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CME/EMP - direction of visibility and occurrence

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

For a work in progress, if a CME/EMP were to hit earth - an impact large and strong enough to cause widsespread blackouts - in which direction would it move (or everywhere all at once?)
I know the sun rises and sets moving east to west. Would the onset of blackouts move the same direction - or the opposite direction? Would a blackout knock out the East Coast first, or california?
Would the Northern Lights, from any point in the u.S., be seen first to your west or to the east and everywhere all at once. If you were standing on top, of say, the Appalachian Mountains, would you see the Northern Lights on the Western horizon or the Eastern horizon - or somewhere else?

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

According to my research a CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) would not actually "hit" Earth. Some of the effects would interact with the Earth's atmosphere, electrical field, magnetic field, etc.

It would depend upon the time the event occurred, and in the 21st century we should have a fairly accurate estimation of when it would begin effecting out atmosphere and technological works. How powerful the event would determine a multitude of factors.

Some mitigation should be possible. Most of what we Need to do has to be begun years, decades even, before the event.

So much of what might happen is theoretical. The Earth's orbit is somewhat elliptical; some years we are a bit further from the sun than others. Depending upon the time of the year there is a variance of the axial tilt (resulting in winter in the northern hemisphere, and summer in the southern). Depending upon the power of the event, that may, or may not matter.

During the Carrington Event, it is reported that some telegraph lines, and other electrical devices Melted! Of course, they would melt under electrical loads routinely carried over lines in the 1940's, let alone the 21st century.

While politicians around the world have been seemingly oblivious, verging on negligent about the dangers of a EMP/CME. My research indicates that some measures have been enacted, often for other reasons, that might mitigate some of the worst effects. Of course, that depends upon how powerful the event is.

There is some speculation that "preparing for an massive EMP/CME attack is cost prohibitive" or that the masses won't survive to inflict consequences, and the "elites" will have "safe havens" it can be murky. Electrical infrastructure is often a national secret, even in the USA. NATO attacks upon the Serbian electrical grid in the 90's, as well as USA and coalition forces attacks upon the Iraqi grid, resulted in many nations, and some other entities, taking discreet measures to "harden" their grids, and some devices.

In a fiction story you have quite a bit of latitude.

Replies:   Fra Bartolo
Fra Bartolo ๐Ÿšซ

@Paladin_HGWT

The Earth's orbit is somewhat elliptical; some years we are a bit further from the sun than others. Depending upon the time of the year there is a variance of the axial tilt (resulting in winter in the northern hemisphere, and summer in the southern).

Close, but no cigar for you ;-)
While earth's orbit is elliptical, the date of its closest approach to the sun doesn't change very much from year to year: "On a very long time scale, the dates of the perihelion and of the aphelion progress through the seasons, and they make one complete cycle in 22,000 to 26,000 years." Also, "The axis of Earth remains oriented in the same direction with reference to the background stars regardless of where it is in its orbit." So one pole is closer to the sun for half a year, and it's hemisphere goes through spring-summer-autumn while the other hemisphere goes through autumn-winter-spring at the same time.
Or to be precise, "Earth's obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle."

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsis

-FB

StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Well, watch what happens tomorrow (Friday, March 31). We're supposed to get hit with an X1.2 level storm, which could cause radio blackouts and other interference.

The northern lights would literally be seen coming down from the north, not on the horizon, due to the way the Earth's magnetic field works. It's like a spinning gyroscope, so even when tilted, the top - the north magnetic pole - still functions as where stuff originates, and it goes southward from there.

Blackouts would start wherever the electric grid was overloaded, which would again start affecting Canada and Russia as the major nations first. So, you'd see Canada get hit, then as the load attempted to shift, it potentially could cascade south from there. Here's an image from NASA, showing areas of potential system collapse in the US.

Those of alive at the time remember the March of 1989 storm, where auroras were seen in Texas and Florida. We may not remember there was another one in August of 1989 that also caused issues. Everyone talks about the Carrington Event of September, 1859, but no one talks about the New York Railroad Storm of 1921, which was the biggest storm of the 20th Century. It got that name because it caused fires in the telegraph at the Grand Central Terminal in New York.

garymrssn ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

A little more information on the current storm.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/northern-lights-dance-across-u-s-because-of-stealthy-sun-eruptions1/

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