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It's PARTY TIME! The World Cup has started. (Americans may look away.)

Ross at Play

Hooray! The World Cup has started. Four weeks to blissfully ignore Brexit being Trumped by Russian meddling, North Korean and Iranian nuclear bombs, trade wars, culture wars,...

Ross at Play

Aussies can pack up their daydreams for another four years. They did well in their first match against France, but eventually lost 1-2 after a late goal. :(

Their other two matches, against Denmark and Peru, are as tough a draw as was possible (according to FIFA world rankings).

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

France should be able to win all three games, leaving the other teams to form a mini-league for second place. Peru's high ranking depends heavily on their being unbeatable at home, where they have a tremendous advantage from playing at high altitude. Denmark currently have a weak team, as indicated by the current scarcity of their number being good enough to play in England. So Australia still have a decent chance of getting through. Unfortunately France's last game is against Denmark, by which time they should surely have already qualified, and they'll be tempted to rest their stars and players on yellow cards and play a few stiffs, giving Denmark an unfair advantage.

AJ

Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

Peru's high ranking depends heavily on their being unbeatable at home, where they have a tremendous advantage from playing at high altitude.

Thanks. I won't give up hope yet.

I'm surprised you haven't tried to return a favour by being a joyful bearer of bad news. :-)

France should be able to win all three games, leaving the other teams to form a mini-league for second place.

Yes, you'd expect France to win all three, in which case losing by one goal and scoring one is a good result. But I think that maths falls apart if France doesn't win all three.

At least it's better than the last time we qualified, in 2010, when Germany effectively destroyed all chances of progressing in the first half of our first match.

Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

leaving the other teams to form a mini-league for second place.

Peru v Denmark just kicked off. I'm hoping for a low-scoring draw.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
Ross at Play
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PARTY TIME! PARTY TIME! PARTY TIME!!!

Méjico! Méjico! VIVA la Méjico!

...

For those who haven't heard yet, or don't care, Mexico just beat Germany 1-0 in their opening group match.

awnlee jawking

I see the Germans have some deeply nefarious strategy that requires them to come second in their group ;)

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

I see the Germans have some deeply nefarious strategy that requires them to come second in their group ;)

Perhaps they are afraid of encountering England in the quarter-finals? :-)

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

Perhaps they are afraid of encountering England in the quarter-finals?


Unlikely. All the Germans would have to do is hold on until the penalty shootout ;)

AJ

Michael Loucks

Guys, where can I find the USA vs Italy match? I've looked everywhere and can't find it!

😛

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

Guys, where can I find the USA vs Italy match? I've looked everywhere and can't find it!


You missed it by several months! Italy won 46-0: http://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/italy-vs-usa/46565

AJ

AmigaClone

@Michael Loucks

Jump in a time machine and go back exactly 12 years ago to Germany 2006 World Cup. They ended in a 1 to 1 tie

kimlsevier

Go Iceland

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks

@kimlsevier

Go Iceland


Dear Argentina,

You seem to have trouble with small islands.

Love,
The Falklands

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

Dear Argentina,

You seem to have trouble with small islands.


Small, cold islands ;)

AJ

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

Elyse beat Panama 3-0 ;)

AJ

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

Elyse beat Panama 3-0 ;)


Indeed! ;-)

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

The socceroos were unlucky today, they played well in the second half but didn't quite bring home the bacon.

Now they have to beat Peru handsomely and hope.

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

The socceroos were unlucky today, they played well in the second half but didn't quite bring home the bacon.

Now they have to beat Peru handsomely and hope.

Yes, they played well after a horror start.

At this point, any win against Peru should be enough -- provided France win against against Denmark.

I'll be hoping that Argentina crush Croatia later today in the group D match: France and Denmark would be unlikely to play out a defensive scoreless draw if Argentina look likely to win their group.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

I'll be hoping that Argentina crush Croatia later today in the group D match:


That match must be a good bet for a red card or two. Croatia were very physical against Nigeria and Argentina are Argentina :(

It's a good thing video refs aren't allowed to take their guide dogs into the stadium with them. Ashley Young should surely have been sent off for elbowing a Tunisian in the face just before he contributed to the opening goal. As Columbia showed, technical superiority isn't enough when you're playing most of the match with only ten men in very hot and humid conditions.

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

Do we cry for Argentina now?

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

That match must be a good bet for a red card or two.

It could have been three or four red cards if the ref had brought his guide dog along. :-)

Michael Loucks

@Ross at Play

Do we cry for Argentina now?


Absolutely not! We root for Iceland!

richardshagrin

@Michael Loucks

root

In 2006, Gatorade used an instrumental version of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" in a commercial over video highlights of the United States Men's National Soccer Team in the lead-up to the 2006 FIFA World Cup, closing with the tagline "It's a whole new ballgame."

Below are the lyrics of the 1908 version, which is out of copyright.

Katie Casey was baseball mad,
Had the fever and had it bad.
Just to root for the home town crew,
Ev'ry sou1
Katie blew.
On a Saturday her young beau
Called to see if she'd like to go
To see a show, but Miss Kate said "No,
I'll tell you what you can do:"

Chorus

Take me out to the ball game,
Take me out with the crowd;
Buy me some peanuts and Cracker Jack,
I don't care if I never get back.
Let me root, root, root for the home team,
If they don't win, it's a shame.
For it's one, two, three strikes, you're out,
At the old ball game.

Katie Casey saw all the games,
Knew the players by their first names.
Told the umpire he was wrong,
All along,
Good and strong.
When the score was just two to two,
Katie Casey knew what to do,
Just to cheer up the boys she knew,
She made the gang sing this song:

1 The term "sou", a coin of French origin, was at the time common slang for a low-denomination coin. In French the expression "sans le sou" means penniless. Carly Simon's version, produced for Ken Burns' 1994 documentary Baseball, reads "Ev'ry cent/Katie spent".

The above information is courtesy of Wikipedia who has far more information about the song than even SOL fans would want.

So you can root for any team at any sport, the lyrics and "rooting" are out of copyright, at least in the USA. That may not be true in what is left of the British Empire. Or the British Umpire.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
Ross at Play

@Michael Loucks

Absolutely not! We root for Iceland!

My natural inclination as an Aussie is to support the underdog - but rooting for a football team is taking things too far. :-)

Michael Loucks

LOL. All y'all makin' fun of 'merican English!

(Or whatever it is which passes for the common tongue of the North American refugees from the British Isles)

awnlee jawking

@richardshagrin

Let me root, root, root for the home team,


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I'd rather the cheating thugs of Argentina win than have Mad Vlad basking in glory as a consequence of FIFA's susceptibility to Russian oil money.

AJ

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

And a comfortable 5-2 win for Elyse against Tunisia. She's already through to the knockout stages even before she beats England.

AJ

Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

And a comfortable 5-2 win for Elyse against Tunisia. She's already through to the knockout stages even before she beats England.


LOL. Yeah. But Tunisia simply never gave up, despite being down multiple goals.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

I managed to catch some of the second half. The score when I switched on was 4-1. A light-skinned team in red shirts were doing all the attacking and a dark-skinned team in yellow shirts couldn't string two passes together, let alone get out of their own half. You can probably guess the incorrect assumption I made about the identities of the two teams :(

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play
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@awnlee jawking

You can probably guess the incorrect assumption I made about the identities of the two teams :(

Time to face the awful facts, no white-skinned team wearing white will win the World Cup in your lifetime - a compelling reason to stop Brexit if ever there was one!

Hold on ... That's total crap. Germany wears white shirts too ... then I looked at images of the English and German squads and realised England had already tried that. And it didn't work either.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

Blue shirts rule the roost when it comes to winning World Cups, hence Scotland's phenomenal record of success.

I haven't explicitly counted, but isn't England's squad about 50% caucasian, 50% other? Although the starters against Tunisia had a white majority.

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

hence Scotland's phenomenal record of success.

Yes, they're unbeaten in the knock-out phases of World Cup finals tournaments.

evilynnthales

Speaking as an american, I'd much prefer your football to our football.

We get to enjoy 3 hour games with 11 minutes of actual play.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@evilynnthales

Stats from the current World Cup matches show that for matches with a nominal duration of 90 minutes, the ball is usually in play for between 50 and 55 minutes.

AJ

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

Stats from the current World Cup matches show that for matches with a nominal duration of 90 minutes, the ball is usually in play for between 50 and 55 minutes.


I'll take that > 50% to what amounts to about 6%! I've completely given up on gridiron in favor of association football.

I may lose my 'American' card because I've also given up on NASCAR in favor of Formula 1. And these days, I prefer cricket to MLB. I never was an NBA fan. And whilst I am a huge NHL fan, I prefer my ice hockey on international-size rinks.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son

@Michael Loucks

I've also given up on NASCAR in favor of Formula 1.


Have you tried Indy car, https://www.indycar.com/ ?

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Ross at Play
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@awnlee jawking

And a comfortable 5-2 win for Elyse against Tunisia. She's already through to the knockout stages even before she beats England.

Will both Belgium and England be hoping to lose their last group match?

Both have already qualified. The winner of the group will be the winner of their last-round match, but will be decided by drawing lots if that match is drawn.

If Poland don't qualify from group H (after losing their first match), I doubt either would care who they face out of that group in their round-of-16 match. Senegal, Japan, or Columbia? Who cares?

As the groups now stand, the second place from group G will face the winner of Mexico v Switzerland in their quarter-final, while the winner of the group must face the winner of Brazil v Germany! :(

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

Wow! To think Panama qualified ahead of the USA.

Both have already qualified. The winner of the group will be the winner of their last-round match, but will be decided by drawing lots if that match is drawn.


Currently advantage England - they've had one less yellow card.

If Poland don't qualify from group H (after losing their first match), I doubt either would care who they face out of that group in their round-of-16 match. Senegal, Japan, or Columbia? Who cares?


I don't rate Poland either - all four teams are much of a muchness.

As the groups now stand, the second place from group G will face the winner of Mexico v Switzerland in their quarter-final, while the winner of the group must face the winner of Brazil v Germany!


Switzerland have a soft last game against Costa Rica, Brazil are facing a Serbia team needing to win and not afraid to be physical. Brazil v Germany is far from a given ;)

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

Wow! To think Panama qualified ahead of the USA.

Yeah! And the USA somehow conspired to finish behind Honduras too in the final qualifying group.

Currently advantage England - they've had one less yellow card.

You're right about yellow cards being the next tie-breaker.

I don't rate Poland either - all four teams are much of a muchness.

I don't have much faith in FIFA's ranking system, but Poland must be considered a potential threat to have reached #6 in world rankings, ahead of both Spain and Portugal.

Brazil v Germany is far from a given ;)

I agree that Switzerland are favourites to finish ahead of Brazil in their group. That's why I qualified my statement with 'As the groups now stand'.

Replies:   Ross at Play
Michael Loucks

@Dominions Son

Have you tried Indy car, https://www.indycar.com/ ?


I've watched off and on. Don't like the ovals, except for Indy, so that takes away a lot of enjoyment.

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Ross at Play

@Ross at Play

I don't have much faith in FIFA's ranking system

I don't have any faith left in it now. :(

Michael Loucks

@Ross at Play

I don't have any faith left in it now. :(


Check out FiveThirtyEight's system:

World Cup Predictions

You can see how things turned out based on their predictions.

awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

I don't have much faith in FIFA's ranking system
I don't have any faith left in it now.


There are certainly some major anomalies.

I looked at the rankings on FIFA's webshite - there was no 50th ranked team in the world!

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

There are certainly some major anomalies [in FIFA rankings].

There are usually reasonable for comparing countries in the same continent, but almost meaningless for comparing between different continents.
There aren't enough competitive matches between countries from different continents to shift relative ratings. In a four-year cycle, teams from Africa and Asia only play about 20 competitive matches each against teams from other continents.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

There are usually reasonable for comparing countries in the same continent, but almost meaningless for comparing between different continents.


I strongly suspect FIFA mungs the ratings, otherwise the world cup finals would consist almost entirely of European and South American teams - no team outside those two continents has ever reached the final. And when you compare how frequently relative outsiders reach the final of club cup competitions, and they even sometimes win, it's evidence that there's still a substantial gap in standards between those two continents and the rest of the world.

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

I strongly suspect FIFA mungs the ratings, otherwise the world cup finals would consist almost entirely of European and South American teams

There's no need for FIFA to "fix" anything. They allocate a number of spots to each conference (continent) and each conference then has internal qualifying rounds to select their number of teams for the finals.

The strength of African teams doesn't justify their 5 spots, even more so for Asia and Oceania with their 4 1/2 and 1/2 spots.

FIFA aren't interested in running the strongest possible tournament; they're interested in how much money they can make by selling broadcasting rights and sponsorships.

Michael Loucks

@Ross at Play

FIFA aren't interested in running the strongest possible tournament; they're interested in how much money they can make by selling broadcasting rights and sponsorships.


Isn't that true for pretty much any sport any of us could name?

Dominions Son

@Michael Loucks

I've watched off and on. Don't like the ovals, except for Indy, so that takes away a lot of enjoyment.


While a bit over half the tracks on the Indy circuit are ovals, there are 9 road courses and 9 street circuits as well.

s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IndyCar_Series_racetracks

The Indianapolis Motor Speedway has both an oval and a road course inside the oval. The Indianapolis 500 uses the oval.

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks

@Dominions Son

While a bit over half the tracks on the Indy circuit are ovals, there are 9 road courses and 9 street circuits as well.


Yes, I'm aware. But since I seriously dislike ovals (despite being a NASCAR fan in the past), that make following the series unfulfilling, as I basically wouldn't watch more than half the races...

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play
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@Michael Loucks

Michael & DS,

Did you two miss the note 'Americans may look away' in the title of this thread?

FYI, there'd be few among the 95% of the world's population who don't live in North America who've even heard of NASCAR racing. 'Football' is the only sport most of them care about, passionately, and for them that means a game played with a round ball.

awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

there'd be few among the 95% of the world's population who don't live in North America who've even heard of NASCAR racing


Isn't it like Formula 1, except the drivers control the speeds of their cars? ;)

AJ

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks

@Ross at Play

Did you two miss the note 'Americans may look away' in the title of this thread?

FYI, there'd be few among the 95% of the world's population who don't live in North America who've even heard of NASCAR racing. 'Football' is the only sport most of them care about, passionately, and for them that means a game played with a round ball.


Well aware of that. In my home, and with my kids and friends, 'football' means 'Association Football'. The other thing we call 'NFL' or 'gridiron'.

There are a few blokes in OZ who know about NASCAR from AUSCAR. :-)

Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

Isn't it like Formula 1, except the drivers control the speeds of their cars? ;)


Two words for NASCAR (and why I lost interest): Restrictor plates.

Replies:   oyster50
oyster50

@Michael Loucks

NASCAR stood for 'stock car' racing.

It's gotten so far from that, the actual 'NASCAR' racer has as much in common with a 'stock' car as ballet does with naval warfare.

Want to get ME to watch? Change the rules. "Each team will be given $100,000 to go out and BUY a car off the showroom floor. Each car shall be part of a production run of no less than fifty thousand units, and no modification past enhancements to safety shall be allowed.

Now, race THAT. I'll watch.

And 'football'? the one you play with your FEET? I'm a licensed coach and I do watch the occasional game.

Nice thing about American football is that you know when you can get up and go take a whiz without missing something.

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin

@oyster50

you know when you can get up and go take a whiz without missing something.

You just need to stand closer to the urinal.

awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

The strength of African teams doesn't justify their 5 spots, even more so for Asia and Oceania with their 4 1/2 and 1/2 spots.


It'll be interesting to see how many 'minnows' make it through to the knockout stages. At least one of Japan/Senegal, but Mexico are far from certs and I don't fancy Nigeria's chances even against a poor Argentina side.

It was highly amusing to read of the unsubtle implication that the Russians are drug-enhanced, based on the physical characteristics of their performances (distances run etc) outclassing everyone else.

Good luck to the Socceroos. I've actually been impressed by Peru and it's going to be a tough game to win.

AJ

Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

It was highly amusing to read of the unsubtle implication that the Russians are drug-enhanced, based on the physical characteristics of their performances (distances run etc) outclassing everyone else.

Isn't there an old proverb that warns people stop trusting if they're bitten by a wolf too often?

Before the World Cup started Russia were ranked #70 in FIFA's rankings, just ahead of these perennial powerhouses of European football: Macedonia (71), Belarus (78), Luxembourg (85), Cyprus (87), and Faroe Islands (90).

Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

Good luck to the Socceroos. I've actually been impressed by Peru and it's going to be a tough game to win.


They aren't faring so well - possession and decent attacks which peter out before they result in goals.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

Australia lacked a proper striker, someone whose principal responsibility is to put the ball in the back of the net. Too many chances fell at the feet of midfield players, whose first instinct in front of goal is to trap the ball and look for someone to pass to. Not that it mattered anyway, with France and Denmark playing out a tame 0-0 draw.

AJ

AmigaClone

Germany and Sweden both winning 1-0 would leave both of them, and Mexico, all on 6 points, +1 goal difference, and three goals scored; and Germany would miss out as things stand.


Recent history has not been to favorable to European World Cup winners, who although they won four of the last six tournaments, France the 1998 winner, Italy the 2006 winner and Spain the 2010 winner all failed to go to the bracket stage of the competition.

Brazil, which won in 1994 came in second in 1998 and after their 2002 win got to the quarter finals.

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Michael Loucks
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@AmigaClone


Recent history has not been to favorable to European World Cup winners, who although they won four of the last six tournaments, France the 1998 winner, Italy the 2006 winner and Spain the 2010 winner all failed to go to the bracket stage of the competition.


And Germany have bowed out quite epically. Sweden are through!

The brackets look to bring epic battles on the left side while Spain may be able to put things on cruise control on the right side prior to a massive showdown with Brazil.

But this is the knockout round, and anything can happen in a single match!

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

And Germany have bowed out quite epically.


And all England's penalty-taking practising was for naught :(

AJ

Ross at Play
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@Michael Loucks

The brackets look to bring epic battles on the [one] side

There are a lot of big names on Brazil's side of the draw. The cynic in me is wondering if England and Belgium would both prefer to lose tomorrow and avoid joining them.

awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

Allegedly Martinez is planning to rest some of his key players, including Hazard and Lukaku.

Nevertheless I suspect England will adopt a 7-2-1 formation, with Henderson and Dier being twin sweepers in front of the back five :(

AJ

Michael Loucks

@Ross at Play

There are a lot of big names on Brazil's side of the draw. The cynic in me is wondering if England and Belgium would both prefer to lose tomorrow and avoid joining them.


My friends and I were speculating this exact scenario. Can see someone 'accidentally' booting the ball into their own goal in the last moment to 'only' have to face Spain rather than go into the 'bracket of death' with Brazil, Portugal, France, Mexico, and (I laugh, but they might have the last laugh) Argentina.

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

Home crowd influencing the referee, steroid-fuelled team, I wouldn't write off Russia just yet ;)

Point taken though, the left hand side of the draw on paper looks rather formidable. I wouldn't want a Quarter-Final against Brazil - Neymar goes down clutching his face in agony every time he loses the ball or gets tackled, but he hasn't yet been booked for such blatant simulations, and he has won a few undeserved free kicks with his unashamed theatricals :(

AJ

Ross at Play

@Michael Loucks

Can see someone 'accidentally' booting the ball into their own goal

A draw may bad enough to secure second place for one of the teams. They are dead-level now. It goes to yellow cards if they draw, then a draw by lots if those are tied too.

Belgium currently has the "advantage" of one more yellow card from the earlier games.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

Can see someone 'accidentally' booting the ball into their own goal


Sommer, the Swiss goalkeeper, accidentally headed the ball into his own net to ensure they finished second in their group and avoided the 'bracket of death' ;)

AJ

awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

Another convincing win for Elyse, and Japan up next for her. Will your fiction imitate real life? ;)

AJ

oyster50

Well, that was fun -

Spain knocked out by #70-rated Russia, shat upon by the 'luck' fairy.

Denmark and Croatia - the first four minutes was wild West.

Enjoyed both.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@oyster50

The quality of the penalty taking was awful - players earning millions each year can't be bothered to learn the best way of taking them!

For the purposes of beating the goalkeeper, putting the ball just inside the angle of post and crossbar guarantees that the goalkeeper can't save it (unless he starts halfway there). However there are two risks: slight mishits could send the penalty over or wide. So statistically, the best place to aim is to one side, about halfway up. Not quite the same guarantee of beating the goalkeeper (Schmeichel actually saved one) but halves the danger of missing.

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

The quality of the penalty taking was awful

Yeah. Beaten 4-5 on penalties is being "shat upon by the 'luck' fairy", but beaten 2-3 is a self-destruction.

Why aren't the managers taking control off the prima donnas (earning millions) and insisting how penalties are taken? I'd guess players practice taking penalties against goalies. It would be better practice with no goalies and just targets the players are told to aim at with power.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

One of the penalties was truly awful, the ball trickling feebly along the ground, but because the goalkeeper had committed himself to going the other direction, it went it. I have to admit it was great theatre and the scorer subsequently celebrated as though he was a world-class penalty-taker, but what really irked me was the commentator's gushing eulogy for its excellence that, but for a wrong 50/50 decision by the goalkeeper, Brian the Magic Roundabout snail could have saved.

AJ

awnlee jawking

A lucky win for Elyse yesterday ;)

As a nation, the Japanese need more meat in their diet. That would increase their average height and avoid their otherwise better team from being beaten by Belgium's taller players.

England's match will be interesting. On paper they ought to win it because few of Colombia's team are good enough to hack it in our premier league, but Columbia have the better formation and tactics. England left their two most creative players at home, but Colombia may have lost their most creative player to injury. It could be a dour, unadventurous match.

AJ

Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

A lucky win for Elyse yesterday ;)


Indeed. Sweden won, which made my day today! And England nearly gave me a heart attack!

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

England were lucky! But the USA must be extremely embarrassed at the quality of their referee :(

Of the 8 round-of-sixteen matches, six were 'home wins', the two away wins being via penalty shootouts.

Sweden are the 'home team' against England, but Samara is likely to be very hot, perhaps favouring England. Very few Swedes are good enough to hack it in the English Premier League - their star defender, Lindelof, looked very ordinary playing for Man Utd last season. But then again, Sweden look more cohesive as a team.

AJ

Ross at Play
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@awnlee jawking

the Japanese need more meat in their diet. That would increase their average height

I doubt that would work. Average heights in Japan rose in the mid-20th century but leveled off during the 1970s. That suggests they're already near their genetic potential. And fish and tofu don't come with those nasty saturated fats as in meats, so they live much longer than Westerners. I guess the question is whether they want a long life or a tall one. :-)

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

Western heights are still growing. I suspect the Japanese heights levelled off for cultural reasons. They're genetically similar to Koreans, and the South Korean team now has some tall players - South Korea even produces men's netball players, and those have to be very tall.

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

men's netball

Whoa! Men's netball?

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

Whoa! Men's netball?


Americans call it basketball ;)

AJ

Replies:   Ross at Play
robberhands

The newest delay was mainly caused by the beginning of the FIFA World cup. Of course, you can hope for an early out for the German team, which would sufficiently solve this problem.

I wrote this end note after the match Germany - Mexico. You probably can imagine my readers had a lot of fun with it.

Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

Americans call it basketball

I knew what you meant but netball is a very different game, for women-only at the highest levels, and guess who's top of the world rankings?

Michael Loucks

Brazil booted!

England and Sweden up next! You can imagine who I'm cheering for!

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

Brazil booted!


Well done Elyse! France up next.

AJ

awnlee jawking

@Michael Loucks

England and Sweden up next! You can imagine who I'm cheering for!


I can imagine another team you were also cheering for but, alas for you, neither Russia nor Sweden were quite good/lucky enough to provide the semi-final you wanted.

AJ

Replies:   AmigaClone
AmigaClone

@awnlee jawking

If the two underdogs in the semi-final matches (Belgium and Croatia) win it will be only the third time that the two teams meeting in the final have never played in the final before. The other two times were in 1930 and 1934.

In 1938, 1950, 1962, 1966, 1974, 1978 one of the two teams in the Final was a previous champion.

In 1970, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1994, 2002, 2006 and 2014 both teams in the Finals were previous champions. Argentina and Germany were the most common combination having faced off in the finals three times. Brazil and Italy faced off twice.

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awnlee jawking

@AmigaClone

I wonder which conference England can play in once we've left Europe ;)

Perhaps CONCACAF will have us since we're so keen on a trade deal with America. Our presence ought to be worth another half qualifying place.

AJ

sunseeker

Too many days off between quarters and semis! grrrr

awnlee jawking
Updated:

Elyse was unlucky. I have to admire her Belgian martial art skills though, able to send massive opponents flying great distances from just a tap on the shoulder.

I don't fancy England's chances this evening. Croatia should dominate possession and England lack the creativity and quick interpassing skills to hit them on the break like France did to Belgium yesterday. That leaves set pieces, but I can't see England repeating their Panamanian successes against Croatia's rugged defenders.

Best bookmakers' odds for Croatia are 3/1, for England 13/8.

AJ

Michael Loucks

@awnlee jawking

don't fancy England's chances this evening. Croatia should dominate possession and England lack the creativity and quick interpassing skills to hit them on the break like France did to Belgium yesterday. That leaves set pieces, but I can't see England repeating their Panamanian successes against Croatia's rugged defenders.


England have had the better chances, but did score from a set piece. We're in extra time now, with this very likely going to the carnival game which is kicks from the mark.

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sunkuwan

@Michael Loucks

Croatia WON! Really happy for them, now they just have to kill France and win the Cup :D

awnlee jawking

@sunkuwan

And England get to play Elyse again! I think that's a game both countries would gladly forgo.

now they just have to kill France


I've been very disappointed by France. Considering the talent pool they have at their disposal, they should be able to go out and boss games, rather than sitting back and playing on the break. Sadly, I think their underwhelming tactics will triumph against Croatia - Lingard and Sterling had the Croatian defence in trouble with their speed, but lacked the ability to convert that into chances. France don't.

AJ

awnlee jawking

@awnlee jawking

Best bookmakers' odds for Croatia are 3/1


Gambling cognoscenti will know that, had I followed my own advice and bet on Croatia at 3/1, I would have lost.

I don't actually bet on football nowadays - not in the last 3 years IIRC.

AJ

awnlee jawking

@sunkuwan

Croatia WON! Really happy for them, now they just have to kill France and win the Cup :D


They tried. But they were beaten by the refereeing. (How could the VAR team miss Pogba's rugby tackle of Mandzukic????)

I was going to complain about the number of 'cup finals' this season that were actually decided in the semis (World Cup, Champions League, Europa League, FA cup), but France v Croatia turned out to be a pretty fascinating match.

And Elyse beat England again :(

AJ

Vlad_Inhaler

Croatia were unbelievably inferior.

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awnlee jawking

@Vlad_Inhaler

Croatia were unbelievably inferior.


Croatia had two thirds of the possession and two thirds of the shots on goal. But France were very professional, rotating the players fouling Mandzukic and Modric to reduce the risk of yellow cards.

AJ

Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

Croatia had two thirds of the possession and two thirds of the shots on goal.

These stats agree that Croatia has two-thirds of shots on goal - but have France with 6 out of 6 on target and Croatia only 4 out of 12.

France were very professional, rotating the players fouling Mandzukic and Modric to reduce the risk of yellow cards.

All's fair in love and war!

Vlad_Inhaler

@awnlee jawking

Croatia were unbelievably inferior

One of the Croatian team said that about England after the semi-final. What comes around comes around.

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awnlee jawking

@Vlad_Inhaler

Croatia were unbelievably inferior


That was your verdict, not mine.

Considering Croatia's total population is about half that of London, to produce a team that outplayed France for most of the final is a magnificent achievement.

AJ

Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

Considering Croatia's total population is about half that of London, to produce a team that outplayed France for most of the final is a magnificent achievement.

Croatia has an astonishing record in the World Cup for a country of just over 4 million people.

They've qualified for the finals 5 out of their 6 attempts, from the European conference which is extremely tough. The only European countries to have qualified all 6 times in that period are Germany, France, England, and Spain. The others who've qualified 5 times are Italy and Portugal.

At the finals, they've qualified from the group stages 2 out of 5 times. That's not bad, but their record in knockout matches is incredible - 6 wins from 8 matches. Their scalps include Germany, Italy, England, and the Netherlands. The only team to have beaten them in a knockout game is France. They knocked out Croatia in the semi-final on their way to winning in 1998, and beat them again this time in the final.

I think France were the marginally better side - but it was not way until France were given that ridiculous penalty in the second half to gain the lead. :(

As for VAR, overall I think it worked very well. The exception is a number of stupid penalties given for handball when players merely did not have time to react so the ball would not hit their arm.

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awnlee jawking

@Ross at Play

As for VAR, overall I think it worked very well.


Yes, without the VAR team looking for major infringements missed by the referee, Croatia wouldn't have been awarded their penalty for Pogba rugby-tackling Mandzukic at a corner.

Wait a mo, Croatia didn't get a penalty! The VAR team must have left their guide dogs at home.

AJ

Vlad_Inhaler

@awnlee jawking

It was not my verdict, it was a reaction to http://www.ukpressit.com/england-were-unbelievably-inferior-croatian-press-on-world-cup-semi-final-football/ (something I thought came from the team).

Going back to that semi-final, for the first 45 minutes Croatia made Sweden look good in comparison. England were breaking through almost at will, they just could not get that second - or third - goal and that came back to bite them after an hour.

France had an enormous advantage when it came to the final - 25 extra hours to recuperate. This was even before the referee got involved.
Four years ago the Germans had an even bigger advantage, their semi-final was over before half-time and the other one went the full 90+30 minutes.

Poor referees are nothing new in the World Cup, the worst ones I remember were in games involving both co-hosts back in 2002. I think it was Italy who had a player chopped down in the area and the 'ref sent him off for diving. Spain were also victims.
One particular referee sent the Soviet Union back home with an appalling decision, a couple of World Cups later he sent the Russians home with another travesty. At this point even FIFA noticed and he was kicked off the list.

AmigaClone

@Vlad_Inhaler

There have also been several referees that permitted violent play by members of one team to the point that some of the players victimized by that violence required weeks or even months before being able to play again. In some cases the player who caused that injury did not even get a yellow card.

awnlee jawking

@Vlad_Inhaler

It was not my verdict,


I don't understand. Who actually claimed 'Croatia were unbelievably inferior'?

AJ

BlinkReader

At the end there is one (not so) funny stupidity about Croatian team:

Some liberal idiots have written that Croatian team is racist because they don't have any black members on team...

robberhands

@BlinkReader

Some liberal idiots have written that Croatian team is racist because they don't have any black members on team...

Even though this thread was opened in regards to the FIFA World Cup, it's still the Author Hangout. So I want to ask you to clarify your ambiguous sentence. Are the people you were referring to idiots because they are liberals, or because of the asinine accusation you mentioned, or is every liberal an idiot no matter what they say?

awnlee jawking

@BlinkReader

Some liberal idiots have written that Croatian team is racist because they don't have any black members on team...


Some liberal idiots have complained that the UK drama series 'Midsommer Murders' is racist because the cast is too white.

They're currently attacking Rudyard Kipling's poem, 'If'. :(

AJ

Ross at Play

@robberhands

So I want to ask you to clarify your ambiguous sentence. Are the people you were referring to idiots because they are liberals

As a point of grammar ... :-)

If the writer thinks being a liberal makes someone an idiot, they should just call them 'liberals'. The 'idiots' would then be implied.

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robberhands

@Ross at Play

If the writer thinks being a liberal makes someone an idiot, they should just call them 'liberals'. The 'idiots' would then be implied.

Exactly. It's dubious whether being a liberal automatically turns someone into an idiot or if being an idiot comes first and is a prerequisite to becoming a liberal. The stupidity of the statement in regards to the Croatian football teams gets lost in the shuffle in either case.

BlinkReader

@robberhands

Are the people you were referring to idiots because they are liberals, or because of the asinine accusation you mentioned, or is every liberal an idiot no matter what they say?


First some data:
Point is very simple - in whole f*****g Croatia there is less than 100-200 people of black color.
They simply didn't get any immigration during last 25-30 years.

So that what they stated is (let's say it polite) pure nonsense.

PS:
I still somewhere in darkest corner of my brain hope that there somewhere are some smart liberals (or at least one)...

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richardshagrin

@BlinkReader

liberal

"Definition of liberal
1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts liberal education
b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : openhanded a liberal giver
b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way a liberal meal
c : ample, full
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4 : not literal or strict : loose a liberal translation
5 : broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism
b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives"

seanski1969

@richardshagrin

5 : broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

I always knew I why I hated IDIOT Conservatives it's because I hate Fascists.

Really strange that on a largely sex-based story site that so many conservatives abound. I guess these are the same ones who hide their activities when they attend their deeply religious conservative churches.

PROUD LIBERAL

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awnlee jawking

@richardshagrin

5 : broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms


Like most self-applied labels, 'liberals' tend to be the exact opposite of how they think of themselves :(

AJ

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robberhands
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@awnlee jawking

Like most self-applied labels, 'liberals' tend to be the exact opposite of how they think of themselves :(

Probably an apt observation. So I guess you added an 'idiot' after 'liberal' to correct this phenomenon. However, it was you who applied the label 'liberal' as well as the endearment and I wonder whether your observation is still significant in cases where the label isn't self-applied.

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Ross at Play

@seanski1969

PROUD LIBERAL

There's one thing I think is always really stupid: when rabid right-wingers find one stupid statement by a liberal and portray that as if proof that all liberals are stupid.

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BlinkReader

@richardshagrin

"Definition of liberal


Hey!

I have some encyclopedias at home, some as dead tree, some on removable media, have at one click of mouse Encyclopedia Britanica, Wikipedia, you name it, they are somewhere close.
And I have read a lot from them...

So if I want some dry definition I don't need to read it here :D

BlinkReader

@Ross at Play

There's one thing I think is always really stupid: when rabid right-wingers find one stupid statement by a liberal and portray that as if proof that all liberals are stupid.


Stupid is to be so close to any political side, be they conservatives, liberals, american democrats or chinese comunists, socialists or republicans or crown monarchists, you name them ...

You always should think with your head, or at least check around if you are not familiar wit one topic.

Any of them who can't see behind one narrow outlook and lock his/her self behind this constraints doesn't deserve anything else than to be called stupid ..

Replies:   robberhands  PotomacBob
robberhands
Updated:

@BlinkReader

You always should think with your head, or at least check around if you are not familiar wit one topic.

I agree. That's why your statement should have been something like this:

Some liberals (If they were self-proclaimed liberals) made an idiotic claim that the Croatian team is racist because they don't have any black members on the team...

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BlinkReader

@robberhands

Any of them who can't see behind one narrow outlook and lock his/her self behind this constraints doesn't deserve anything else than to be called stupid ..


"Any of them who can't see behind one narrow outlook and lock his/her self behind this constraints doesn't deserve anything else than to be called stupid .."

They proclaim them liberals.
Is it not enough to call all of them stupid?

(The same is with any other narrow minded group, you can add there any political group ...)

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robberhands

@BlinkReader

Any of them who can't see behind one narrow outlook ...

You cite this and then ask "Is it not enough to call all of them stupid?" Seriously?

awnlee jawking

@robberhands

So I guess you added an 'idiot' after 'liberal' to correct this phenomenon.


No, I was merely echoing BlinkReader.

AJ

Ross at Play

OKAY! OKAY! I know many here don't consider golf a sport - but this is an opportunity to needle some Americans! ... who, if you don't recall, failed to even qualify for the FIFA World Cup after finished behind both Costa Rica and Panama.

The Americans were just beaten again by Europe in the Ryder Cup (a biannual team competition with 12 top players from each). They were trounced! 17.5 to 10.5.

The American players all say they're passionate about representing their country. But they're pretty hopeless actually. In the last 12 contests, Europe has won all six played in Europe, and three of the six played in America.

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Dominions Son

@Ross at Play

The American players all say they're passionate about representing their country. But they're pretty hopeless actually.


Meanwhile, the vast majority of Americans who don't play soccer don't give a rat's ass.

Replies:   awnlee jawking  Remus2
PotomacBob

@awnlee jawking

Like most self-applied labels,


First of all, I have no idea whether people who self-label are correct in their labeling. I wonder how you can you possibly know whether "most self-applied labels" are done so correctly? Do you have any scientific evidence to back up that assertion? Or is it just your unbiased opinion? Since, in your example, you apply it only to 'liberals' does that mean you've somehow determined that 'conservatives' or 'vegetarians' or 'mugwumps' do not misapply labels to themselves.

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PotomacBob

@BlinkReader

Since, by definition, I am always right, anybody who disagrees with me must be stupid.:)

awnlee jawking

@PotomacBob

Or is it just your unbiased opinion?


Nope, it's my biased opinion ;)

AJ

awnlee jawking

@Dominions Son

Methinks the resident troll was trying to needle Americans over the performance of their golfers.

However that doesn't deter me from being of the "don't give a rat's ass" variety. Who can take seriously a game in which it's possible to be a world class professional while clinically obese!

AJ

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joyR

@PotomacBob

I have no idea whether people who self-label are correct in their labeling.


As only they care, why waste time on them?

Anyone can self-label, however those that do open themselves to ridicule when their actions belie their label.

For the rest of us, to mis-quote 'Blazing Saddles'. Labels? We don't need no stinkin' labels..!!

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Dominions Son

@awnlee jawking

Methinks the resident troll was trying to needle Americans over the performance of their golfers.


1. FIFA is soccer not golf.

2. The vast majority of Americans who don't golf, don't give a rat's ass.

Possibly the only sport that is more boring as a spectator sport than golf is fishing.

joyR

@awnlee jawking

Who can take seriously a game in which it's possible to be a world class professional while clinically obese!


There goes chess, darts, sumo, power lifting, snooker, pool, bowling, etc etc

I'm still disappointed it's called the Ryder cup and not a horse in sight. Maybe that's what we need, mounted golf, a game like polo but for men with smaller balls. Unless of course you pronounce Ryder as 'Ride-her' like Mr Woods did, literally.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
PotomacBob

@joyR

Wasn't the original "stinkin'" quote from a much older movie? I think a movie starring Humphrey Bogart, though his character, IIRC, was not the one to use the line.

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Ernest Bywater

@PotomacBob

Wasn't the original "stinkin'" quote from a much older movie? I think a movie starring Humphrey Bogart, though his character, IIRC, was not the one to use the line.


According to Mike Lowe in what he wrote of Shiloh, it comes from Casablanca.

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joyR

@PotomacBob

Wasn't the original "stinkin'" quote from a much older movie? I think a movie starring Humphrey Bogart, though his character, IIRC, was not the one to use the line.


With due respect, I'm not old enough to have been born when Blazing Saddles was released, so I've no hope when you ask about an older, un named movie, even one with Bogie in it.

Dominions Son

@Ernest Bywater

According to Mike Lowe in what he wrote of Shiloh, it comes from Casablanca.


Nope:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_badges

The original version of the line appeared in B. Traven's novel The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1927):

"All right," Curtin shouted back. "If you are the police, where are your badges? Let's see them."

"Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don't need badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and chinga tu madre!"

The line was popularized by John Huston's 1948 film adaptation of the novel, which was altered from its content in the novel to meet the Motion Picture Production Code regulations severely limiting profanity in film.[3] In one scene, a Mexican bandit leader named "Gold Hat"[4] (portrayed by Alfonso Bedoya) tries to convince Fred C. Dobbs (Humphrey Bogart)[5] that he and his company are Federales:

Dobbs: "If you're the police, where are your badges?"

Gold Hat: "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!

awnlee jawking

@joyR

There goes chess, darts, sumo, power lifting, snooker, pool, bowling, etc etc


All of which like to consider themselves as sport, despite there being no athleticism involved :(

AJ

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joyR

@awnlee jawking

All of which like to consider themselves as sport, despite there being no athleticism involved :(


There are several meanings to the word sport, other that the athletic one. So sport does describe those pursuits without implying physical exertion.

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awnlee jawking

@joyR

So sport does describe those pursuits without implying physical exertion.


'Physical exertion' is a requirement according to the Oxford Dictionaries definition, so I guess it depends which dictionary or rulebook you prefer.

As to whether the examples you cited qualify as genuine sports, we'll have to agree to disagree.

AJ

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joyR

@awnlee jawking

'Physical exertion' is a requirement according to the Oxford Dictionaries definition, so I guess it depends which dictionary or rulebook you prefer.


sport
noun
1 an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment: team sports such as soccer and rugby

(sports) British an occasion on which people compete in various athletic activities: I won the 200 metres in the school sports.

[mass noun, usually with adjective] success or pleasure derived from an activity such as hunting or fishing: I have heard there is good sport to be had in Buttermere.

[mass noun] dated entertainment; fun: it was considered great sport to catch him out.

archaic a source of amusement or entertainment: I do not wish to show myself the sport of a man like Wildeve.

2 informal a person who behaves in a good or specified way in response to teasing, defeat, or a similarly trying situation: go on, be a sport! | Angela's a bad sport.
chiefly Australian/NZ used as a friendly form of address, especially between men who do not know each other: hold on, sport!

3 Biology an animal or plant showing abnormal or striking variation from the parent type, especially in form or colour, as a result of spontaneous mutation.


Fishing isn't exactly a physical sport.

As to whether the examples you cited qualify as genuine sports, we'll have to agree to disagree.


No, I agree with you about them not being physically demanding, it's only the definition of the word we disagree on.

But I do appreciate you being a good sport. :)

awnlee jawking

@joyR

But I do appreciate you being a good sport. :)


1 - I'm not Australian.
2 - Isn't a 'good Australian' an oxymoron? If they were good, why were they convicted?

AJ

Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

Do you recognise the existence of an half-good Australians?

My mother was born an English Rose.

My father's side are all Australian-born petty criminals for as far back as I have any knowledge.

joyR

@awnlee jawking

1 - I'm not Australian.


See 2. in my post...

Note: No antipodeans were referenced in my comment.

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Ross at Play

@joyR

No antipodeans were referenced in my comment.

I assumed his shot was directed at me.

That's OK. I take gratuitous pot-shots at Poms all the time. :-)

joyR

@awnlee jawking

2 - Isn't a 'good Australian' an oxymoron? If they were good, why were they convicted?


Isn't that a rather catholic attitude? You know, original sin, sins of the father borne by the child etc?

Given that the last convict ship arrived in Australia just over 150 years ago, for how many generations do you consider their offspring to be guilty of their crimes?

Granted they have developed some rather strange customs and somehow evolved into a country of two separate but similar religions, namely Fosters and Castlemaine, but they also gave us Cate Blanchett, Nicole Kidman and Margot Robbie, oh and Hugh Jackman, added so I'm not accused of being sexist, and 'cos he's hot. :)

Anyway, back to the point. Time to call it quits on the racial profiling?

Remus2

@Dominions Son

Meanwhile, the vast majority of Americans who don't play soccer don't give a rat's ass.


Hopefully no one is collecting them to give in the first place.

Ernest Bywater

@joyR


But I do appreciate you being a good sport. :)


Hmm, I do wonder if you meant that in the 2nd meaning or the 3rd meaning?

(note this is meant as a joke)

Ernest Bywater

@awnlee jawking

2 - Isn't a 'good Australian' an oxymoron? If they were good, why were they convicted?


Only a small number were sent as convicts, there were a number of fre settlers who paid their own way, and there were the authorities and soldiers sent to watch them who often stayed as well.

Ernest Bywater

@joyR

I use physical appearance racial programming all the time. If it looks like a dog I declare to be of the dog race, if it looks like a cat I declare it to be of the cat race, if it looks like a human I declare to be of the human race, and so on. Subtle variations like skin colour and eye type and gender are not relevant to the classification process.

Ross at Play

@joyR

Typical Pom, always whingeing. Be a good sport, Sport. :-)

Ross at Play

@awnlee jawking

'Physical exertion' is a requirement according to the Oxford Dictionaries definition, so I guess it depends which dictionary or rulebook you prefer.

Could you give us a break on telling us you don't consider golf to be a sport? We all knew your opinion on that long ago.

Why can't you just take some delight from the fact that a bunch of obscenely overpaid, over-inflated American egos have been put through yet another ritual public humiliation?

madnige

@joyR

Australia [...] a country of two separate but similar religions, namely Fosters and Castlemaine


Unlike the USA, which is a country of two separate but similar religions, namely Bud and Miller

awnlee jawking

@joyR

My attempt at light-hearted humour has obviously failed. So I'll crawl back under my rock while sporting a massive dent to my social confidence.

AJ

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joyR

@awnlee jawking

My attempt at light-hearted humour has obviously failed. So I'll crawl back under my rock while sporting a massive dent to my social confidence.


Good boy. *smiles*

Behave and I might wear the leather boots you like so much. *Evil grin*

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking

@joyR

Behave and I might wear the leather boots you like so much. *Evil grin*


*drools*

AJ

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