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New Author Feature: Direct Section Creation/Editing

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Previously, you could create new section using the {t} tag only during new submissions, or a moderator could create them manually for you.

I've implemented the functionality in the 'Manage Stories' page.

Now when you view the details of a multi-part story, at the bottom of the chapters list there is a new button 'Create Section'. Clicking it will give you a dialog box to title the section, and choose where it goes along with a section note.

Currently, only one story on the site has those section notes.

Arlene and Jeff

The new facilities allows you to create, edit or delete story sections.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Is it possible to have the section name listed above the chapter name?
I recently read a story divided into multiple sections where each section had a character name and in the chapters within that section the named character was the 1st person. At multiple moments I had a really hard time following who was the first person because I couldn't see the section name when a new chapter started. What I had to do was skip back to the index to see what the section name was for the chapter and then go back to the chapter to read it.
I guess that with other section names the same could occur with time, geographical places or specific events that encompass a section.

Vincent Berg ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

Keet, I've seen that usage too, though as you noted, it's pointless in SOL since the Section Header isn't included in the story, only in the general story index. (It took me a LONG time to finally learn that!)

As such, I typically include the section header in my text as a < h4> html command so it looks like a title but won't be interpreted as such by the SOL processor. It's a bitch to enter every time, but it's the only way (I've found) to include the section headers in the story itself.

As an aside, I've long wanted to include text in my section breaks, so I can include some context whenever I switch between sections (say when a character switches locations, or in your case, when the author switches characters).

Unfortunately, thus far, Lazeez won't budge on the matter, as it involves a LOT more work to implement and isn't used by anyone other than myself! :(

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Vincent Berg

Unfortunately, thus far, Lazeez won't budge on the matter, as it involves a LOT more work to implement and isn't used by anyone other than myself! :(

A lot of authors have sections and they are only visible in the index. It's the added text/description for a section that is only used in Arlene and Jeff. The section names should be visible in the chapters itself. I found that in almost every story where sections are used they split the story in logical, well..., sections ;) In most cases the name of the section is important for the context of that part of the story. I can understand why Lazeez doesn't implement this (yet?) because it's probably rather difficult without touching a lot of other code.
I have solved it for myself but other readers have to keep skipping back and forth between the chapters and the index. There's also the problem that sections are abused, i.e. used where they should not be used. The most common abuse is combining books into a single "story" and have sections name like "Book 1", "Book 2". That too I have solved for my custom library but again that's not something other readers can benefit from.
I will have to rewrite my conversions if Lazeez implements this but then it will benefit every reader.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Keet

I will have to rewrite my conversions if Lazeez implements this but then it will benefit every reader.

I've implemented it, along with some other changes.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

I've implemented it, along with some other changes.

Wow, that's fast. You even added the numbers Ernest requested. It appears I don't have to change my conversion, it still works. I put the section name above every chapter number/name. You put the section name above the first chapter of a new section which might be more appealing to other readers then repeating it for every chapter. I didn't think of that option but it probably solved the problem of requiring more invasive changes.
Thanks!

Vincent Berg ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

I have solved it for myself but other readers have to keep skipping back and forth between the chapters and the index.

In my case, I started using text in my section headers in my "Great Death" travel episodes, where the section headers were locations and I added text to introduce elements from the origional characters to provide context so the included chapters would have more meaning.

Implementing that (and my later use of graphics and epigraphs for section breaks (though I've dropped the narrative elements), I implement SOL's section command { p}, but also include the other elements in the main chapter, including the section headers so the readers won't miss the section groupings.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Vincent Berg

Implementing that (and my later use of graphics and epigraphs for section breaks (though I've dropped the narrative elements), I implement SOL's section command { p}, but also include the other elements in the main chapter, including the section headers so the readers won't miss the section groupings.

To make it clear: I convert downloaded zips to my own html library with my own css. The SOL formatting is preserved as far as possible which is almost completely. I have several reasons for doing this: css formatting to my personal liking, reading off-line, formatting for all devices, add covers, add different themes, add choice of fonts, add font size selection, add pictures or maps where I feel I need them, and more. over time it has become quite a project where I even keep lists of author aliases, deceased/retired dates, US-to-metric converters, and a list of source links. I even have author profiles for a lot of authors with biographies, pictures, and links to their site. I created the same 'profiles' for universes. It started as a hobby project to better learn html, css, and javascript but it got a little out of hand and it grew with all sorts of nifty little extras ;)

You're one of the few authors that make the effort to add covers, graphics, and other extras which is greatly appreciated. Ernest is another author that takes great care of formatting and adding floorplans etc.
The section headers problem is now solved and from the original post of this thread I understand that the possibility for section notes are added. As you mentioned you used section headers containing locations which is exactly why I asked for the section names to be included in the chapters. It's important information. For my converted library I even extended it so that the section names are included in every chapter, not just the first chapter of a new section. We're very fortunate that SOL offers the very best formatting I have seen compared to other story sites.

Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

Is it possible to have the section name listed above the chapter name?

Why not just incorporate the section name as part of the chapter name? Something like: Fred - On the way to Town

I write my stories in three significant scene or group types I call: Chapter, sub-chapter, section (in descending order). Thus section headers are a sub-set of a chapter or sub-chapter while a sub-chapter is a subset of a chapter. I use different text styles and colors to indicate them and I include a Table of contents which shows my chapters in relationship to the SoL chapters.

Chapters are red normal text using the html H3 heading code for Sol, with the sub-chapters as Blue Italics using a H4 heading code and the section is a plain bold text as a H5 heading code heading.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Ernest Bywater

Why not just incorporate the section name as part of the chapter name? Something like: Fred - On the way to Town

I thought about that before I implemented it in my custom library but the line would become too long in some cases. Imagine something like this:
"Part 1: September 15 to October 15 - Chapter 23: This is the chapter title." And there are examples where it would become even longer.
I don't convert sections for all stories and your stories are those where I don't convert the sections, simply because you already did the work ;) I also don't convert the sections if it's just book numbers. In those cases I split the book sections into separate books. Arlene and Jeff and Second Chance are examples that represent multiple books in my library where they are in a single "book" here on SOL.
The way you format your books doesn't require me to convert sections since you already have the (colored) sections in the chapters. I fix it only if there are sections in the index that don't appear in the chapters by incorporating the section titles in the chapter headings.
For here on SOL the point is mood, Lazeez explained that it is way too invasive to implement without a major rework of sections in code and database.

Keet ๐Ÿšซ
Updated:

The way that sections are implemented makes it a huge drain on resources to implement that. It costs an additional database hit for each chapter served (millions daily).

I'll have to rework sections completely to avoid that.

I guessed it would touch a lot of code but I forgot that it could also mean a lot of extra database hits.

I can think of ways to avoid that but it would only work for new stories. Like you said: a complete rework of the sections.

A well, I've got the problem solved for the stories I download but it would have been a nice thing for all other readers. At least I now know I won't have to change my conversion code in the foreseeable future and still have the section names in every chapter if I want to ;)

ETA: fixed a really bad typo

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