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Do you study any medicine in pre-med?

PotomacBob 🚫

In a WIP, one character is a high school guy who is interested in becoming a doctor. In high school, he has managed to become an assistant trainer, wrapping ankles, massaging tight or twisted muscles, and thinks he might want to study sports medicine. He has grades good enough to get into most any college, but his family lacks the financial means to pay for it. His only hope is a scholarship. He knows he faces four years of pre-med before getting into a medical college. Question he does not know the answer to - will he take any medical courses in pre-med? I've checked several sites - discovered that anatomy and organic chemistry come up in pre-med - but not whether there any actual medical courses. Anybody know where I can find the answer?

Comedy 🚫
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@PotomacBob

Pre-med isn't a major you can actually take, it's more of a track. If you're pre-med you'll end up with A&P, a lot of chemistry classes, and some physics/statistics. You'll end up with a B.S. in Chemistry or Biology too.

Undergrad level medical stuff would mostly be first aid courses, some of the nursing classes, and maybe some physical therapy/sports medicine stuff, but those aren't likely to be taken by someone trying to go to med school.

Dicrostonyx 🚫

@PotomacBob

Most medical schools don't care too much what your education background is. In fact, even non-science majors are generally accepted as long as the can hit certain minimum knowledge levels in Biology, Chemistry, and Biochemistry.

For future reference, the r/Writeresearch subreddit is a great resource for this kind of question. Just pay attention to the rules: no questions that can be answered with a Google search and no self-promotion (ie, don't ask for help with a scene/ character).

It's a pretty large and old sub, so there's enough people that you can usually find answers to some pretty specialized stuff. Top posts in just the past week include popular hairstyles of the Victorian era, scuba diving in Cuba, 19th century court martial procedures, surviving falls, and daily life on a military base.

Michael Loucks 🚫

@PotomacBob

Covered in extensive detail β€” college, medical school, and Residency (and fact-checked by physicians) in my Good Medicine series.

The short version is, if you can score well enough on the MCAT to get into medical school, your major in college isn't all that important.

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The Outsider 🚫

@Michael Loucks

I had a friend (who's been a doctor for many years) major in and get his BS in Mechanical Engineering before going to medical school. He never did the whole "pre-med" thing ...

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Michael Loucks 🚫

@The Outsider

I had a friend (who's been a doctor for many years) major in and get his BS in Mechanical Engineering before going to medical school. He never did the whole "pre-med" thing

The physician closest to me has an undergrad in psychology. Not even a science major! She's a trauma surgeon.

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The Outsider 🚫

@Michael Loucks

As I read in another story long ago, "If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid…"

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Michael Loucks 🚫

@The Outsider

As I read in another story long ago, "If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid…"

The MC in Good Medicine basically says that about US medical training at just about every level.

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The Outsider 🚫

@Michael Loucks

I read that original book during college (August 1987 - December 1991), so you might have read the same book ...

William Turney Morris 🚫

@PotomacBob

I've always been puzzled by the US approach to medical (and law) degrees. You do some undergraduate degree, and then do the actual degree for the field you want. In the UK, and Australia (and probably many other countries), you do a five year undergraduate degree - Bachelor of Medicine / Bachelor of Surgery, and are awarded a MBBS. Same as law - you do a Bachelor of Laws (LLB). I guess in the US, that additional four years of law or medicine students paying huge tuition fees may be the reason for the postgraduate courses...

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The Outsider 🚫

@William Turney Morris

Is that what that stands for? I've been trying to figure that out for MONTHS, thanks! (One of my new doctors studied in Australia, and has an MBBS...)

DBActive 🚫
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@William Turney Morris

Why should they be the same?
The UK and US higher education systems are completely different and developed independently. Canada has a mix of the UK and US systems with some requiring a bachelor's degree while others only require a period of undergraduate education. Same is true of other systems.
In the US some colleges offer combined bachelor and MD programs lasting 6 or 7 years. They are not popular.

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The Outsider 🚫
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@DBActive

It seems like they should be the same, but aren't. I got certified as a paramedic in the US after an 18-month course. In Canada, or the UK, it takes longer, and requires a degree-level course, I believe.

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DBActive 🚫
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@The Outsider

Almost everything about the educational system is different in the US from the UK and I don't understand why they should be the same - the curricula are different in different countries as is the post-graduate training system.

One thing to consider is the applicant pool. At highly selective colleges it is not unusual for 2/3 or 3/4 of the entering students to declare that they want to be physicians. The undergraduate time allows weeding out those who either lose interest in that career or who are not up to medical schools.
Also, in other countries the mandatory post graduate education is longer than the one or two years required for full licensure in the US. Most MDs take longer residencies, but the mandatory period is shorter than in most countries.

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Michael Loucks 🚫

@DBActive

Most MDs take longer residencies, but the mandatory period is shorter than in most countries.

In Illinois, one can be a GP after a single year of Residency. So, 4 years university, 4 years med school (which includes 2 yrs of clinical rotations), and 1 year as a physicia, you can hang out your own shingle.

Most specialist Residencies are 3 to 5 years (including potential fellowships and specialization). Some surgical specialties (e.g neuro) can take as long as ten years.

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DBActive 🚫

@Michael Loucks

Yes, every state is 1 (most common) or 2 years.
Med school curricula do vary. Some start clinical the first or second year rather than the traditional last 2 years.

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Michael Loucks 🚫

@DBActive

I've written extensively on this. πŸ˜€ Something on the order of 4.5 million words.

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DBActive 🚫

@Michael Loucks

Yes, I know. Was just pointing out that the med school path can vary significantly in different schools.

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Michael Loucks 🚫

@DBActive

Yes, I know. Was just pointing out that the med school path can vary significantly in different schools.

I understand. And discussion of that is included in the story, which is what I was trying to say! πŸ˜€

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