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Storm ๐Ÿšซ
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I found this blog post from Eddie Davidson rather shocking: https://storiesonline.net/blogentry/58936

This is also not the first blog I've seen about this. I know that BadSammie wrote a blog post about the topic as well and so did some other authors in the past year.

I've been a part of this community for two decades now and I want to see it continue to be healthy. If there are rotten apples, then we must see about finding ways to remove them.

One of the things I can think of is that Lazeez puts up a warning that trolling authors won't be tolerated. Freedom of speech is one thing, being an asshole is another.

On top of that, maybe we can also get button to report these kinds of people to Lazeez?

If he receive multiple of such reports from different authors he could give even give an autoban, or alternatively ban people after reviewing the messages. It would also be nice if that person is auto blocked from sending messages to you again.

I know that this will cause more workload on his end, but he could even hire a volunteer moderator to handle it for him. Without some form of community control it'll be hard to get a handle on this situation.

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Storm

On top of that, maybe we can also get button to report these kinds of people to Lazeez?

Reader comments system at the end of stories provides a button to block a reader from commenting on a single story and another button to block any reader from commenting on any of the author's stories.

Similarly, the private messaging system also has a 'Block' button to block readers from sending you private messages.

Those are all the tools needed to handle trolls. They're there and it's up to each author to use them.

Replies:   Mythic Shadow
Mythic Shadow ๐Ÿšซ

@Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

I'll admit, I was not aware of this.

Thank you for the information, this is great news!

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@Storm

I think if we "Don't feed the trolls" (ignore them), that would be for the best.

If some troll makes an egregious post, Report them to Lazeez, but don't make a public post. Trolls crave attention. Deny them public responses and they are likely to go to where they get a response.

StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ
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@Storm

As Laz says, we as authors have the ability to block the trolls, but it's up to US to do that with them. In the comments section of my most recent novel, I've warned a few people of that ability and that I will us it.

And I have, on at least two different people. I've also deleted comments by others, on more than one story. It's not up to Laz to police OUR stories and emails, it's up to US to use the tools he's given us to do so.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Storm

Freedom of speech is one thing, being an asshole is another.

That's the whole point of free speech. The right to be a asshole.

In the age of social media how can anyone not expect to be trolled? Before social media most people didn't have the ability to attack strangers like they do now. So accept that this will happen and ignore it.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl  Stolen
StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

That's the whole point of free speech. The right to be a asshole.

Correct. However, in something that Hollywood actually DID get right (to a certain extent) in the old westerns, it's when someone says "Them's fighting words!" In other words, from a legal perspective, a verbal assault by person A upon person B can be used as an effective defense by person B as to why he committed battery upon person A.

Note that when you hear someone being charged with assault and battery that those are, legally, two different actions. Assault is the threat of, or attempt to cause, physical violence. Battery is the actual act of physical violence. Saying, "I'm going to kick your ass" is assault. Actually swinging and connecting in an attempt to do so is battery.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

Note that when you hear someone being charged with assault and battery that those are, legally, two different actions.

As I understand it, not all US states maintain the distinction between assault and battery that you describe.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/assault-battery-aggravated-assault-33775.html

Historically, battery and assault were considered separate crimes, with battery requiring that the aggressor physically strike or offensively touch the victim. In that way, a battery was a "completed" assault. Many modern statutes don't bother to distinguish between the two crimes, as evidenced by the fact that the phrase "assault and battery" has become as common as "salt and pepper." These days, statutes often refer to crimes of actual physical violence as assaults.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

As I understand it, not all US states maintain the distinction between assault and battery that you describe.

Same article:

Assault is often defined as any intentional act that causes another person to fear an attack or imminent physical harm. This definition recognizes that placing another person in fear of bodily harm is itself an act deserving of punishment, even if the victim of the assault is not physically harmed. This definition also allows police officers to intervene and make an arrest without waiting for the assaulter to actually strike the victim.

While the statutes have been changed to reflect the current model of charges being pressed against an offender, that does not change the underlying definitions of the actual acts themselves, which go back to common law times. And if you don't think defense attorneys or prosecutors will reference that if necessary, you're sadly mistaken.

It's actually interesting, because while it also says later on in that same article that words alone are not considered assault, the WAY those words are delivered can MAKE them an assault. I'm sitting back in my chair and chilling with a beer (NOT a Bud Light) and I look at you and say, "Dom, I'm gonna kick your ass." That's not assault. I lean forward in the chair, and slam my empty glass on the table and say, "Dom, I'm gonna kick your ASS!" THAT'S assault.

Stolen ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

I agree. In a sense, we are all trolls. The electronic computer net is supposed to allow people to browse, download, upload, buy something online, or any of those things in any combination of two or more at the same time. I don't really see how troll can be used for someone who is just browsing and not contributing or donating because contributing and donating is not a requirement for most electronic computer net sites. If it is required to contribute or donate in some way, it can be stated by the person maintaining the electronic computer net site.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Storm

If assault and battery are 2 different things does that mean country and western music are 2 different things?

Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

If assault and battery are 2 different things does that mean country and western music are 2 different things?

According to The Blues Brothers they are!

"We got both kinds! Country AND Western!"

StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

Actually, they are, and were only combined due to the recording industry. Country music has its roots in 'hillbilly' music - and you may as well start thinking of Dueling Banjos in your mind, because that's EXACTLY what hillbilly music was all about, stuff with roots in the Appalachia mountains. Western music was more the swing and cowboy songs - 'Git along, little doggies' and such.

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

Western music was more the swing and cowboy songs - 'Git along, little doggies' and such.

I always thought of it the other way. Western is Hank Willams Sr. and country was Hank jr.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ
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@ystokes

Western is Hank Willams Sr. and country was Hank jr.

The roots of country music and western music go further back in time than both men. I grew up listening to Lefty Frizzel, Red Sovine, George Jones, Loretta Lynn, Tammy Wynette, Johnny Cash, and others.

I mean, c'mon - if you're from that generation, who can't remember and sing along with "It was the dark of the moon on the sixth of June, in a Kenworth, pulling logs. Cab over Pete with a reefer on, and a Jimmy, hauling hogs. We was headin' for bear on I one oh, bought a mile out of shaky town, I said, Pig Pen, this heres Rubber Duck, and I'm about to put the hammer down!"

Although I do think Bud Light was paying homage to both Senior and Junior with their new cover of the William's famous song, with just one changed word. 'There's a queer in my beer ...'

Replies:   ystokes  George-1
ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

I mean, c'mon - if you're from that generation, who can't remember and sing along with "It was the dark of the moon on the sixth of June, in a Kenworth, pulling logs.

If being 62 is from that generation I would say me. I couldn't stand the music till late 80's early 90's when new country came around.

George-1 ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

You do know that song was written by Chip Davis, who went on to found Mannheim Steamroller?

Behindflayer ๐Ÿšซ

@Storm

Force authors like Eddie to tag their stories properly and make it possible to filter out tags like cuckolding from the home page.

That will reduce the amount of people who read stories from prolific writers like Eddie without knowing that his stories will feature whoring out your wife and daughter.

Not a guarantee that nobody will "troll" him of course, but I certainly wouldn't have read the one story from him that I commented on (and got deleted) if it had been tagged properly.

Replies:   Dinsdale
Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@Behindflayer

You got his story deleted, or your comment was deleted?

When the Home Page - as it is now - was first introduced, I pointed out that author / category exclusions were being ignored, the reply was along the line of "one size fits all". For a while I used "Updated Stories" as my home page, going to New Stories and to Blogs from there.

Replies:   Behindflayer
Behindflayer ๐Ÿšซ

@Dinsdale

Obviously, I meant my comment was deleted. I may express my opinion on a story and use the voting system as it's intended but I wouldn't even jokingly tell an author to delete his writing or report it just to harass someone.

Replies:   Dinsdale
Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ
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@Behindflayer

Occasionally we see stories "Deleted for Inappropriate Contents", typically with the Lolita tag. I had wondered.

Replies:   KimLittle
KimLittle ๐Ÿšซ

@Dinsdale

Occasionally we see stories "Deleted for Inappropriate Contents", typically with the Lolita tag. I had wondered.

If the Lolita tag were being used appropriately, shouldn't it be about a deluded protagonist desperately trying to justify the sexual assault they committed on an underaged girl?

Also, isn't it redundant now the 'teen siren' tag exists?

Replies:   Freyrs_stories
Freyrs_stories ๐Ÿšซ

@KimLittle

Teen Siren was added quite recently due in part to the Lolita tag not being inline with site rules, since '11 ish from memory.

So there should be no 'new' stories that pop the Lolita tag, just the Teen Siren one.

Replies:   Dicrostonyx  Joe Long
Dicrostonyx ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

I think you could probably still use the Lolita tag in two different ways.

The first would be an over 14, preferably over 18, character who is petite or otherwise plays into a lolita fetish. You'd have to be careful how you wrote it, but I see no reason it couldn't be done, especially if you leaned in to the cosplay aspect of it.

The second would be to write a story that's all about the protagonist's desire for the young character. As long as there is no sexual contact with the under-aged character and no explicit descriptions of the protagonist's fantasies, you could easily write a story about someone whose desire for something they can't have drives them to do other acts which are allowed to write about. Say, a character obsessed with his stepdaughter rapes a neighbour. Abhorrent, certainly, but legal on SOL.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Dicrostonyx

The first would be an over 14, preferably over 18, character who is petite or otherwise plays into a lolita fetish.

The second would be to write a story that's all about the protagonist's desire for the young character. As long as there is no sexual contact

The codes only work if they are used the way SOL defines them. Lolita is:

A pre-pubescent child (boy or girl, 12 or younger) initiates sexual contact with an adult.

Replies:   Joe Long
Joe Long ๐Ÿšซ
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@Switch Blayde

I'm planning a reveal in a future chapter for a character who's 12 but not pre-pubescent. Her mother catches her with her husband (step-father). What will be written has the distraught mother crying to her sister about how she walked in on them and "I just can't bring myself to describe it" leaving unsaid any details, just that something sexual happened. The point of having it in the story is not to show any details but rather how it affects the other characters.

StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@Dicrostonyx

first would be an over 14, preferably over 18, character who is petite or otherwise plays into a lolita fetish.

Not if you use ANY of the physical descriptions of the female body. I know this quite well as I had this discussion with Laz because a character in one of my stories is similar to the young lady in 'Interview with a Vampire'. Made into a vampire at age 10, but now over 300 years old. (Babette, from Skyrim.)

Replies:   KimLittle
KimLittle ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

StarFleet Carl

a character in one of my stories is similar to the young lady in 'Interview with a Vampire'. Made into a vampire at age 10, but now over 300 years old. (Babette, from Skyrim.)

A translator friend of mine started his career working for a certain American publisher of Japanese games. His regular job was to edit the English script translations and rewrite the play guide and website/box copy to ensure that the seemingly nine-year old character the player was raping was obviously explained as being a 400-year old witch who had been cursed to forever appear nine years old.

Joe Long ๐Ÿšซ

@Freyrs_stories

My recent story "Photographs" uses this method. The narrator talks about watching and photographing a girl as she grows up but doesn't act on his feelings until she's 14.

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