Has anyone heard from Refusenik since his last blog post 3-3-2014?
He was discussed in a recent thread. Seems he's deeply involved in a new business venture and has no time for writing. I was told that he had been working on another novel - not a sequel to any of his previous stories. I hope he finds the time and the desire to finish it. I think I'd read anything new he writes. I just reread "Island Mine" a few days ago. :)
Every dog has its day. A dog with a broken tail has a weak end.
Jobe was the strong, silent type. Not a lot of dialog. He pursued his goals doggedly.
You and Jack Spratt should get together. You could trade one-liners all day over some Shiner Bock.
Yeah, isn't that what all the real men drink? I mean, the ones that can't get Fosters.
Yeah, isn't that what all the real men drink? I mean, the ones that can't get Fosters.
And the truly civilised sip their Southern Comfort bourbon.
And the truly civilised sip their Southern Comfort bourbon.
Or their Irish Whiskey!
:)
Far be it for me to disagree,But if you ever have a taste of Red Breast single pot Irish whiskey you will never even think about Guinness,and this from a Texan who thought Shiner Bock or Jack Daniels Black Label was the ultimate in Adult Beverages!
A true Irishman only drinks Guinness.
True Irishman, like most alcoholics, eventually drink anything they can get their hands on! (Sorry if I've offended any alcoholics. Hopefully you won't remember by the time you wake up.)
Make up your mind, Southern Comfort (a liqueur) or bourbon (a type of whiskey)?
This is the first time I've ever seen Southern Comfort listed as a liqueur, which is normally a sweet concoction you use to finish a meal with. I'm not sure why wikipedia decided to label it as such. True, Southern Comfort has a distinct flavor, but it's hardly the syrupy goop which would qualify it as a liqueur.
This is the first time I've ever seen Southern Comfort listed as a liqueur, which is normally a sweet concoction you use to finish a meal with. I'm not sure why wikipedia decided to label it as such. True, Southern Comfort has a distinct flavor, but it's hardly the syrupy goop which would qualify it as a liqueur.
Probably because while it has a whiskey like flavor it is not a whiskey, bourbon or a scotch. In the US at least, whiskey, and bourbon have very precise definitions created by law (don't ask me why, when does anything the government does make sense). Part of that definition is that whiskey and bourbon can not have any flavorings added post distillation.
According to Southern Comfort's own web site http://www.southerncomfort.com/history Southern Comfort is a bourbon mixed with a bunch of fruits and spices. So legally, they can't call it bourbon.
Probably because while it has a whiskey like flavor it is not a whiskey, bourbon or a scotch. In the US at least, whiskey, and bourbon have very precise definitions created by law (don't ask me why, when does anything the government does make sense). Part of that definition is that whiskey and bourbon can not have any flavorings added post distillation.
My contention is that a tiny amount of fruit in a hard liquor doesn't make it a liqueur! SC is a hard liquor, which is why it's sipped lowly rather than guzzled with umbrellas.
My contention is that a tiny amount of fruit in a hard liquor doesn't make it a liqueur!
Quite frankly I agree with you, but the law says otherwise (and I have generally given up and accepted that the law in general will never make any sense), so they have to sell it as a liqueur.
It is a whiskey and damn what the law says. I don't know anyone in the south that would call it otherwise.
I don't know anyone in the south that would call it otherwise.
The distiller calls it otherwise. Of course the law requires them to call it otherwise.
Brings to mind the FDA's fight with certain dairy farms over calling unfortified skim milk "skim milk". A fight the FDA has only just given up on.
FDA regs specifically define skim milk as having been fortified with vitamins A & D.
https://reason.com/2020/04/28/fda-backs-away-from-absurd-skim-milk-legal-fight/
Milk is not whiskey either lol.
I'll stand by the comment, damn the law, it's a whiskey.
Milk is not whiskey either lol.
True, but the issues with the "legal" definitions of whiskey and skim milk share a common root cause in the attitude of the regulators.
The fun part with skim milk is vitamins A & D, which must be added to skim milk, don't naturally occur in whole milk. So it's not like dairies are being asked to put back something that was removed by the skimming process.
In the US at least, whiskey, and bourbon have very precise definitions created by law (don't ask me why, when does anything the government does make sense).
Most likely related to excise or taxation; their application, and the exemptions to their application.
True Irishman, like most alcoholics, eventually drink anything they can get their hands on! (Sorry if I've offended any alcoholics. Hopefully you won't remember by the time you wake up.)
Note: Irishman who doesn't drink here. I don't know about offending alcoholics, but....
SC is a liqueur because it's sweetened. Specifically it's a bourbon liqueur, i.e. bourbon with sweeteners added.
If you want bourbon get yourself some Jack Daniels, or George Dickle, or Rebel Yell, etc.
f you want bourbon get yourself some Jack Daniels, or George Dickle, or Rebel Yell, etc.
Jack Daniels is Tennessee Whiskey, not bourbon.
http://www.jackdaniels.com/whiskey/jack-daniels-old-no-7
Technically Tennessee Whiskey is made the same way a bourbon, but the Tennessee distillers eschew the use of the term bourbon to describe their products.
Technically Tennessee Whiskey is made the same way a bourbon, but the Tennessee distillers eschew the use of the term bourbon to describe their products.
There are actual differences - some defined by law.
http://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/drinks/what-exactly-is-the-difference-between-bourbon-and-whiskey-20140905
There are actual differences - some defined by law.
Those differences are between Whiskey in general and bourbon. Tennessee Whiskey is something different then regular whiskey and it is closer to bourbon that it is to other whiskeys.
Tennessee whiskey is straight whiskey produced in Tennessee. Although it has been legally defined as a bourbon whiskey in some international trade agreements,[1][2][3] most current producers of Tennessee whiskey disclaim references to their products as "bourbon" and do not label them as such on any of their bottles or advertising materials. All current producers are required by Tennessee law to produce their whiskey in Tennessee and, with one exception, to also use a filtering step known as the Lincoln County Process prior to aging the whiskey; that aside, "Tennessee whiskey and bourbon have almost identical requirements [and] most Tennessee whiskeys meet the criteria for bourbon."[4]
https://thewhiskeywash.com/lifestyle/roots-jack-daniels-lincoln-county-process/
Once again, wiki missed the mark. There are multiple considerations at play, all of which are detailed in the link.
Technically Tennessee Whiskey is made the same way a bourbon, but the Tennessee distillers eschew the use of the term bourbon to describe their products
I once toured the Jack Daniels distillery (alas, they did not give out free samples). They said Jack Daniels would qualify as a bourbon except for two things - one defined by law and the other as part of the process. The part that's defined by law is where it's made - Bourbon must be made in Kentucky. The other part, they said, is that after that make what would otherwise be Bourbon, they filter it again through something (charcoal, maybe), which makes it smoother.
They said Jack Daniels would qualify as a bourbon except for two things - one defined by law and the other as part of the process. The part that's defined by law is where it's made - Bourbon must be made in Kentucky.
The made in Kentucky is not a requirement of the law.
http://bourbonbuzz.com/bourbon-requirements/
On 4 May 1964, the United States Congress recognized Bourbon Whiskey as a "distinctive product of the United States." The Federal Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits (27 CFR 5) state that bourbon must meet these requirements:
Bourbon must be made of a grain mixture that is at least 51% corn.
Bourbon must be distilled to no more than 160 (U.S.) proof (80% alcohol by volume).
Bourbon must be aged in new, charred oak barrels.
Bourbon may not be introduced to the barrel at higher than 125 proof (62.5% alcohol by volume).
Bourbon which meets the above requirements and has been aged for a minimum of two years, may (but is not required to) be called Straight Bourbon.
Bourbon aged for a period less than four years must be labeled with the duration of its aging.
If an age is stated on the label, it must be the age of the youngest whiskey in the bottle.
Only whiskey produced in the United States can be called bourbon.
The extra filtering does not disqualify Tennessee Whiskey from legally qualifying as bourbon.
Look up the Lincoln County Process.
https://thewhiskeywash.com/lifestyle/roots-jack-daniels-lincoln-county-process/
There are actual differences - some defined by law.
And a part of the current confusion could be due to a law making a definition well after people are used to it being called something else.
Another alcohol related law from a couple of decades back made it unlawful to name a type of wine as 'Champagne' unless the grapes were grown in a specific part of France and made into wine in that same region. Yet, you can find better wines of the same flavour made from the same types of grapes grown in other countries. A case of a law passed to artificially keep prices up on a product. There are a few grape based products protected by similar laws. Now it seems we have some distilled products so protected as well.
Another alcohol related law from a couple of decades back made it unlawful to name a type of wine as 'Champagne' unless the grapes were grown in a specific part of France and made into wine in that same region.
I have friends who live in Faversham, Kent, England. They should grow grapes and make Favershampagne.
Make up your mind, Southern Comfort (a liqueur) or bourbon (a type of whiskey)?
Well, this is the interesting thing, when I used to drink a lot of Southern Comfort (a couple of decades back) every alcohol store and bar had it listed as a sour-mash bourbon whisky while wikipedia now lists it as a liqueur. In those days it was sold and drunk straight, on the rocks, with water or with coke. The colour in the picture in the wiki article isn't the same as what I used to drink here in Australia, close but not the same. But it's possible all that was imported here is what they list as the Special Reserve.
Make up your mind, Southern Comfort (a liqueur) or bourbon (a type of whiskey)?
Some of us greatly enjoy a fancy licker... :)
I first heard of southern comfort in connection with a drink concoction called "slow comfortable screw against the wall." In addition to SC it has sloe gin, orange juice and vodka and Harvey Wallbanger. OJ etc. is the screw(driver). SC is the comfort(able) part. I have no idea how it tastes. Likely sweet and highly alcoholic. It probably comes with a tiny umbrella.
called "slow comfortable screw against the wall."
An odd expression. I get "slow comfortable" but don't automatically associate it with "against the wall." I mean, isn't there a reason why it's a Harvey WallBANGER?
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Another great Southern Comfort cocktail - the KOOL TOOL.
Take a Collins glass, add a couple ice cubes. Add one shot Southern Comfort and one shot Tequila. Make sure the shots are as even as possible. (You can use any amount you want as long as both are exactly the same) Add orange juice to fill and stir. If you got the shots right all you should taste is the OJ with a caramel underflavor.
I wonder what Refusenik drinks, that way Abaddon could buy him a drink and find out what he has been doing since his last blog post on 3-3-2014.
Some of his characters drink beer, or maybe because they are college kids, and that is what they can afford. The one I am thinking about owns a bar, nextdoor to his "apartment" (whole building) and is rich enough to drink anything. I may need to re-read the story and pay attention to his drinking preferences. He was a Marine, they will drink anything.
"Human Man", follows "Human Phoenix". Actually, he drinks very little. As he puts it, a social beer or two, usually water or iced tea.
I am re-reading HP (human phoenix) and his bar manager made him drink a shot of tequila, also once his residence was completed and decorated, a toast with some sparkling wine, may have been Champaign was drunk with his architect, contractor, interior designer and him. He took a bottle of "upscale" wine from the bar to his residence during the week his girlfriend was there and they drank it. I haven't finished the story yet, I agree mostly water and beer, but there is some variety of beverages drunk by the hero.
I actually called Refusenik on his bar needing to replace 2 cases of Bud. I told him no self respecting bar would go through 2 cases of Bud before Shiner Bock but he tried explain himself by saying
"Ah, well it's a very large '30 case' or so cooler. Our bartender just wanted to make sure he was topped off before the rush :-)"
But I digress. I am also totally ready for Refusenik's next offering. And if it is necessary... I'd consider drinking something rather than Shiner Bock.
(Cue the music)
Duh Duh Duhdun!
If there is a chance, I would Love to read about Scott as a marine. I have a story idea but I am bad at writing. Can anyone ask Refusenik permission so that this can be done?
We are.
ETA:
They should grow grapes and make Favershampagne.
I prefer Shepherd Neame's Bishop's Finger, brewed in Faversham, and sharing with that french bubbly a protected geographical indication...
The Lincoln county process is purely defined by Tennessee law only. Tennessee whiskey is bourbon. Corn liqueur aged in New oak barrels. Bourbon. And not the better ones at that.
The Lincoln county process is purely defined by Tennessee law only. Tennessee whiskey is bourbon. Corn liqueur aged in New oak barrels. Bourbon. And not the better ones at that.
The discussion point was Jack Daniels which is made in Tennessee.
My post was in response to PotomacBob.
The other part, they said, is that after that make what would otherwise be Bourbon, they filter it again through something (charcoal, maybe), which makes it smoother.
So what seems to be the problem with my post in that context???