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Extraterrestrial Refugees - where would they choose / be welcomed to settle?

tenyari 🚫
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(Hopefully this topic won't get 'political'. If it does, then please close it. But hopefully we can just list some places.)

This is for my current inwork story series. Hoping to publish in August. To pick where to place my Aliens.

So you've just arrived in orbit around Earth and you've got 1 million refugees from the destroyed Home Planet with you. There's no going back.

Where do you settle?

The question I have is, help me pick ten countries a pack of Alien refugees will choose to settle in.

These are their criteria:

This is NOT a "these need to be 105% perfect" list. Rather it's about "who does decently better than their neighbors on these things?"

1. Good human rights record.
2. Welcoming of refugees who come from very different ethnic groups
3. Open to diverse sexualities.
4. Either secular and accepting of religious diversity or religious and accepting of secularism.
5. Not militarily adventurous.


Basically they want to settle somewhere friendly where they'll be welcome and not stuck fighting or being attacked.

The Aliens:

Somehow sexually compatible with humans (this is for an erotica story after all, so these are "Star Trek Aliens" and not scientifically logical aliens).

For 'erotic comedy' reasons the aliens are basically like horny naked humans in funny colors.

For story reasons I've already selected two "middle class" highly diverse countries of Canada and Mexico. They originally land in Mexico simply because they see one of the planet's largest cities has a lot of open area around it in case they have to settle away from the locals. The large city choice means their landing will be public (and sets up the initial comedic moment).

Looking for more places, and figure if I can get it to ten more I'll have a good list for 'background filler' and 'future stories'.

So far when I google a lot of places I thought would be great, I come back with problems on that list.

Dominions Son 🚫

@tenyari

The question I have is, help me pick ten countries a pack of Alien refugees will choose to settle in.

These are their criteria:

1. Good human rights record.
2. Welcoming of refugees who come from very different ethnic groups
3. Open to diverse sexualities.
4. Either secular and accepting of religious diversity or religious and accepting of secularism.
5. Not militarily adventurous.

Basically they want to settle somewhere friendly where they'll be welcome and not stuck fighting or being attacked.

Personally, I think you have a bad set of criteria that would yield an empty set in the real world.

Also, you are not going to find a country that will welcome ETs with open arms.

If it were me making the choice, I would pick somewhere remote, unpopulated, and hard for the natives to reach (like the middle of Antarctica).

You are writing fiction. Pick whatever country you want and make them behave the way you want.

Replies:   tenyari
tenyari 🚫

@Dominions Son

Personally, I think you have a bad set of criteria that would yield an empty set in the real world.

It's a difficult list yes. But I'm not looking at an Alien Invasion or Colonization story.

I'm working on a "My Neighbor is a Horny Naked Alien Girl" story. ;)

I need to find places they'd not get put in camps, dissected, or rejected if they came down and shared what they had to offer with the locals.

The list of requirements does cross out a LOT of the world. But here and there around the world there are places that are not terrible. :)

I have enough story reasons for why pretty much every country wants them. Tech, Prestige, Skilled workforce, etc.

"We come bringing you fusion engines, nanotechnology to live 200+ years and solve all disease, the ability to grow unlimited food, climate cleanup, and 1-million horny 20-year olds with advanced professional skills. All we ask is if you have some young guys and gals willing to have them as roommates and be nice to them."

I'm planning to hand wave away a lot of things, but want some thought to where I toss them.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@tenyari

I need to find places they'd not get put in camps, dissected, or rejected if they came down and shared what they had to offer with the locals.

And in the real world, no such places exist. As I said, it's an empty set.

If you want places like that in your story, you will have to make some up.

happytechguy15 🚫

@tenyari

I agree, you may just have to say "fiction", or "in a world shaped like earth". I dont have much imagination, so I would like to read how you set it up! I mean, how many of earth's nations would freak out and launch attacks on the spaceship while in space or atmosphere? I look forward to your completed story! Have fun!

JoeBobMack 🚫

@tenyari

Aliens with capacity for space travel? Any of the WEIRD countries would work. Maybe they could put a landing at Burning Man?

Dominions Son 🚫

@JoeBobMack

Any of the WEIRD countries would work. Maybe they could put a landing at Burning Man?

If remotely humanoid aliens landed at Burning Man how would anyone notice?

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Dominions Son

If remotely humanoid aliens landed at Burning Man how would anyone notice?

I think they already did, which is where Burning Man came from in the first place.

Dominions Son 🚫

@JoeBobMack

Any of the WEIRD countries would work.

Which countries do you consider weird? (assuming the answer isn't all of them. :) )

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JoeBobMack 🚫

@Dominions Son

Which countries do you consider weird? (assuming the answer isn't all of them. :) )

I'm using WEIRD in the way it's used in psychology or anthropology -- Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, & Democratic. Paladin's list of countries strikes me as a pretty good first pass.

StarFleet Carl 🚫

@tenyari

1. Good human rights record.
2. Welcoming of refugees who come from very different ethnic groups
3. Open to diverse sexualities.
4. Either secular and accepting of religious diversity or religious and accepting of secularism.
5. Not militarily adventurous.

That actually puts Mexico OUT of the picture, due to the drug cartels plus the heavy Catholicism of the country. Also, don't forget that Mexico simply shuttles all those Central and South Americans THROUGH the country that are coming to the US, and doesn't allow them to stay. They're not welcoming of refugees in the least.

If you haven't seen it, I recommend you watch 'District 9' to see how NOT to do things.

I realize you're trying to do things for comedy. Having aliens suddenly arrive in orbit here is going to cause massive conflicts, because whatever technology they have is going to be better than what we have. And whoever controls the high orbitals, controls the planet. (Kinetic energy weapons for the kill!) It's going to be tough to get this into a comedy when every alphabet soup or otherwise organization on the planet is trying to find out more, so good luck with that.

Of course, if you REALLY want to fuck with people, have them land in Israel. :)

Replies:   tenyari  awnlee jawking
tenyari 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

If you haven't seen it, I recommend you watch 'District 9' to see how NOT to do things.

Those kinds of stories were pretty much the original inspiration for me. Starting with "All these Alien Refugee stories are so bleak, just ways to retell racism with a fictional race. Lets think of the exact opposite, then do it as comedic erotica."

I did choose Mexico for a number of reasons as the place my main character is at. As a Latin American my perception of Mexico is a very different one from how America often portrays it.

But just to get my readers past the 'Gringo fear' of the drug conflict there, my first 'hand wave' was to set the story 'a few years from now, after the country has come out of a conflict' while purposefully NOT addressing the nature or outcome of that conflict.

Replies:   sunseeker
sunseeker 🚫

@tenyari

after spending the last 20+ years in South America and living here permanently for the last 11+ I can tell you that your "gringo fear" comment regarding Mexico is not limited to gringos...

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@sunseeker

Absent the handwavium of faster than light travel, the aliens would be distant descendants of those who first set off. Think how much they might have lost on the way. They might have no-one left who understands the technology of the ship they're inhabiting. Inbreeding might have left them as functional idiots, like the British (Germanic) Royal Family.

AJ

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sunseeker 🚫

@awnlee jawking

huh?

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@sunseeker

Bimbos and Himbos!

AJ

awnlee jawking 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

Of course, if you REALLY want to fuck with people, have them land in Israel.

IIRC, a Jewish homeland was once considered within the USA. But they went with nicking a bit of the Middle East and the rest is history.

AJ

richardshagrin 🚫

@tenyari

The right place to put them is probably California. Or almost any place on the left coast. Almost certainly the University of Washington would be happy to enroll
"1-million horny 20-year olds". Just sign them up for student loans.

Remus2 🚫

@tenyari

There is no country without human rights issues on the planet.
Of course, human rights are not well defined.
This is probably more a case of where could you land a million people with sufficient room and remoteness to go unnoticed. Somewhere the major powers do not have satellites watching.
South east Poland in the carpathian mountains comes to mind, or the Patagonia regions of Chile and Argentina.

Replies:   tenyari
tenyari 🚫

@Remus2

There is no country without human rights issues on the planet.

There's a difference between perfect and horribly flawed / abusive. ;)

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫

@tenyari

There's a difference between perfect and horribly flawed / abusive. ;)

Therein is the problem. It's subjective.

joyR 🚫

@tenyari

So you've just arrived in orbit around Earth and you've got 1 million refugees from the destroyed Home Planet with you. There's no going back.

Where do you settle?

You take a good look at earth and then head elsewhere.

Your base criteria rules out every country on earth. The few that might fit couldn't sustain the numbers involved.

As has been mentioned, there would be a massive effort by various countries to detain, examine, interrogate and 'acquire' all alien knowledge and technology. Of course if they can't control it then they would want to destroy it.

Mankind has not yet evolved far enough for any aliens to bother with us.

Presuming of course that humanoid aliens exist and are capable of sustained space travel. Not to mention that a craft capable of transporting a million life forms for the time required would basically be a self sustaining entity.

Dominions Son 🚫

@joyR

Mankind has not yet evolved far enough for any aliens to bother with us.

Except maybe to wipe us out because they want our planet for some reason.

Replies:   tenyari
tenyari 🚫
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@Dominions Son

Except maybe to wipe us out because they want our planet for some reason.

If you watch Isaac Author's youtube channel on space and space exploration - they often note that any civilization with the capability for interstellar travel would have no need to invade anyone. There is nothing they could ever need.

If they were just plain evil for some reason that escapes logic - then any such civilization could simply remove the locals of any planet they desire to take, before even getting within orbit of that planet. They could remove the very planet itself as well if so desired.

The only "Alien Invasion" story that makes scientific sense is simply that one day we cease to exist and none of us ever has any advance awareness as to why.

One of the major flaws in even this however, is that any civilization that does this will be noticed by every other such advanced civilization in the galaxy, and be targeted for removal as an extreme threat - so no civilization with any concept of self preservation would ever do it to begin with.

"Invasion" is not on the list of choices for the story I'm working on, or I wouldn't have bothered with this topic. ;)

awnlee jawking 🚫

@joyR

You take a good look at earth and then head elsewhere.

They could take a look at Mars and the more hospitable of Jupiter's moons.

AJ

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AmigaClone 🚫

@awnlee jawking

@joyR
7/21/2022, 7:01:11 PM

You take a good look at earth and then head elsewhere.

awnlee jawking
7/22/2022, 6:55:33 AM

They could take a look at Mars and the more hospitable of Jupiter's moons.

AJ

I could see the bulk of the aliens colonizing Mars, or one of the more hospitable of Jupiter's moons.

A small number might form a small 'trading post' on Earth.

I can also see a small number mining the asteroid belt

Dicrostonyx 🚫

@tenyari

A lot would depend on how they weight each factor and to what degree they want to integrate. Also, depending on their information gathering technology and understanding of our languages, it's entirely possible that some countries might lie if they see having the aliens as an advantage (eg, technology sharing).

The Nordic countries would fit well with most of your list, the sticking point being immigration policy. Although generally these countries welcome refugees from different cultures, they can only do so in small numbers since the local population is so small. So it would depend whether we're talking 10k aliens or 5 million.

Countries with a lot of uninhabited space like Canada, Australia, Russia, and China (in the West) might work to some degree depending on the aliens' preferred climates and ability to deal with harsh terrain. Yes, there are sticking points with your list, but if the aliens' territory were treated as a semi-autonomous region with individuals have the right to travel it might still work.

Similar to the above, there are an awful lot of uninhabited islands in the world. Hawaii has 137 islands, only 7 of which are inhabited. The Philippines consist of well over 7,000 islands (sources report different numbers) with only about 2,000 inhabited and only 500 over 1 square km. So again, depending on the aliens' technology and desire to integrate, any number of countries could offer them a small archipelago to take over.

richardshagrin 🚫

@tenyari

Additional thoughts because of the island suggestion. Only about 30% of the Earth's surface is land. If the aliens can live in or under water, perhaps their ships can float or get fixed under water, they don't have to find a country to settle in. Even a million aliens could find areas where they could live where no country will be concerned about their locations.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@richardshagrin

Even a million aliens could find areas where they could live where no country will be concerned about their locations.

We can't even host a million cetaceans peaceably.

AJ

tenyari 🚫
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@tenyari

I'm very surprised at how pessimistic the replies have been.

There's first, a very wide margin between Shiny Happy Hippy Utopia with dancing purple dinosaurs, and dystopian nightmare of organ harvesting and dissection camps.

And a whole spectrum of options in between.
Likewise there's a wide variety of everything in the scale of rights and ethical concerns.

I put up a list, and I think people are reading it as "these need to be 105% perfect" rather than "who does decently better than their neighbors on these things?"

Unfortunately the forum here might be more of a collection of 'war story' / 'apocalypse' writers than erotica or light hearted writers, so maybe that's why it's coming back with such grimly themed answers.

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Presently my "list of places" I'm working for my story series involves;

Mexico, Columbia, Costa Rica, Botswana, Italy, Spain, Greece, possibly Peru and Argentina.

Need to think about Greece and Italy a little more as their current refugee stances would make them seem less inclined to welcome a pack of E.T.s.

And for one story reason Canada, despite another story reason (half the Aliens can't wear clothes - CMNF - so the ones going to Canada need some assistive technology).

I had been considering Rwanda but there's some issues on the LGBTQ angle there, and I may put Panama in the list.

joyR 🚫

@tenyari

I'm very surprised at how pessimistic the replies have been.

I think you are confusing pessimistic with realistic.

Replies:   Paladin_HGWT
Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@joyR

I think you are confusing pessimistic with realistic.

While there was some tension with a million people from Hong Kong emigrating to Canada in some five years. In particular the mass building of "McMansions" to within one meter of the property line in what had been predominantly middle class neighborhoods. Increasing the population of the nation by some 5%.

The addition of a lot of wealthy people, many college educated, and a significant number who are entrepreneurs, was generally beneficial.

No such influx will be without turmoil. However, there are significant benefits too.

Of the nations I listed, all have plenty of unsettled land where a million aliens could settle.

Nearly all Western nations (to include Japan and South Korea) are experiencing a population decline (as would the USA without immigration). So, a million well educated aliens, who have the wealth to not end up on the "dole" and would certainly stimulate the local and national economies would be welcome by the Governments and at least a plurality of the population in the nations I listed.

Consider that Poland, the USA, Canada and several other nations have welcomed some Four Million Ukrainian refugees (who bring far less than the fictional aliens).

Most of the concerns in the USA are about the people crossing into the USA illegally (or remaining illegally). For the most part people in the USA welcome Legal Immigration. (Being compelled to train a foreign replacement for Your Job results in more anger at the Corporations than the immigrants!)

Of the 11 nations (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Chile, UK, Poland, Sweden already accepted significant numbers of refugees. Spain is not a location that many refugees flock to; but has more open land than most European nations. I think Spain would court these aliens.)

Another possibility, similar to the Ukrainian refugees, is to split the aliens into settlements in a dozen or more nations; as well as their technology bonus.

Most of the nations I mentioned are multicultural. Spain has become very welcoming to foreign tourists, and even residents over the last 30 years.

[China, Japan, and Russia are particularly racist, even xenophobic (despite China and Russia having many cultures within their borders). By the way, ask a Turk who has lived in Germany for several decades how they are treated by most Germans. Or, an Algerian in France.]

Remus2 🚫

@tenyari

1. Good human rights record.
2. Welcoming of refugees who come from very different ethnic groups
3. Open to diverse sexualities.
4. Either secular and accepting of religious diversity or religious and accepting of secularism.
5. Not militarily adventurous.

Presently my "list of places" I'm working for my story series involves;

Mexico, Columbia, Costa Rica, Botswana, Italy, Spain, Greece, possibly Peru and Argentina

Mexico and Columbia do not meet your criteria. Nor does Botswana.
Mexico and Columbia I can speak from direct experience on. Especially Mexico. If the migrants didn't get shot coming across the South Mexican border, then they had better stay on the migration route if they don't want to die.
Neither Mexico or Columbia take kindly to refugees trying to settle in them. Look up the stories of Venezuelan refugees in Columbia.
The same goes for Mexico. Migrants are barely tolerated if they are passing through, and that tolerance only holds if the eyes of the world are on them.

Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@tenyari

Presently my "list of places" I'm working for my story series involves;

Mexico, Columbia, Costa Rica, Botswana, Italy, Spain, Greece, possibly Peru and Argentina.

Need to think about Greece and Italy a little more as their current refugee stances would make them seem less inclined to welcome a pack of E.T.s.

Of the nations you listed, only Spain would meet most of your criteria. Costa Rica would probably welcome, eagerly, 10,000 or so refugees, but 1,000,000 would be too much. (After all Costa Rica welcomes people from the USA as permanent residents, under certain conditions.)

Italy is having issues with the Chinese "residents" (employees of factories in Italy purchased by the Chinese government). Communist China would have significant "Influence" on any alien settlement in Italy.

Botswana? I am hard pressed to think of any nation on the continent of Africa that meets any of your criteria... Tribal conflicts abound within nations and between nations. Islamic radicals are conducting warfare throughout the spectrum in many places in Africa.

Mere decades after the European colonizers were thrown out, Chinese Communists have been making themselves even more unpleasant for three decades. Mines, factories, farms, ports and railways. Governments welcomed the Communist Chinese "investments" but when those governments couldn't pay what was due, the Chinese government seized them. Locals are very angry, but the Chinese don't care, and the Western nations are oblivious (or wrapped up in their own guilt).

Perhaps, Madagascar?

Peru is unstable and has human rights violations. Columbia was doing okay in the 21st century but the effects of the government reactions to Covid-19, and the chaos in Venezuela have destabilized Columbia! Argentina is a mess too, and has been for decades.

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tenyari 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

Botswana came back for me as having a "decent" HRI score, and they recently passed one of the only laws in Africa protecting LGBTW rights (and I think same sex marriage).

- This is important in my story because my "Aliens" with their own biology would be a "challenge" to places without such protections.

Peru is halfway on my list because I'm Indigenous Peruvian. ;)
- The country has historically treated us extremely poorly, but in the last decade our culture and language have become national treasures. Our language went from being near banned to being mandatory for ALL Peruvians to learn. In my last trip there, while folks still keep the Rainbow Flag of the Inca rebellion (centuries older than the LGBTQ Rainbow flag) flying in the highlands, and still call themselves Inca and not Peruvian - the hostility was gone.

For story reasons the Chinese, Americans, and Russians are all "left off the table" when the Aliens pick where they go. Anyone with major ambitions of imperialism gets a hard pass by the Alien's AI.

I'll note some other things in a bit. But essentially after a First Contact using a team of 5 on the Alien side, they come down in waves after negotiating places to go to. The total after a few years adding up to 1 million around the globe.

With the Aliens looking for places where they can slowly merge into the local society.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@tenyari

Likewise there's a wide variety of everything in the scale of rights and ethical concerns.

In some countries, a population of only a million would make them a minority, in which case they'd automatically get more rights than cis-humans.

AJ

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tenyari 🚫

@awnlee jawking

This was something I failed to be clear on initially.

Rather than 1 million going to one place, it's a total of about 1 million that I'd be looking at spreading around a bunch of different places.

Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@tenyari

Ten likely nations where 1,000,000 aliens could settle. (I presume an exchange of information, limited technology, and valuable/exotic metals from asteroids: gold, platinum, etc. in exchange for settling.)

1): USA (more legal and illegal immigrants each year than any other nation.)
2): Canada (1,000,000 Hong Kong Chinese emigrated in the 1990's, and many others from India, Africa, Russia, Ukraine, etc.)
3): Australia
4): New Zealand
5): Poland
6): Brazil
7): Sweden (has had issues with a fraction of Muslim immigrants, however, I believe they would welcome these aliens.)
8): Chile
9): United Kingdom (despite "Brexit" and concerns about immigrants from Eastern Europe and the Middle East; these aliens would be welcome, or at least tolerated for what they could bring.)
10): Spain
11): Portugal/Azores

Replies:   helmut_meukel  LupusDei
helmut_meukel 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

7): Sweden (has had issues with a fraction of Muslim immigrants, however, I believe they would welcome these aliens.)

The total resident population of Sweden was 10,377,781 in October 2020.
1 million refugees will cause severe problems, the majority of Swedes will not accept so many!
Another problem is climate and sunlight.
Abundant place is in the northern parts, but winter is harsh there and dark.
I know from Norway of their problems to attract medical professionals to their northern cities and towns. Despite very high pay most leave after their first winter there.

HM.

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Paladin_HGWT 🚫

@helmut_meukel

You stated some very solid facts.

However, Sweden is facing population decline (thus the welcoming of immigrants since the 1990's). Also, Russia on their border. Due to the high technology of the Aliens, they could settle on very small (comparatively) land space.

Also, due to the elements of sex and nudity in the stories, I am thinking of the Nude Beaches from North of Stockholm, and further south. Popular since the 1850's with the German and Russian royal families (and other nobles too). As well as artists, the Avent Guard, and even the upper middle class. Such as the German KKB.

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joyR 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

Also, due to the elements of sex and nudity in the stories, I am thinking of the Nude Beaches from North of Stockholm, and further south.

Earlier you mentioned that the One Million female aliens spend all their time naked. In which case they won't enjoy living year round in Stockholm where the average minimum temperature only reaches double figures (centigrade) a third of the year.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@joyR

Earlier you mentioned that the One Million female aliens spend all their time naked. In which case they won't enjoy living year round in Stockholm where the average minimum temperature only reaches double figures (centigrade) a third of the year.

I know the author can fix it with some handwavium, but coming from a different planet or planets, the aliens might have different core body temperatures from humans.

AJ

helmut_meukel 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

Also, Russia on their border.

Border? Sweden has no direct border with Russia.
There are two parts of Russia with coasts at the Baltic sea. One is the area around St. Petersburg at the eastern end of the Gulf of Finland, the other is the Kaliningrad Oblast (a semi-exclave situated on the Baltic Sea). It is impossible to travel overland between the oblast and the contiguous part of Russia proper without passing through at least two other countries.

Even down at the southernmost part of Sweden – SkΓ₯ne County (sometimes referred to as Scania County in English) around MalmΓΆ, Trelleborg and Ystad you can stay outdoors naked during daytime only from May to September.
SkΓ₯ne County covers around 3% of Sweden's total area, while its population of 1.3 million comprises 13% of Sweden's total population. 1 million more people are certainly not welcomed there by the populace.

HM.

LupusDei 🚫

@Paladin_HGWT

Poland is strongly catholic and thus relatively hostile to public nudity in comparison to any of their neighbors. I mean, it's still rather permissive, but anyone else in the region would mean less.

There's also may be way more real xenophobia than in Northern or even much of rest eastern Europe.

LupusDei 🚫

@tenyari

Northern Europe is the only region I can imagine being reasonably close to your requirements.

I believe even Canada is xenophobic conservative prudes by comparison. Issues you may have heard of are mostly overblown out of context media sensationalism exactly for how rare such incidents are. Expect, probably, Swedish street gangs.

I don't have a link to prove it, but allegedly Latvia count on the top of safest countries in regard to violent crime, and still must be way worse than Estonia I would believe. In either it's considered normal and safe for first graders to navigate public transportation without supervision.

Sure, Latvia has just under two million residents (and declining rapidly) and almost half of those are descendants of illegal aliens, Soviet civil occupiers currently in rather successful process of assimilation. Yes, allegedly Russians are our niggers we oppress, at least by the somewhere 100k that remain a problem to the point of refusing to take citizenship, but you couldn't tell. It's virtually impossible to get work in Riga without knowing Russian (or English, for that matter) and there still small shops that wouldn't service you for speaking Latvian.

Also Latvia is, one of is not the very most sparsely inhabited country in EU, and about a million additional residents is what the land could accommodate without any stress, technically. The land is underutilized and the country understaffed and poor. There's tacit understanding at some point in near future we will get overrun by a new immigration wave as the global south gets increasingly unlivable, and the local mentality would gladly prefer aliens from outer space to almost anyone else already on the planet. Although there was Ukrainian girls at almost every midsummer night's bonfire this year, and we were left pleasantly surprised how much of our kinfolk they actually are despite often having brown eyes.

As to attitude to public nudity, it is extremely complicated, for the part where I would go to explain how, when are where it is totally permissible. As by tradition, functional nudity is almost expected and sexual nudity is generally prohibited, but neither are strict and clear cut even if there's been a definitive demarcation between those, leaving each case for the nonverbal hivemind of present womenfolk to judge and decide. Those decisions must be honored if you don't want to die in celibacy.

Any wild beach (of with we have plenty with 300 miles of Baltic Sea coast, thousands of small lakes and another order of magnitude more little rivers, and land where any sufficiently large pit will fill with groundwater making a pond. Most of that water is pretty safe to drink untreated at that, even if not always tasty), any beach at all by default start as clothing optional but mostly will gravitate toward textile if overcrowded, I mean, if there's more than one close knit group on it for every quarter a mile or so.

Yes, we have meters wide personal spaces will stare strangers in the eye for no reason and rarely express any emotion at all, but pretty girls can get away with a flashing show on a public buss with almost everyone pretending they never noticed a thing.

As to religion, we are the designated keepers of the "pagan" fire of ancient order. Being a Latvian is far more a religious cult thing on itself than anything else (even blue eyes aren't actually required), but anyone is permitted to take whatever set of secondary bullshit beliefs they may come up with, temporally or permanently, as long it not interferes with the primary loyalty to the ethnos and of course, nothing does cancel the duty to learn truth about the world as far as humanly possible, although one brings only they own peril by refusing to do so.

In terms of putting up with bullshit were very likely among the best out there, out of centuries of training. We may not always be nice, but very rarely overtly violent, and when go there, it would rather forced hike in the marshes than a drive by shooting, so nobody will ever know or confirm a thing.

whisperclaw 🚫
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@tenyari

If you think of it in terms of what the aliens are bringing to the table, I think you might find that countries are fighting over who gets to host them, not who has to host them. Think for a moment how the USA would react if China or Russia offered to host the aliens in exchange for all that tech the OP listed. Our own tech industry would go NUTS to lose out on that technology, not to mention the strategic disadvantage it would put the country as a whole. Either the UN (snicker) would have to negotiate some sort of worldwide tech clearinghouse to keep everyone on even footing, or countries would be offering outrageous incentives for a subset of those millions to relocate in exchange for brining the tech with them.

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tenyari 🚫

@whisperclaw

True.

Part of my First Contact story involves the Aliens making their own stance on this very clear.

They refuse any 'Imperialistic' nation, banning their people from even visiting places like the USA, Russia, or China.

My 5th story, if I get that far, will be the first descendant of an Alien, a century later, to ever enter the USA. While my main thrust is 'modern day with very little Sci Fi other than glossing over the Aliens', that story will be in a SciFi setting as it's a century after.

Catman 🚫

@tenyari

Put them in the desert southwest and they could solve the water problem.

tenyari 🚫
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@tenyari

I've got a lot of 'notes for the setting' as I'm writing a set of 5+ stories so far. Notes for things that go way beyond what the stories will ever cover as the stories I'm writing are meant to be non-serious erotic light comedy.

But in the notes...

Heavily inwork, These ideas get remade with each part of the story I get through... This is the 'under the hood' stuff that would likely drive away the kinds of readers I want, if I wrote this out in story form in the middle of a 'My New neighbor is a Naked Green Alien Girl' voyuer / exhib story... :P

Somewhere way across the galaxy a few million years ago there was a civilization much like ours, only a bit further along. Like us they ignored climate and environment in favor of wealth and power. Like us greed blocked political solutions.

Their planet died, slowly. In that time, they moved into their solar system and stopped caring - the profit was too good, the elites had power, there were enough boots on the necks of the masses, so why did a homeworld matter?

A few centuries later, greed and power got in the way again. A Warp Drive is something even modern day real world physicists know how to make. The problem is that to warp a spec of dust from 'here' to 'there' requires the mass/energy of the entire known plus unknown universe. There's no way around this. Space... will just be slower than FTL unless you find a way to devour multiple universes with each jump.

Or... you can ignore all that because you're a tech billionaire who thinks they know everything and has the wealth and power to try and strap an engine onto the sun and make a go...

Goodbye sun. One failed grab for power later, and the sun is on a one way path to a super nova. It's time to get the F out. Physicists will tell you that if you drop the right amount of Iron into the right depth of a star, you can collapse it's fusion capability - and it will start to nova.

All the wealthy elites and powerful people take all the good resources and pre-made tech and ships and flee. Leaving 90% of the population behind. None of those elites will make it - they forget that when a star Novas, it does so at light speed, and wipes out everything within a few to a thousand light years as the explosion's impact spreads.

But physicists will tell you that rather than trying to outrun a Nova (which takes a LOT of advance warning given any ship going faster than 10% of Light Speed is likely impossible)... you can try and angle yourself "just right" and ride the shockwave out - letting the very thing that kills everyone who tried to escape, be your escape. It's probably mostly a doomed effort, but if you split it up - maybe one of you will make it.

My Alien's are that one. They weren't the only one, but they weren't many others.

Massive Arkships were built in the century the "Left Behind" had. They dismantled all the planets, all the asteroids, and everything that the elites had left them with - building crude 'mini-planets' as a solution to dealing with the fact that a spec of dust hitting you when you're going 10% of Light is enough to make a 'Dinosaur Ending' impact crater...

In the middle of those ships, a vast library of their knowledge, digital DNA records of everything they could get, manufacturing ability for clothes, tech, etc. and billions of embryos made by having the AI pick them for 2 criteria: half for the most genetic diversity, and half for their idea of eugenics: the best, brightest, most physically capable.

There is no such thing as a truly sentient machine. So the AI is just the best computer program they could make. With a set of instructions for what to do when it finally hits 'the target'. Each Ark ship was aimed to reach what those people believed was a system with a likely habitable world. 90% of those likely ended up in dead empty systems or the vacuum of space with no way to do anything but keep drifting until the heat death of the universe.

But our Aliens got lucky. Bizarrely so. Finding not only a habitable system. But one which in the millions of years they drifted through space... had evolved it's own native sentient species that was so close to identical it will be enough to turn many of my Aliens religious.

DNA is a thing that can rotate clockwise or counterclockwise. All DNA on Earth rotates the same way. There's a 50-50 chance anything like DNA on another world, even if made from identical molecules, could end up going the other way. The result would be a planet where you couldn't even digest single-cell organisms. By chance, my Alien's DNA goes the same way. But the molecules are different enough to cause some story problems.

Each 'Ark Ship' was put together by different groups of the Left Behind. Some of them have AIs designed to invade, some to only go for a barren world, some to go for a star with enough rocks to build their own world, and some to try and make peace and integrate in.

My Aliens are in that last group. They're on the "Hippie Ship"... :)

Our Alien's AI spent a couple million years in a hologram running around barefoot singing 'Kumbaya brothers, we're sailing off to Eden' to itself... Like those space Hippies in that one episode of Original Star Trek.

(I've got a footnote in my setting document for a possible far future story where one of the Invasion Ark ships arrives - but right now I'm into writing happy stories so that's not being explored.)

Our Ark Ship is actually un-armed. Even further, the vast library of data has no information on any weapons or military tech beyond the iron age. But the local Humans don't know this, and won't find out for about a decade. Within a century or two it will be a moot point, the 'Humans' and 'New Humans' together will have re-engineered all the missing bits of technology - but by then they'll be integrated together and have a full on archive of the history of why some tech is a bad idea - like keep your 'Space Steve Jobs' from being able to try and use the Sun to sell tickets to join him on his own personal joy ride...

When she gets close enough to our solar system, she 'hatches' a million embryos and raises the children in a VR to "Earth age 20", then pretends to destroy her sensors so she can make her 'children' think they're going into a planet blind - all part of the 'method' she was told to use for Contact.

Part of my first 2 stories is my protagonist questioning the strange choices that the AI was programmed to follow... So some of those choices are purposefully illogical to give me some 'WTF' moments. ;)

(Alternatively; she's actually truthful about not knowing what's on Earth, but this is actually harder to explain - yet it IS the explanation that's in the stories, for now.)

What it does have is a whole arsenal of flashy special effects and spooky tricks to 'scare anyone who seems like a threat'. And what it also has is instructions to hand over tech to anyone friendly, but in stages to limit social disruption, and to ensure any handoff is 'public' - so when they land in Mexico, and start giving out non-tech, they broadcast how to do it globally so no one has an advantage. They do the same thing with their biological data.

My AI is essentially packed with a bag of tricks to facilitate peaceful contact. She also has the ability to be aware of the exact location and condition of any one of them at any time. She drops her people down in progressively bigger waves.

First Contact is 5 Aliens, 20-year olds by 'Earth Human' standards (30 of their own world's years) chosen for their 'likeability' rather than expertise - one of these 5 is my principle protagonist. A month later, 10,000 people chosen to be "your friendly neighborhood Alien". A few years later they go out globally once relationships are stable... and in my Sci-Fi stories the AI reveals that she had further gifts for the new civilization that has emerged 2 centuries later. A sort of "Now that you're ready, here's how you do those Dyson Spheres and so on" that I will figure out the nature of, if and when my stories explore that part of my setting.

My AI plays a role as a sometimes helpful, sometimes in the way 'tangent character' in my stories. She has specific plans for how to help her people survive, but they favor the collective group more often than the individual - which I use as a point of tension at times.

My AI's choice of places to send her people are all based on 'will they be able to get along, grow families, mix in with the locals, and be able to not get dragged into 'native political conflicts'.

(A main reason to avoid places like the US, Russia, and China is so that none of here people will be set against each other for at least the near future.)

Justin Case 🚫

@tenyari

Kalifornia, Oregon, Washinton, or maybe city of Chicago where they already have a leader in place ???

They'd almost fit right in and go unnoticed in these places.

akarge 🚫
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@tenyari

I am amazed. Hundreds of posts and NO ONE mentions the 'Alien Nation' movie and TV series.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@akarge

I am amazed. Someone who shouldn't be named hasn't yet pointed out that many might think the aliens would be welcome to Settle (Yorkshire, England, British Empire).

AJ

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akarge 🚫
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@awnlee jawking

Maybe 'He Who Shall Not Be Named' is just geographically challenged.

irvmull 🚫

@tenyari

Isn't it pretty well established that any aliens with the knowledge to get here would be smart enough not to come?

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@irvmull

I suspect human-compatible planets will prove rarer than hens' teeth. The aliens might well feel that living with a shedload of compromises is better than risking continuing onwards. We're even thinking of trying to colonise Mars, even though there's apparently too many game-killing obstacles for it to have a cat in hell's chance of being viable.

AJ

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Remus2 🚫

@awnlee jawking

even though there's apparently too many game-killing obstacles for it to have a cat in hell's chance of being viable.

Mars is considered to be a jumping off point for points further out. There are more viable options further out.

Remus2 🚫

@tenyari

ET dips into the information network when they first arrive, after a brief perusal of social media, they decide to keep moving to the next solar system.

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Marius-6 🚫

@Remus2

ET dips into the information network when they first arrive, after a brief perusal of social media, they decide to keep moving to the next solar system.

If those Interlopers Don't Like Cat Videos, I hope they wander into a Blck Hole the Soulless Cretins!

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 🚫

@Marius-6

They probably judged the cats to have more intelligence.
By the time they got through with the various challenges, especially the tide pod variant, they said fuck it, and moved on.

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