an offensive user should be enough to remove a user or post.

Definitions of offensive are user-centric. Each to his own. If a user of this forum finds anyone on the forum to be a constantly annoying, nattering nabob of nincompoopery it would be nice to be able to click on their username and have their posts blocked - including any private messages to the person doing the blocking.

Replies:   helmut_meukel
helmut_meukel ๐Ÿšซ

@Wheezer

If a user of this forum finds anyone on the forum to be a constantly annoying, nattering nabob of nincompoopery it would be nice to be able to click on their username and have their posts blocked - including any private messages to the person doing the blocking.

Wouldn't do the trick: any other user quoting parts of the post and answering would circumvent your blockage.

And if direct answers are blocked too, secondary answers would show up and irritate you. Only solution would be to block the thread part spawned by the blocked user, but that would cut you out if the focus would wander away from the original topic to an interesting discussion without further input from the blocked user.

HM.

shaddoth1 ๐Ÿšซ

For me, no-sex tag means that there is no discriptive sex.
coding it M/F lets your readers know that there will be romantic or lustful interactions between those two coded parties.

Shad

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@shaddoth1

M/F lets your readers know that there will be romantic or lustful interactions between those two coded parties.

That's interesting. M/F is under the category of age/gender. It says nothing about romantic or lustful. It's simply giving the age and gender of the (main?) characters.

Replies:   shaddoth1
shaddoth1 ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

That's interesting. M/F is under the category of age/gender. It says nothing about romantic or lustful. It's simply giving the age and gender of the (main?) characters.

do you want to wager that most of the readers see M/F as Sex codes and not MC leads?

Even if there is no sex, I ( and i bet almost everyone else) sees M/F as two adults of the opposite sex in a romantic relationshsip in the story.

not just the sex of lead characters.

Shad

Edit: Codes are guides to make it easier for our readerst to choose their stories.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
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@shaddoth1

do you want to wager that most of the readers see M/F as Sex codes and not MC leads?

I won't argue with that. In fact, I've said it over and over again. I believe the codes were created for sex stories and are being forced on no-sex stories. I once gave an example of a no-sex story about a coach mentoring a young boy. The story code would be M/m which people would think is gay and avoid. Yet it could be a heart-warming story.

But your definition of M/m would require a romantic or lustful relationship so M/m couldn't be used. But then there wouldn't be any age or gender code. That doesn't seem right. That's why when the story is no-sex, the gender code shouldn't imply romantic or lust.

Replies:   joyR  Ernest Bywater
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I believe the codes were created for sex stories and are being forced on no-sex stories.

Since only 10% of the stories on SoL are tagged 'No Sex', it is pretty much a given that SoL is predominantly a sex story site.

More than half of those that are coded 'no sex' have no codes to indicate age/gender, of those that do include those codes the majority appear to include the 'romantic' tag or similar.

That's why when the story is no-sex, the gender code shouldn't imply romantic or lust.

Attempting to make gender codes dual meaning seems a pointless way to spend eternity. This forum isn't representative of the site readership, or even of every author, yet the opinions concerning coding in general are hardly cohesive.

More to the point, if 'no sex' stories should require gender codes, are you suggesting that finestories.com should include them..?

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

More to the point, if 'no sex' stories should require gender codes, are you suggesting that finestories.com should include them..?

If gender codes imply romance (when no sex), then yes. Aren't there romance stories on finestories? Romance is the #1 genre read today.

The problem is there are one set of codes with different meanings. A sure sign for problems.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

The problem is there are one set of codes with different meanings.

No, there is one set of codes with one defined meaning. The problem is people who perhaps should know better trying to pile a second meaning on top of them without any consensus.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

The tag "mt/ft" is defined as "Teen Male under 18, Teen Female under 18". It doesn't define what relationship there is, if any, between those characters.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

The tag "mt/ft" is defined as "Teen Male under 18, Teen Female under 18". It doesn't define what relationship there is, if any, between those characters.

It defines a relationship otherwise there is no reason for them to exist in pairs. Given the combinations that exist, most will view that relationship as romantic and/or sexual. Further, without the relationship being romantic or sexual, specifying age with gender makes little to no sense.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

mt/ft

Based on a Google search, mt/ft involves converting meters to feet.
To get a centipede you would need a lot of electric meters.

Without the / so your search is for mtft I got "MTFT - Multiple Tube Fermentation Technique for microbiological analysis." Didn't sound very interesting.

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Since only 10% of the stories on SoL are tagged 'No Sex', it is pretty much a given that SoL is predominantly a sex story site.

And what percentage of dead-tree novels contain "no sex?"

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

And what percentage of dead-tree novels contain "no sex?"

Why do you think that relevant..?

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I won't argue with that. In fact, I've said it over and over again. I believe the codes were created for sex stories and are being forced on no-sex stories.

Yes, the codes were originally developed for stories with sex scenes and many of them should be reserved for stories with sexual activity, even if it is off the stage. A No Sex story is simply a story with no graphical sex scenes and it may not have any sexual references at all, or it may have some sexual references or overtones.

I now try to reserve the codes like gender for stories where there are sexual references or overtones even if it is a No Sex story. However, it is up to the author to code the stories appropriately and they don't all do that right. I know I've sometimes mis-coded a story and had to correct it later.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

If a story is coded 'no sex', does that mean there's no sexcitement?

(I thought I'd sink this thread before richardshagrin).

AJ

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

(I thought I'd sink this thread before richardshagrin).

There are a lot of definitions for "sink". If yours is like your sexcitement, it means ink since the s is excess. But thank you for mentioning my name. It means I am arguably famous, at least on this forum. I don't always pun, sometimes I look up words online and report what I find, if I think it is interesting.

Later I discuss what my search says mt/ft means.

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

It means I am arguably famous

Methinks you meant infamous... :)

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Methinks you meant infamous... :)

Me to the grinning Richard: Here, hold this can of baked beans for me.

Now he's a has bean. :)

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Now he's a has bean. :)

And you've canned him!

AJ

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Now he's a has bean. :)

Just don't be standing behind him a few hours after he's eaten all of the beans, or you may well regret being there.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

beans

Beans, Beans, the magical fruit, the more you eat the more you toot, the more you toot the better you feel, so lets have beans with every meal!

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

the more you eat the more you toot

If you are going to fart about all day, every day, you'll have to complete an environmental impact report, probably a loud one...

shaddoth1 ๐Ÿšซ

The tag "mt/ft" is defined as "Teen Male under 18, Teen Female under 18". It doesn't define what relationship there is, if any, between those characters.

I still say that some sexual relationship, even if no sex is seen, happens in the story if those codes are added.

in the case where there is a Adult Male coaching a teen male. and no romance or sex is involved than the codes would be left out.

that is what i believe the purpose of the codes are for. even in no-sex stories.

Shad

karactr ๐Ÿšซ

Oh my. I thought Richard's puns were marginally bad enough.

Wrong again.

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

complete an environmental impact report

People farts are really small potatoes compared to cow farts.

"The world is home to about 1.5 billion cows, most of them bred and raised for the meat and dairy industry. ... Methane is subsequently expelled through the cow's front end โ€“ through burping โ€“ or through the cow's backdoor โ€“ via farting. A cow burps and farts between 160 to 320 litres of methane per day."

Replies:   Keet  awnlee_jawking
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

A cow burps and farts between 160 to 320 litres of methane per day.

That's between 240 and 540 billion liters, EVERY DAY. And no one has thought about a way to conserve that for fuel usage opposed to the huge negative climate impact.

awnlee_jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

A cow burps and farts between 160 to 320 litres of methane per day

It's funny how the more invested the source in cow methane being a problem, the higher the estimate of the amount produced per cow.

AJ

karactr ๐Ÿšซ

You people really need to compare the carbon footprint of one volcano to human and agricultural ones.

And I wonder at the British inclusion of beans with breakfast.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@karactr

You people really need to compare the carbon footprint of one volcano to human and agricultural ones.

No need to compare, it's about adding together the different sources. Volcanoes we can't control, others we can. My main point was that considering the numbers it should be viable to try and make a use of it.
I did some checking, it's not 1.5 billion but a little over 1 billion cattle in the world. Still a lot. The funny(?) thing is, over 30% (including water buffalo) are in India while they eat almost no cow meat. Add in Brazil and you have over half (~55%) of the worlds cow population.

Replies:   samsonjas
samsonjas ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

Adding a tidy bit of seaweed to a cow diet dramatically reduces methane production.

The only problem is convincing farmers in Brazil to do it.

Replies:   Wheezer  joyR
Wheezer ๐Ÿšซ

@samsonjas

The only problem is convincing farmers in Brazil to do it.

Yeah, it doesn't grow well on grazing lands.

joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@samsonjas

Adding a tidy bit of seaweed to a cow diet dramatically reduces methane production.

Can't be any harder than it was to get European farmers to feed cows minced animal spines, brain matter etc... That was BSE.... against which seaweed is little more than a brain fart...

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

Can't be any harder than it was to get European farmers to feed cows minced animal spines, brain matter etc...

Or GM soya. Which, based on how the cost of beef jumped, is actually more expensive than animal spines, brain matter etc.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

Or GM soya. Which, based on how the cost of beef jumped, is actually more expensive than animal spines, brain matter etc.

The GM part has little to do with it. The soya has to be grown, harvested, processed, shipped.

The animal spines, brain matter etc were waste products that the meat processing plants had to pay to have disposed of until they convinced farmers to feed it back to their livestock. The cost was minimal and converting it to animal feed additives was almost pure profit for the processing plants.

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