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A note of thanks to the site staff

Ernest Bywater

I know I don't have much of an opportunity to say so directly to those concerned, however, I'd like to take this opportunity to publicly say a big THANK YOU to the site staff for their work on maintaining the site.

As most of you know I'm very much into making sure the presentation and display of my stories as as close to perfect as I can get them to be. This means every time someone tells me of a typo I amend the story and re-post that part of the story. Also, when i make a significant change in my writing style to be more free flowing and easier to read I review and revise the stories then re-post them. This means I upload a lot of chapter re-posts into the system. I do this because I believe the better the stories look and read to those who visit the site the more likely they are to stay and sign up as Premier members.

I'm sure the staff would be happy if I didn't do so many re-posts, but they take the work in their stride and keep going, so I felt I should thank them for doing so. I particularly noticed it tonight as I uploaded a chapter for a reports due to a type, went to get a can of drink from the fridge, and returned to find the re-post had been processed. Damn, that was quick.

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In a similar vein I'd like to give a big THANK YOU to the many readers who report the errors that sneak by the editors and myself. Your help makes it a lot easier for me to see the stories are corrected. quickly.

NB: Yesterday I had someone tell me of a typo that's been in a story for over 3 years and over 135,000 downloads but not noticed until now. Just shows how well some of them pesky typos hide in plain sight.

joyR

@Ernest Bywater

Yesterday I had someone tell me of a typo that's been in a story for over 3 years and over 135,000 downloads but not noticed until now.


45,000 wouldn't know it was a typo
45,000 didn't care
44,999 noticed but couldn't be bothered to report it.
1 is a smart ass

On a more serious note, I'd also like to offer my sincere thanks to the site staff for putting up with Ernest...

It makes me feel less alone *evil grin*

Ernest Bywater

@joyR

1 is a smart ass


Said smart arse is one of my regular editors who'd processed that story a number of times as well as read it for fun during the time it was up prior to the fix. I worked out it had to have been edited by six different people at various times, and some had edited it three times while some only once, let along the over a dozen times I'd missed it. 'Tis a tad upsetting when that happens, more so than if it's during the initial posting.

Replies:   TeNderLoin
TeNderLoin

@Ernest Bywater

PPPPPPPffffffffffftttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Ernest Bywater

I'm sure the staff would be happy if I didn't do so many re-posts, but they take the work in their stride and keep going, so I felt I should thank them for doing so.


Glad to be of help, and until you break the record for reposting, we won't complain.

FYI, the record for most reposting so far is 84 reposts on the first chapter of a long serial.

The author having that honour shall remain nameless.

Ernest Bywater

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

FYI, the record for most reposting so far is 84 reposts on the first chapter of a long serial.


That's a record I hope not to break.

awnlee jawking

@joyR

1 is a smart ass


I'd like to compliment the smart ass who complemented the work of Ernest's editors.

(No, it wasn't me, but I'm pretty sure I spotted the error too.)

AJ

Replies:   anim8ed
anim8ed

@joyR

I am not sure if I am in the don't care or couldn't be bothered category. For the most part small typos do not bother me enough to interrupt the flow of the story and I am usually enjoying the story too much to stop for every typo to report it to the author.

anim8ed

@awnlee jawking

I sometimes think these forums are less about communicating and more about being a competition on who can be the biggest smart ass.

joyR

@anim8ed

I sometimes think these forums are less about communicating and more about being a competition on who can be the biggest smart ass.


I rather doubt anyone here aspires to be a morbidly obese genius.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
awnlee jawking

@anim8ed

I sometimes think these forums are less about communicating and more about being a competition on who can be the biggest smart ass.


Mea culpa - this time, anyway :(

AJ

StarFleet Carl
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@anim8ed


who can be the biggest smart ass


Quietly glances at Ross ...

In all seriousness, though, I agree with Ernest. I had been a reader on this site a long time before I became an author here. This has been and remains my favorite internet site.

Quick Edit: Almost 14 years ... man, how time flies when you're having fun.

Replies:   Ross at Play  anim8ed
Ross at Play

@StarFleet Carl

"It's a fair cop, guv'na. But I was provoked."

anim8ed

@StarFleet Carl

I am not even sure when I joined the site (damn CRS). I know it has been a looong time and I still only read stories and occasionally review them. Still no bug to write.

In all seriousness though, in all that time old forums and new forums, the ratio of serious dialog to smart ass remarks has always been about the same. Always the same flames on the same topics. ;-)

I bounce into the forums from time to time and bounce back out when the stories are more interesting than the dynamics here. I know CW and Ernest have seen me here and in the old forums in the far past. I am sure they will say I am just as much a smart ass as the next person too.

I don't even mind the occasional troll as long as they actively participate and add to the discussion. It all adds flavor to the discussion as long as you don't overheat it with flames. Burnt discussions, blech.

Replies:   madnige  Crumbly Writer
madnige
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@anim8ed

I am not even sure when I joined the site (damn CRS).


My Account page has the date the account was created.

ETA: I'll echo the thanks for the 11+ years I've been reading here - and to the authors, of course.

Replies:   Keet  Crumbly Writer  anim8ed
Keet

@madnige

My Account page has the date the account was created.

ETA: I'll echo the thanks for the 11+ years I've been reading here - and to the authors, of course.

It also shows a download count which I suspect to be the number of stories or chapters. I'm nearing my 10 year anniversary in April next year.

Keet

I broke down on my principle of not getting a credit card but I needed one for a necessary peace of development software. So, as soon as it arrives I will subscribe to a premium account.

sharkjcw

11+ years, 15,000 + downloads

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@sharkjcw

11+ years, 15,000 + downloads


My current account is from April 2007, but I had a prior account for several years as a reader, and I forget why that got killed. 10,381 downloads

Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

I'm sure the staff would be happy if I didn't do so many re-posts, but they take the work in their stride and keep going, so I felt I should thank them for doing so. I particularly noticed it tonight as I uploaded a chapter for a reports due to a type, went to get a can of drink from the fridge, and returned to find the re-post had been processed. Damn, that was quick.

Many of us are in the same boat, continually trying to make our stories better by dumping ever more updates on the Admins. And both you and I (but mostly me) are fond of 'trying new things' to stretch the limits of what we can include in our SOL stories (ex: color codes section titles for you, and text-based section breaks for me), which I'm sure drives up the Admins frustration levels. But as you say, they're real troopers, and never complain, often offering shortcuts to address what we're so awkwardly trying to try.

By the way, Lazeez, I've finally decided to give up on my 'section text'. It's never worked on SOL, and only confuses readers who can't figure out why I have two different epigraphs for some, but not all of my chapters. So I'll only post pictures and Index section Titles, and drop the rest from my posts. I'm hoping that will help a little.

Yesterday I had someone tell me of a typo that's been in a story for over 3 years and over 135,000 downloads but not noticed until now. Just shows how well some of them pesky typos hide in plain sight.

Every now and then, someone will post a whole host of corrections to my original Catalyst series (before I finally archived it), which they only noticed on their fifth or seventh reread after seven or eight years, so year, those pesky buggers are hard to dig out and uncover! 'D

Crumbly Writer

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

The author having that honour shall remain nameless.

And deservedly so, as we all prefer to remember authors by their finished work, rather than by what a 'pain in the ass' they are (here's hoping, at least, as I certainly fit in that last category).

Crumbly Writer

@anim8ed

For the most part small typos do not bother me enough to interrupt the flow of the story and I am usually enjoying the story too much to stop for every typo to report it to the author.

Generally, IF it bothers you that much, most keep an open post, where they jot down each 'stop me dead in my tracks' mistake, so it's easier to send them as a group, rather than one by one. But to even consider that much effort, you've got to be fairly motivated by the errors they notice.

If the story is enjoyable even with the typos, that a bigger compliment that the usual 'atta boy's we typically get. ')

Crumbly Writer

@joyR

I rather doubt anyone here aspires to be a morbidly obese genius.

I don't know, I'm definitely working on it! 'D

Crumbly Writer

@anim8ed

I bounce into the forums from time to time and bounce back out when the stories are more interesting than the dynamics here. I know CW and Ernest have seen me here and in the old forums in the far past. I am sure they will say I am just as much a smart ass as the next person too.

Actually, I don't mind that arguments and attacks, as they're rarely personal but are typically over style differences, and how we each view our stories differently (our more voracious and trivial fights are typically over whether a particular technique is either 'useful' or 'utterly worthless').

In the end, we all make out point, argue over the details, and come away respecting the other author's opinions (though we continue giving them grief for it).

Crumbly Writer

@madnige

My Account page has the date the account was created.

Alas, I've long forgotten which account I originally signed on with, as I created an entirely separate 'author' id when I decided to started writing.

anim8ed

@madnige

Thanks for pointing that out madnige.

For the record it says Feb 2008 though I seriously think I have been here long before that. Just based on my memory of which stories I followed as they were posted puts it back to 2004 or 2005. There may have been a gap in that time frame as that was when I was dealing with some rather large transitions in my life. So at least 10 years and likely more.

AmigaClone

My account goes back to July 2004 with over 51,000 downloads.

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater

@AmigaClone

My account goes back to July 2004 with over 51,000 downloads.


That's a lot of reading to thank the site owner, staff, and authors for.

docholladay

@Ernest Bywater

According to my account records I have been here since 2003 with 12708 downloads.

So I have a lot to thank both the site owner, staff and authors and editors for. I have always been able to find something to read here on this site.

As I have said before I like the fact that there is something for everyone's likes in reading available on this site as well as the new sites. Its why I always recommend these sites to people I meet in my area. Sure I recommend this one for adults but I also recommend the other two sites as being more family oriented (children).

For everyone involved I have to shout a huge THANK-YOU.

PotomacBob

@anim8ed

In my early days on SOL, I did report typos to authors. The vast major neither acknowledged my message nor fixed the error. Most of the rest chewed me out for expecting that a story I got for free should be perfect. Not one of them thanked me. I no longer bother authors, and typos and minor imperfections in an otherwise good story no longer bother me. My most frequent messages to authors come from seeking further information about some subject they've written about, usually not a fact that would have an impact on their story.

Replies:   Keet  Crumbly Writer
Keet

@PotomacBob

My experiences so far are all positive but I must say I limit myself to reporting only to active authors and most of them active on this forum.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Crumbly Writer

@Ernest Bywater

My account goes back to July 2004 with over 51,000 downloads.

That's a lot of reading to thank the site owner, staff, and authors for.

If you assume only $1 per story (bargain basement rates, rather than commercial retail prices), it stands to reason that you owe the site a few 'memberships'. 'D

Even if you aren't required to pony up that much, it helps put into perspective what they're offering, and how much the membership fees help the site continue offering as much as it does.

Crumbly Writer

@PotomacBob

The vast major neither acknowledged my message nor fixed the error. Most of the rest chewed me out for expecting that a story I got for free should be perfect. Not one of them thanked me.

I'd love to claim those are the exceptions, I fear your estimates are largely correct. However, many of us take those suggestions seriously, and while I'm not always able to include them into the story (in the rare cases they run counter to the story, and just don't sound 'natural' in the character's mouths), I always try to show the people offering corrections how I did implement their ideas, or at least explain why it wouldn't fit into the story, so they'll still know it's appreciated.

It's difficult remaining true to your story while also encouraging readers to help spot obvious mistakes, but for me and several authors here, it's one we happy to walk.

Crumbly Writer

@Keet

My experiences so far are all positive but I must say I limit myself to reporting only to active authors and most of them active on this forum.

My other strategy is to 'feel' the author out. So I'll only note one or possibly two corrections just to see if he's receptive. If he is, I'll offer a few more, and then ask if he's interested in any more.

If he's not, I take him on my internal 'do not bother' list and I stop noting the things which stop in the middle of sentence, making both of our lives easier.

That way, I often have a good idea, going in, whether they'll respond positively or not. But getting a page full of 'corrections' (as I often do when asked to 'edit' someone's work) is often enough to scare authors shitless!

Replies:   anim8ed  Keet
anim8ed

@Crumbly Writer

I usually limit sending corrections only to those who ask for them.

I try NOT to judge those who refuse to do corrections as they have their reasons. Some I have heard were more concerned with writing new material and in some cases because of declining health or other issues they felt compelled to try and complete the story or get as many stories down on paper as they could before they could no longer write.

Of course that is still not an excuse to be rude toward your readers. I should probably add rudeness to the thread of things that I find annoying. But then there is no excuse for readers to be rude towards authors either.

Replies:   Crumbly Writer
Keet

@Crumbly Writer

My other strategy is to 'feel' the author out. So I'll only note one or possibly two corrections just to see if he's receptive. If he is, I'll offer a few more, and then ask if he's interested in any more.

That's a good idea. It takes some effort from my side because I tend to download a complete story, convert it, add my own css so I have exactly the look and feel I like, and then read it. This means I have to go back to the story to report and vote (which I try to do for every story).
I think I will report more in the future since I'll be subscribing to premium when my CC arrives so then there's no limit that prevents visiting the same story multiple times.

Crumbly Writer

@anim8ed

I try NOT to judge those who refuse to do corrections as they have their reasons. Some I have heard were more concerned with writing new material and in some cases because of declining health or other issues they felt compelled to try and complete the story or get as many stories down on paper as they could before they could no longer write.

For most authors, there comes a time where patching older stories just isn't worth it. I get to the point where every time I make a two-word correction, I end up rewriting whole pages to correct my earlier cludgy writing. That's generally where you stop doing updates, for fear you'll end up rewriting the entire damn book!

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