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Question from a reader regarding the cream pie tag

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

I received this question today and I thought it's worth posting here along with its answer:

Under the "Sexual Activities" Tag, you describe the activity "Cream Pie" as "Somebody licks a pussy full of cum"

I always believed that a cream pie meant that a pussy was filled with cum, not necessarily licking and eating it!

This is one tag that we have the original usage that was later perverted to mean something else.

As you can tell from the name, Cream 'Pie', pie is something you eat. It is a thing in sexual kinks to eat the cum out of a pussy.

I put the tag and its definition in the list when I started the site back in 1997-98.

The perversion of the usage started much later; after 2010.

Think about it, in sex stories, everybody cums inside, unless it's a fetish story about shooting on the face or tits or wherever. In normal sex, the man shoots inside. Inside a pussy, inside the ass, or inside the mouth, doesn't matter, they always shoot inside. Why would you need to tag that? It's nothing special; it's the usual behavior.

In porn, due to its visual nature, to assure the viewer that the man is actually shooting cum, they pull out and shoot, either on the belly or the face, but always somewhere to be seen by the viewer. So that became the norm for porn. A cum shot, the money shot, is almost never in the hole.

And then a wave of videos came out where they show that the cum shot is the authentic way, inside the hole, as it's meant to be by nature (can you imagine the reason why the normal behavior becomes a fetish?). They hijacked the 'cream pie' tag. Personally, I would have used cannoli instead (cream in the tube), but nobody consulted me.

It's basically the opposite need that we have for the 'Facial' tag. In written stories everybody cums inside and you're told so, but if somebody were to cum on the face then it's different and you need the facial tag.

So now we have stories on the site, old stories from 2000 tagged with cream pie as it's originally intended, and we have newer stories where authors feel compelled to use cream pie as it's being used on video porn sites for a while now.

Don't know how to solve the problem of conflicting usage of the tag.

Replies: Marius-6 Dicrostonyx tblev2011 norefund Pixy Switch Blayde Astronius awnlee jawking Mat Twassel madnige Switch Blayde

Marius-6 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

I use the "Cream Pie" Tag meeting the description of the c.2010 porn usage (I thought that was used as far back as the 90's?)

I use this definition because some of my sex scenes my characters use condoms, some they do not. The potential consequences of not using a condom are often mentioned. (Usually a reference to other forms of birth control.) Also, sometimes a pornographic video is being recorded.

Though pregnancy is almost never the result, in my stories, the potential for pregnancy, often a "concern" of others, not the people having sex, may be a plot point in some of my stories.

I note "cream pie" even if such may not be described in every scene, to be clear that I did not "forget" nor omit a condom in the graphic depiction of sex.

I can understand the original intent. I was not aware that "eating the cream pie" is the sites definition; because I presumed it was the alternative definition.

I don't plan to change my use of the Tag. However, I will try to remember to add my usage in the synopsis of my stories.

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Mushroom 🚫

@Marius-6

I thought that was used as far back as the 90's?

Actually, believe it or not it only dates to 1999. Before then, "Internal" was the word mostly used and it was rare outside of Japanese porn.

For gay porn, the term "breeding" was normally used.

There was likely so no real term for it as it was something rarely seen in straight porn until the very end of the 1990s. That is why in a few stories I have written that center around the porn industry of the time I use "internal:, to prevent an anachronism.

And as to why it appeared then, that was also when many states and a huge chunk of the industry moved to condom use. So if I had to guess, it was to show that there really were no condoms being used.

Dicrostonyx 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Not saying this is necessarily the best way, but one way to handle this would be to create two tags: Cream Pie (eaten) and Cream Pie (inside). All current stories with a Cream Pie tag would automatically become the "eaten" variant, and a script could send a message to all authors about the change. Any active authors who care could switch their tag.

Alternatively, you could set a reasonable date by which meaning is likely to have switched and have all stories after that date automatically become the new one. This is a bit trickier, though, since it actually means changing tags on existing stories while the first option is just changing how an existing tag appears.

tblev2011 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

I have never given this much thought, but it does make sense. Thank you.

norefund 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

For me, 'Cream Pie' is as you describe it (eating cum from a pussy), for the reasons you outline. Why would you need a tag for just coming inside a woman?

Pixy 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Language is a living entity and will always evolve and change with that of the users. I see the question as being, "Do thy thoust keepeth thy original vernacular?" or "Do we move with the times."

A perfect example is "Gay". It's original designation was just another word for 'happy', now it means a homosexual.

As the years pass, those who know creampie as the former, are dying, and the new intake of users know it as the later. The confusion as to the 'proper meaning' is only going to get worse as the oldies die out.

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@Pixy

I'm not all that old (still less than half a century on this run), but I like, wasn't even aware of the "new" meaning of "cream-pie" in porn context, only the older, eating out one. Then, the porn I consume is usually rather light.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

I believe the strength of SOL's Category Search is the standard list of story codes with definitions.

I've written quite a few non-consent stories with things like blackmail, coercion, etc. According to SOL's definitions they are not rape, yet legally they are (but so is consensual sex with an underage person). Yet I get messages from readers that I left out the rape tag. I then explain that, based on the SOL's definition, the story has no rape.

As I said, the strength of the Category Search is the standard codes. That strength is diminished when authors and/or readers don't read the definitions or ignore them.

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helmut_meukel 🚫

@Switch Blayde

the strength of the Category Search is the standard codes. That strength is diminished when authors and/or readers don't read the definitions or ignore them.

Two other examples:
• Indian male/Indian female used for a Native American character.
• MaleDom/FemaleDom: the definition clearly states the named gender is the dominant part. I've seen enough stories where the author thinks otherwise and used FemaleDom when the female is dominated by a male.
Obviously this misunderstanding is only a problem with heterosexual relationships.

HM.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

As I said, the strength of the Category Search is the standard codes. That strength is diminished when authors and/or readers don't read the definitions or ignore them.

I agree. The site definition of cream pie involves eating, so if authors use it when there's no eating, readers will lose confidence in the coding system.

AJ

Astronius 🚫
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@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Wiktionary gives definitions going back to 1999 where the definition is principally, if not exclusively: 'visible male ejaculation in a vagina.' The logic being apparently that the effect resembles an edible pastry consisting of two pieces of cookie sandwiching a soft white creamy filling, that's visible to the naked eye.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/creampie

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

As you can tell from the name, Cream 'Pie', pie is something you eat.

It's not just any Cream Pie, it's M&S Cream Pie :-)

(Brit humour)

AJ

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Pixy 🚫

@awnlee jawking

And for the more adventurous, "It's not just any Cream Pie, it's S&M Cream Pie..."

Mat Twassel 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Whether accurate or not, my take on Cream Pie is that the cum is apparent, whether it is eaten or not, and what's more, the appearance typically involves the oozing out of the recently discharged seminal fluid. Granted, this is a visual interpretation, but I suspect the nomenclature stems from pictures and videos more than text.

In any case, it might be good to note that a reader, encountering the code in the story's description, does not have immediate access to the definition.

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helmut_meukel 🚫

@Mat Twassel

In any case, it might be good to note that a reader, encountering the code in the story's description, does not have immediate access to the definition.

Hmmm,
the first time I see – and read – a story description is on the home page. From there the tag definitions are only one click away.
As a reader I looked-up the tag definitions quite early after I found the site, because I wanted to know what to seek for and what to avoid. Maybe I'm not the typical reader, other may rely on guessing the meaning of the tags and then be surprised when the story doesn't hold what they expected.
Such a surprise may happen to me too, when the author misuses a tag, but then I'll let him know how pissed I am.

HM.

Replies: Mat Twassel

Mat Twassel 🚫

@helmut_meukel

Hmmm,
the first time I see – and read – a story description is on the home page. From there the tag definitions are only one click away.

I guess that's sort of true, although in the story description we have "tags" and on the home page we have "codes" and if you click on codes you've got a whole lot of scrolling to do. More convenient might be a mouse-over on the tags in the description.

Replies: Keet

Keet 🚫

@Mat Twassel

More convenient might be a mouse-over on the tags in the description.

Please not, after the tenth time you see the same description pop up it becomes very annoying.

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@Keet

How about just making the word Tags in a story description a link to a table of the tags for a story with their description? Could be a pop-up or a separate page.

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Keet 🚫

@solitude

How about just making the word Tags in a story description a link to a table of the tags for a story with their description? Could be a pop-up or a separate page.

That would mean a whole series of extra links on the home page. "Under water" that means a lot of extra data to load the page. A link in the left column should be sufficient.

Replies: Dominions Son solitude Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Dominions Son 🚫

@Keet

A link in the left column should be sufficient.

Maybe, but that link should be on every story list page, not just the home page.

The advantage of a tool tip, or the tags being links is to get a focused definition of the one tag, rather than having to search through a list of definitions.

I don't know how that balances out against other considerations such as page load times.

solitude 🚫

@Keet

That would mean a whole series of extra links on the home page.

I was thinking one extra link per story, leading to a page with the name of the story and the author (linking to the story's info page and the author's page respectively), a list of applicable tags and their descriptions, and a home button. Perhaps also a back button.

Or the page could have the same info as on the story's entry on the home page, but with the tag section being a table, pairing the the relevant tags and their description.

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solitude 🚫
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@solitude

in fact, for consistency this should apply throughout the site(s), so that anywhere you get the word 'Tags' followed by a list of tags for a story, the word Tag should be a link to the 'taginfo page' for that story.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Keet

A link in the left column should be sufficient.

I thought so, and put one there years ago. Maybe I should change the wording from 'Codes Definition' to 'Tags Definition'.

I added a new link at the top of each story listings page.

Replies: Mat Twassel

Mat Twassel 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

I took a look at the "Tags" list on the home page. The number of stories indicated for the tags is sometimes wrong, sometimes by quite a bit. For instance, the tag FA in the list claims 39 stories, but if one clicks on the tag one gets 2177 stories. Not only that, but the very first story in this list (Things that Go Bump in the Night) does not include the FA tag. In fact, most of the stories in the first page of the list don't have the FA tag.

Sometimes the number of stories matches what is in the Tag list. And at least in some instances it understates the number. For instance, I looked at the Dolls tag (in part because it says there are only 3 stories tagged Dolls). As it happens, I tagged one of my stories Dolls, and it shows up in the list, but the total Dolls tagged stories is 4.

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@Mat Twassel

I took a look at the "Tags" list on the home page. The number of stories indicated for the tags is sometimes wrong, sometimes by quite a bit. For instance, the tag FA in the list claims 39 stories, but if one clicks on the tag one gets 2177 stories.

The Ma by tag list is also not just showing stories tagged for MA(solo).

Something is wrong with the by tag query. I clicked through to the FA story list and the first story listed is tagged: Ma/Ma, Paranormal, Vampires, Halloween

The Ma by tag list is also showing stories not tagged with Ma(solo)

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)
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@Mat Twassel

the tag FA in the list claims 39 stories, but if one clicks on the tag one gets 2177 stories.

Some tags triggered a bug in the tag display page.

I've updated the code and now it's more accurate.

Please note that some numbers may be different because of code filtering/category exclusions.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@solitude

How about just making the word Tags in a story description a link to a table of the tags for a story with their description?

You're assuming readers would read the definitions. My guess is they won't.

madnige 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

Don't know how to solve the problem of conflicting usage of the tag.

Simple: rename the tag to Felch, has the meaning you need, not a new word (I met it in the '80s), and likely to stay 'pure' as the porn industry has expropriated 'cream pie' and so is less likely to do the same for 'felch' since it might confuse their customers

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Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)
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@madnige

Simple: rename the tag to Felch, has the meaning you need,

Thank you for the pointer. I will probably switch it, but not today as changing an existing code is not built directly into the engine and in this case I would have to differentiate because stories posted long ago and more recent stories. This will have to be done programatically.

ETA: I just looked for the first time at the number of stories with the creampie tag on the site and was surprised at the number. Over 5000!! I'm positive that only a handful of those mean it in the old definition that we have.

Replies: Switch Blayde

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

I will probably switch it

I wouldn't use felch. It seems felch is a UK slang. I wonder how many people know what it means. I didn't.

As to only a handful of the 5,000 stories with the tag being eating the cum out of the pussy rather than it simply oozing out, I doubt it. I would expect it to be the majority. As an author, I'm trying to think of when I would use a story tag to simply mean semen in the pussy. Why would that be a significant part of the story that requires a tag?

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awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Cum consumption seems to constitute the overwhelming majority in the stories I read, but then I don't choose based on the presence or absence of the creampie tag.

I also question the need for a semen in pussy tag. AFAIK, there isn't even a penis in pussy tag.

AJ

Switch Blayde 🚫

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

It just dawned on me that every Lubrican story would have the cream pie tag. I can't think of a story of his where women don't get pregnant.

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