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ystokes 🚫

1: What 2 words are spelled the same except that one has a silent letter yet are not pronounced the same?

2: What 2 words are spelled the same except that one has a silent letter yet are pronounced the same?

3 What word is pronounced with a missing letter in the spelling?

awnlee jawking 🚫
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@ystokes

2: What 2 words are spelled the same except that one has a silent letter yet are pronounced the same?

traffic and traffick
net and nett (Brit)
mat, matt and matte (Brit??)
night and knight
rein and reign

AJ

ystokes 🚫

@ystokes

I have never seen a k in traffic.

Replies:   Dominions Son  Radagast
Dominions Son 🚫

@ystokes

Image of a Chrysler K car in traffic: https://i0.wp.com/www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/1982-dodge-400.jpg?resize=600%2C380

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes 🚫

@Dominions Son

Image of a Chrysler K car in traffic:

The car is parked, not in traffic. Just pointing it out.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@ystokes

:P

Radagast 🚫

@ystokes

I've seen in used many times in reference to the modern slave trade: "human trafficking". I've no clue if it is an American, British or ESL style of writing.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫
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@Radagast

I've seen in used many times in reference to the modern slave trade: "human trafficking". I've no clue if it is an American, British or ESL style of writing.

Looking at the on-line version of the main American English dictionary, Merriam Webster, the 'k' is only used where a post-fix is added (trafficked, trafficking, trafficker). No idea if this is limited to American English.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/traffic

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Dominions Son

No, it seems to apply to British English too. But there is evidence of usage of traffick, written that way to emphasise the modern-slavery meaning. I guess it might become common enough for adoption by dictionaries in another decade or two.

AJ

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I'm quirky, but I'd use 'traffick' if I was referring to human trafficking; traffic if I was referring to network or road congestion/loads.

E.g.

"Scumbags who traffick in young girls"
"I was sitting in traffic"

But that's me, and I do weird things (compared to 'standard' English (whatever the heck that is, as there are at least three major variations β€” US/UK/SubContinent).

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Michael Loucks

A quick browse, and of the first three results for 'traffick' without a suffix, two were by EU officials and one by a US university. ;-)

AJ

DBActive 🚫

@ystokes

I believe that "traffick" is only used when "traffic" is appended by "ing" or "ed". That keeps the "c" from being pronounced as an "s".

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@DBActive

I believe that "traffick" is only used when "traffic" is appended by "ing" or "ed".

Also "er".

ystokes 🚫

@ystokes

This is so embarrassing, I forgot what my answer to #1 was.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@ystokes

1: What 2 words are spelled the same except that one has a silent letter yet are not pronounced the same?

If you overlook the accent, knee and nee ;-)

3 What word is pronounced with a missing letter in the spelling?

This is probably very localised but I was brought up to pronounce 'ought' as 'yort' rather than 'ort'.

AJ

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes 🚫

@awnlee jawking

If you overlook the accent, knee and nee ;-)

This should be for #2 because they are pronounced the same.

This is probably very localised but I was brought up to pronounce 'ought' as 'yort' rather than 'ort'.

I would say very localized. But you are close as the word I was thinking of has a missing r but still pronounced like it's there. I just gave it away.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@ystokes

If you overlook the accent, knee and nee ;-)

This should be for #2 because they are pronounced the same.

I would pronounce 'nee' as 'nay', and my dictionary confirms it.

Perhaps the American pronunciation is different.

AJ

Replies:   ystokes  Keet
ystokes 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I would pronounce 'nee' as 'nay', and my dictionary confirms it.

In my defense the dictionary also has that little mark above the first e of nee but no mark in knee. Without that mark how would you know the second e makes the first one a long E?

Keet 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I would pronounce 'nee' as 'nay', and my dictionary confirms it.

If you want the reader to read 'nay' you should write 'nay' and not 'nee'. I don't care what the dictionary says, a non-native English reader would read it just like it's written. Especially since both words have a different meaning.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Keet

We Brits like to preserve a little more of the French origins of words than our American cousins, hence blond (m) and blonde (f) despite English not generally not supporting genders on adjectives. And chaise longue rather than chaise lounge. Ne (m), nee (f) with an acute accent over the (first) e means a person's name at birth, although it's almost always used in the feminine form to denote a woman's maiden name.

AJ

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@awnlee jawking

We Brits like to preserve a little more of the French origins of words than our American cousins, hence blond (m) and blonde (f) despite English not generally not supporting genders on adjectives.

I thought Americans do that as well. The blond boy and the blonde girl.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I thought Americans do that as well. The blond boy and the blonde girl.

From what I've read on SOL, I think that's probably a minority.

AJ

StarFleet Carl 🚫

@awnlee jawking

From what I've read on SOL, I think that's probably a minority.

I may be a minority of one, but I make sure and get that right.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@awnlee jawking

From what I've read on SOL, I think that's probably a minority.

You can never go by what you read on SOL. From Grammar Girl:

The word originally came into English from Old French, where it has masculine and feminine forms. As an English noun, it kept those two forms; thus, a blond is a fair-haired male, and a blonde is a fair-haired female.

When you're using the word as an adjective, "blond" is the more common spelling and can be used for men or women, especially in the United States; however, "blonde" can also be used to describe a woman with fair hair, as in "Go ask the blonde woman at table 2 if she wants pepper on her salad."

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

You can never go by what you read on SOL.

I meant that usage on SOL probably reflects American usage in general.

Unfortunately I can't test it using search - both "blond " and "blonde " get 'more than 1000 files'.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@awnlee jawking

Unfortunately I can't test it using search - both "blond " and "blonde " get 'more than 1000 files'.

Too bad we can't make a SOL corpus for Google's ngram viewer.

BlacKnight 🚫

@ystokes

1: What 2 words are spelled the same except that one has a silent letter yet are not pronounced the same?

Who can turn a can into a cane?
Who can turn a pan into a pane?
It's not too hard to see it's Silent E

Who can turn a cub into a cube?
Who can turn a tub into a tube?
It's elementary for Silent E

He took a pin and turned it into a pine
He took a twin and turned him into twine

Who can turn a cap into a cape?
Who can turn a tap into a tape?
A little glob becomes a globe instantly
If you just add Silent E

He turned a dam, alakazam, into a dame
But my friend Sam stayed just the same

Who can turn a man into a mane
Who can turn a van into a vane
A little hug becomes huge instantly
Don't add W, don't add X
And don't add Y or Z
Just add Silent E!

β€” Tom Lehrer, "Silent E"

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes 🚫

@BlacKnight

Who can turn a can into a cane?
Who can turn a pan into a pane?
It's not too hard to see it's Silent E

Who can turn a cub into a cube?
Who can turn a tub into a tube?
It's elementary for Silent E

While a vowel may be silent it is used to change how another vowel sounds. In every case you site it changes the first vowel a short vowel to a long vowel.

I am talking about consonants that does nothing to any other letter but for some reason is used.

Replies:   BlacKnight
BlacKnight 🚫

@ystokes

While a vowel may be silent it is used to change how another vowel sounds. In every case you site it changes the first vowel a short vowel to a long vowel.

I am talking about consonants that does nothing to any other letter but for some reason is used.

That's not the question you asked. As Mr. Lehrer points out, there are many, many answers to the question you actually asked.

Here's one for you: What two words are pronounced the same, but spelled differently, and have different meanings?

(There are lots of answers to this one, too, but the pair I have in mind here is site/cite.)

Switch Blayde 🚫

@BlacKnight

What two words are pronounced the same, but spelled differently, and have different meanings?

led/lead

Switch Blayde 🚫

@BlacKnight

site/cite

and sight

ystokes 🚫

@BlacKnight

That's not the question you asked. As Mr. Lehrer points out, there are many, many answers to the question you actually asked.

I am sorry if I assumed most people would understand I meant consonants since silent vowels would be to easy. my bad.

What two words are pronounced the same, but sthatpelled differently, and have different meanings?

Why ask a question that is easy to answer? Where is the fun in that?

I need to fix the third question thou.
What is a word that has a missing consonant when spelled and replaces a consonant when spoken?

Replies:   BlacKnight
BlacKnight 🚫

@ystokes

I am sorry if I assumed most people would understand I meant consonants since silent vowels would be to easy. my bad.

How about know/now, then?

awnlee jawking 🚫

@BlacKnight

Here's one for you: What two words are pronounced the same, but spelled differently, and have different meanings?

For Americans, 'bidder' and 'bitter'.

There are many words in Englishβ€”such as metal and medal, bleating and bleeding, or bitter and bidderβ€”where t and d are often pronounced the same. In these words, however, it is not the case that t is being pronounced as d. Rather, the tricksters known as t and d are here being pronounced as a third sound, commonly known as a flap or tap and created when the tongue makes contact with another point in the mouth when sounding out a consonant. The flap that we may hear in a word like bleating is not the same sound as the final consonant in bleat, but it is also not the same as the final consonant in bleed. The flap occurs between vowels with the first being in a stressed syllable, so we do not hear the flap in words like attack, since the vowel following the t is in a stressed syllable.

(Merriam-Webster)

AJ

Replies:   DBActive  awnlee jawking
DBActive 🚫
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@awnlee jawking

There are many words in Englishβ€”such as metal and medal, bleating and bleeding, or bitter and bidderβ€”where t and d are often pronounced the same.

That may be true in some accents, but I, and everyone I know, would pronounce these pairs differently.

Replies:   ystokes  awnlee jawking  Kanga
ystokes 🚫

@DBActive

That may be true in some accents, but I, and everyone I know, would pronounce these pairs differently.

I agree. The Nun at school would smack your hand with the ruler if you did that.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@DBActive

Do you ever watch any US TV?

AJ

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫
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@awnlee jawking

Yes - and most pronounce the letters they are written

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@DBActive

Interesting.

Merriam and Webster, reseachers into cross-Atlantic dating and myself are all aware of the phenomenon, but it seems average American males are not only unaware they're doing it but they can't discern their peers doing it.

I wonder why that might be.

AJ

Kanga 🚫

@DBActive

Definitely agree. Must say I can't recall an instance of hearing those mispronunciations.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@awnlee jawking

Coincidentally, I read a report a few weeks ago that American women favoured British men romantically because of their ability to enunciate 't' correctly.

And further coincidence, Taylor Swift is going through a succession of British boyfriends ;-)

AJ

Michael Loucks 🚫
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@BlacKnight

Here's one for you: What two words are pronounced the same, but spelled differently, and have different meanings?

Compliment and complement

Discreet and discrete

Their and there

Among others.

Fun English:

He took a bow after scoring a bullseye with his bow which was made from a bough.

ystokes 🚫

@Michael Loucks

He took a bow after scoring a bullseye with his bow which was made from a bough.

While I admit I am no English major I always thought you needed a second vowel to make the first vowel long but here you have 2 words spelled the same with only one vowel and yet one has a short vowel and the other a long vowel and a third word that has a second vowel yet the first vowel is short.

redthumb 🚫

@Michael Loucks

...while tied with a bowling around hin while standing on the bow in the bow of a boat.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@Michael Loucks

He took a bow after scoring a bullseye with his bow which was made from a bough.

After Edgar Burroughs rows with his wife, he always rows across the lake to calm himself.

AJ

redthumb 🚫

@ystokes

While not a letter, there is cant (lean) and can't (can not)

DBActive 🚫

@ystokes

It may be wrong, but in every word ending in "mb" the "b" is silent.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@DBActive

It may be wrong, but in every word ending in "mb" the "b" is silent.

That's simply dumb. :P

hiltonls16 🚫

@ystokes

3 What word is pronounced with a missing letter in the spelling?

The name Doherty is pronounced Dockerty.

Replies:   ystokes  awnlee jawking
ystokes 🚫

@hiltonls16

The name Doherty is pronounced Dockerty.

I think that is very local.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@hiltonls16

The name Doherty is pronounced Dockerty.

I think it's more complicated than that - the 'h' is pronounced like the 'ch' in 'loch'. English doesn't have an exact equivalent (although Russian does) so it often gets anglicised to a 'k' sound.

AJ

Kanga 🚫
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@ystokes

For Q1, I can't see where someone mentioned 'read' and 'read' as present and past participles. Both definitely pronounced differently, yet spelled (spelt) the same.

Same for 'lead' and 'lead', though in Australian English I have almost always seen 'led' as the pp.

Replies:   madnige  ystokes
madnige 🚫

@Kanga

I can't see where someone mentioned 'read' and 'read'

Sorry,that was me - also mentioned red (colour), but went back to the questions, didn't think they really fit as answers and couldn't make them fit, and didn't have any thoughts on Q3, so deleted the post. You must have looked in the very few minutes they were up!

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes 🚫

@madnige

and didn't have any thoughts on Q3

Here is a hint, when spoken a "R" replaces a "L" even thou there is no "R" in the spelling.

ystokes 🚫

@Kanga

For Q1, I can't see where someone mentioned 'read' and 'read' as present and past participles. Both definitely pronounced differently, yet spelled (spelt) the same.

Those were discussed in another thread.

Michael Loucks 🚫
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@ystokes

More fun with English:

through

though

cough

rough

'ough' has gone rogue (and there are more examples where ough is not the ending). And let's not forget the alternate spelling 'hiccough' for 'hiccup' (both pronounced as 'hiccup').

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