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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ
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Is self-explanatory, according to the code definitions.

My dictionary says it's eating the flesh of human beings.

In a far future space-opera, it makes no sense to chuck dead bodies out of a spaceship - that would be a wasteful loss of biomass.

I have an unpublished story in which the protagonist boards a crippled pirate ship in outer space, then plugs in his AI, which takes control of the spaceship and locks most of the pirates in their cabins before sucking out their air to asphyxiate them.

Prisoners of the pirates are freed, but later revolted to find that the protagonist recycled the dead pirates and they're eating them for dinner.

Is that cannibalism? If so, how much processing would the dead pirates have to undergo before it's not considered cannibalism?

AJ

rustyken ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

To me cannibalism means consuming meat from the same species. Presuming the pirates are another species, then it would be the same as consuming meat from another animal.

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awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@rustyken

To me cannibalism means consuming meat from the same species

Apologies, I took liberties with the dictionary definition. You're right. Someone eating the flesh of another human was the definition of cannibal.

Presuming the pirates are another species

I hadn't decided that. But they were humanoid, as opposed to an insectoid species in long-term conflict with the human(oid) federation.

AJ

Replies:   Dicrostonyx
Dicrostonyx ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

As with most science fiction, this is basically going to come down to your decision. Good arguments can be made in either direction. This also applies when you use processing arguments.

One way to handle this is to have other characters discussing what charges, if any, to bring against the protagonist for their actions in "recycling" the pirates. For example, you could have just about everyone acting disgusted by it and agreeing that it feels like cannibalism but ultimately decide that they didn't, technically, break the law because the actual law still uses a pre-contact definition of cannibalism.

This is how you build character.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Is that cannibalism? If so, how much processing would the dead pirates have to undergo before it's not considered cannibalism?

If the dead pirates are being butchered, cooked and eaten as human meat, that's cannibalism.

If the bodies are being broken down to constituent elements to be used as raw materials to feed some kind of food replicator system, I wouldn't consider that cannibalism.

In between those two extremes, it would depend on details about how exactly they dead bodies are being recycled.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ
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@Dominions Son

If the bodies are being broken down to constituent elements to be used as raw materials to feed some kind of food replicator system

The bodies were processed enough to not obviously appear to be human flesh, much as the mystery meat in MacDonald's is not obviously from any known life-form ;-)

ETA Thinking about it, if the story was ever to appear on SOL, I think I'd use the tag 'cannibalism'. In the type of space-bound society I envisaged, recycling the biomass would be normalised and most people wouldn't bat an eyelid. But the rescued prisoners were not 'most people' and they were repulsed at the 'cannibalism' so it's only fair I tag the story as such in case readers share that view.

AJ

LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ
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@awnlee jawking

Is Soylent Green cannibalism? As far I recollect, that stuff was processed beyond any recognition, even as meat, and still triggered outrage when the processing was exposed.

There's been cultures that ate their enemies, for either utilitarian or ritual purposes (to supposedly magically gain the strength of the enemies), as well as cultures that ate their own dead, as a grave ritual if not otherwise.

Beyond social taboos, there's however good reasons why cannibalism within any species is generally not a good idea. Not only that human meat is notoriously unhealthy due to most humans lifestyle and own food choices. Even in farming there's now effort to avoid feeding cows with stuff processed from cows and similar. Beyond obvious infection risks, there's the wildcards like prions that can survive a lot of processing. Eating humans that have eaten humans is therefore especially bad idea.

When survival is at stake, the risk analysis can change significantly, but outside extreme circumstances it souldn't be practiced, even when all ethical issues are put at rest one way or another. Outrage of the folks being unknowingly fed human remains isn't unreasonable, especially if there's no clear communication that that's the last resort to keep them alive. Not to mention, it raises the question of possibility of them themselves being subsequently used as food source -- in context of the clear risks of premature death for just such a purpose.

Recycling in mystery box food replicator may or may not be presented as a remedy, but even if all the physical, epidemiological reasons are resolved with such, the ethical issues remains, in my opinion. I would expect spacefaring people to elect to dispose of perfectly good edible biomass just to avoid the collateral issues.

However, that's mostly a cultural thing. It's not unthinkable to define a society where most find nothing objectionable with being eaten, even, ultimately on demand.

Replies:   madnige
madnige ๐Ÿšซ

@LupusDei

Eating humans that have eaten humans is therefore especially bad idea.

Kuru anyone?
Kuru articles on NIH and NPR mention Chronic wasting disease with a similar transmission path, so maybe the hunters amongst you might like to desist before you become in-vivo evidence to back up the in-vitro evidence of possibility of transmission to humans.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

My dictionary says it's eating the flesh of human beings.

Just the flesh? Not organs?

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Just the flesh? Not organs?

My dictionary says 'flesh'.

Wikipedia (spit!) says 'In mammals, including humans, flesh encompasses muscles, fats and other loose connective tissues, but sometimes excluding non-muscular organs (liver, lung, spleen, kidney) and typically discarded parts (hard tendon, brain tissue, intestines, etc.).' So I guess it could be argued either way.

AJ

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