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Something i was wondering how other authors handle 9/18/22

blackjack2145309 🚫

While i was working on my writing, a question occurred to me that i thought would be worthy to post here.

Okay let's say that you've been writing the "fight" part of your story with multiple goons to knock down that won't survive til the next adventure...

If that doesn't describe it well enough for ya, think of it like a Batman comic beat down fighting his way to the main villain.

My question is how do you differentiate between multiple goons in your writing?

I'm mostly curious how others do it because lately i've been using "Tango-X" where X is the number of the goon as they're encountered by order of appearance.

Pixy 🚫
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@blackjack2145309

I would have thought the simplest way would be to describe them ie,

"Batman grabbed the thug with the baseball bat, punched his hand into the thugs chest, ripped out his lungs, pivoted and threw the mess towards the man with the cleaver. As the man with the cleaver fended off the lungs, Batman leaped to a thug holding a bike chain, kicked him so hard between his legs that a bloody testicle popped out of his mouth, which BAtman headed into a trash can. Keeping up the momentum and the remaining 4 thugs off guard, Batman grabbed the nuclear device and stuffed it up the arse of an effeminate scarred bloke in a dress, whilst he ripped out the tongue of the one wearing a Taylor Swift t-shirt..."

EDIT: If you need to include speech then use the description ie "Effeminate man screamed and called out for his mother, his father, and pet dog, 'Lassie! Save me from this non surgically inserted nuclear device' as a tongue whistled past his ear.

Redsliver 🚫

@blackjack2145309

I just wrote a scene where our hero fights waves of monsters coming at him and he's leaving corpses in the doorway.

I set apart two, because they got more than a spear thrust or a draw cut, but the rest I just piled up as "The rat" over and over again. The reader knew there could be near infinite of them anyways.

But like Pixy's above, just giving each goon something of note - maybe a different weapon, maybe boots vs sneakers, is more than enough, especially if they aren't going to last the fight.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@blackjack2145309

My question is how do you differentiate between multiple goons in your writing?

If you really need to, then the technique suggested by Pixy and Redsliver should be fine - just give each good an identifying feature - physical characteristic, clothing or weapon for example.

Gamelit type stories which involve the killing of lots of identikit baddies are often done without identifying each one unless they're particularly unwilling to die. Ka Hmnd writes stories which involve the protagonist 'dancing' through masses of baddies while slaughtering them - I think he does it quite well.

AJ

mrherewriting 🚫

@blackjack2145309

A goon is a goon. If you try to make everyone standout, eventually no one will.

richardshagrin 🚫

@mrherewriting

A goon is a goon.

If you put a space between the "o"s, it is a go on. Lots of Forum posts go on. And on and on.

Replies:   StarFleetCarl
StarFleetCarl 🚫

@richardshagrin

And on and on.

Just don't stop believing, right?

awnlee jawking 🚫

@mrherewriting

A goon is a goon.

Goons aren't what they used to be. Once upon a time they were foolish or eccentric people, figures of ridicule (as in The Goon Show). The conversion to mean thugs and bullies is more recent and probably an American introduction.

AJ

Replies:   mrherewriting
mrherewriting 🚫
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@awnlee jawking

And if you turn goon into a gerund, it means to masturbate for a long time, until you ascend to some kind of supernatural plane of euphoria...according to the Urban Dictionary.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@mrherewriting

And if you turn goon into a gerund, it means to masturbate for a long time, until you ascend to some kind of supernatural plane of euphoria

That explains why Arsenal fans are commonly known as 'Gooners' ;-)

AJ

Dominions Son 🚫
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@blackjack2145309

My question is how do you differentiate between multiple goons in your writing?

My $0.02 (US):

There is no reason to do so. A goon, in my opinion, is by definition, a fully interchangeable cannon fodder/bullet meat. A goon's function is to show up once and only once where they fight, and mostly loose to, the MC.

Once you have a bad-guy that will make more than one appearance such that he needs distinct characteristics, you have upgraded from goon to minion.

Think of it like the army. Goons are privates or low ranking NCOs. There are a lot of them and for your purposes they are generally interchangeable.

A minion is a high ranking NCO or low ranking officer. There are a lot fewer of them and they have much better chances of standing out.

Then you get to the lieutenants: Equivalent to high ranking army officers. They report/answer directly to the head villain, or to one of the lieutenants that report directly to the head villain.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@blackjack2145309

Sometimes I identify them by their direction ("The one coming at me from the right"). Or sometimes their size. Or sometimes what they're wearing (like "the man in the gray jacket) or the color of their hair. Sometimes it doesn't matter who the next one is (so you can write something like, "With the man squirming on the floor, clutching his balls, I turned to his friend and…" Which friend (assuming there are more than one)? If it doesn't matter, you can finish him off without identifying him and then maybe identify the last remaining friend).

akarge 🚫

@blackjack2145309

5000 zombie rats to kill. Make certain that you give each one a unique description.
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mrherewriting 🚫

@akarge

5000 zombie rats to kill. Make certain that you give each one a unique description.
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And...tangent backstories.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@akarge

5000 zombie rats to kill. Make certain that you give each one a unique description.

A zombie pied piper ;-)

AJ

blackjack2145309 🚫

@blackjack2145309

My answer to the 5000 zombie rats, a large flamethrower to the tune of prodigy's "breathe"

:P

Replies:   Pixy
Pixy 🚫

@blackjack2145309

If 5000 rats were to breathe out in a co-ordinated manner, would they not cause a wall of exhaled air strong enough to buffer, if not repulse, the flame....?

Replies:   blackjack2145309  joyR
blackjack2145309 🚫

@Pixy

No it wouldn't as far as i know. Flamethrowers use a combination of fuel, air and combustion to project flames at distance.

It's inevitable that some rats would get splashed with a few drops of fuel before combusting.

Replies:   mrherewriting
mrherewriting 🚫

@blackjack2145309

If you want to keep your rat's unique, then this hombre should be at the forefront when the flamethrower comes out.

joyR 🚫

@Pixy

If 5000 rats were to breathe out in a co-ordinated manner, would they not cause a wall of exhaled air strong enough to buffer, if not repulse, the flame....?

So keep firing the flame, because next they'll all breathe in...

:)

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@joyR

So keep firing the flame, because next they'll all breathe in...

Unless they're Rattus clintonus, which don't inhale ;-)

AJ

awnlee jawking 🚫

@blackjack2145309

You might like to read the latest chapter in Shinerdrinker's 'Mayhem' story. It badly needs an editor, but the chapter ends with the protagonist 'dancing' in melee mode through a bunch of about 50 goons, which IMO works pretty well.

AJ

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