If you do not have a premier account get thee to the authors list and check out Texrep. You have no time to spare before the veil descends on some great work. FYI - The Tex in Texrep stands for textiles, not Texas. Take a look.
If you do not have a premier account get thee to the authors list and check out Texrep. You have no time to spare before the veil descends on some great work. FYI - The Tex in Texrep stands for textiles, not Texas. Take a look.
I also liked Abby. I lost that once because I could not remember the author and the title sure did not help me find it. I searched SOL for *railroad* until I wanted to scream. Finally searched my files for pub and caravan. *Railway*, bah humbug.
your problem was using the new words made up by people in the USA instead of the original English words being used by the majority of other countries and people who use English.
Oh, aren't you the haughty one this morning.
I always believed most original English was a mix of Saxon, Norman French and bits and pieces of Dutch, Swedish and Spanish with Italian and Arabic thrown in for seasoning.
Maybe the real difference is that Brits use ways and Yanks use roads. I've driven those ways and lanes. I'm surprised anyone is alive in the hinterlands after they started driving motor cars and lorries.
Don't be cranky. Have another cupa and smell the roses.
I'm not angry, and I wasn't then, as I was just pointing out that assuming one form of English is the only one in use is not a smart thing to do.
Maybe the real difference is that Brits use ways and Yanks use roads.
We Brits have roadways. Do you Muricans have roadroads?
;-)
AJ
We Brits have roadways. Do you Muricans have roadroads?
No, we just have roads. What the fuck do you need the extra 4 letters for?
'roadway' means the part of the road intended for vehicles.
Brits also have highways. Do Muricans have highroads?
;-)
AJ
'roadway' means the part of the road intended for vehicles.
I'm not sure if the US federal and state governments make that kind of distinction. Outside of an official government context, I don't think I've ever heard anyone in the US make that distinction.
Brits also have highways. Do Muricans have highroads?
No, we have highways, but in the US, this refers to a particular type of road, typically major inter-urban state/federal roads.
AJ, you forget those upstarts don't have the history of having movement development like they do in the UK where the first trails were pathways, then when carts and wagons started needing a wider path a roadway was developed, and later when rail services were establish a railway was created for them. In each case to create the public thoroughfare a 'right of way' was purchased or created by law. In the Americas they jumped straight to roads and had no official pathways for many decades.
In each case to create the public thoroughfare a 'right of way' was purchased or created by law.
That happens in the US as well, but once it's done, outside of very specialized legal contexts, we don't distinguish between the actual space the vehicles use and the larger right of way.
In the Americas they jumped straight to roads and had no official pathways for many decades.
We still don't have any "official" pathways.
we don't distinguish between the actual space the vehicles use and the larger right of way.
We Brits often refer to pavements (sidewalk), grass verges, traffic islands etc.
AJ
There are official "Pathways" in the USA. "Urban Trails" for Pedestrians, (most of which) Exclude bicycles, or any motor vehicle.
(In some jurisdictions, Segway, unicycle, skateboard, and other conveyances, may be excluded by regulations or laws.)
Perhaps it is more of a West Coast thing. Although, I recall such things in Chicago, IL, Tempe, AZ, and San Antonio, TX.
Have you ever seen the roadways - streets - paths etc. in Boston? The layout of some of those roadways date back to the years of British occupation.
As for the nonexistence of pathways for decades, I suggest you are overlooking the trails created by the continent's indigenous people.
We should take the highroad in further discussion of significant or insignificant differences between Brit and US English.
As for the nonexistence of pathways for decades, I suggest you are overlooking the trails created by the continent's indigenous people.
No, I didn't overlook them as I know about them. I didn't mention them as the early Europeans in the Americas did not call them pathways etc. as they simply called them trails. It's the terminology we're talking about, not the existence of the physical aspects.
Europeans in the Americas did not call them pathways etc. as they simply called them trails. It's the terminology we're talking about, not the existence of the physical aspects.
It's not just the terminology. Aside from explicitly developed hiking/nature trails in national and state parks, such things aren't given names by the government to put on maps. Regardless of what you call them, they have no "official" status.
AJ, you forget those upstarts don't have the history of having movement development like they do in the UK where the first trails were pathways, then when carts and wagons started needing a wider path a roadway was developed, and later when rail services were establish a railway was created for them. In each case to create the public thoroughfare a 'right of way' was purchased or created by law. In the Americas they jumped straight to roads and had no official pathways for many decades.
Sorry Ernest but what your stating in not all true. We have many roads that follow rivers, creeks, animal trails, trails that native American Indians created and used hundreds of years before western men started to settle the lands. Yes when and where we could we made a rad from point A to point B as straight as possible but almost all of these roads outside of major cities didn't come about till after the 1920's. There is a reason that we have streets/roads with the name followed by the word TRAIL. Where I live in South Eastern Michigan easily 60% of our roads/streets are either old Indian trails, follow a creek, or river and if you are wondering why indian trails wouldn't be straight that was because back in the earlier 1800's we started draining the swamps for the farm land and yes to make straighter roads where the native indians would just walk around the obstacle.
yes to make straighter roads where the native indians would just walk around the obstacle.
To be fair, many of those trails around the obstacles, where the obstacles were swamps, could not have been made passable to large, heavy wheeled vehicles for significantly less effort than draining the swamps and building straighter roads.
I suggest you go back and read the entire sub-thread. I was not talking about where you construct transport surface, but the development of the terminology used in the USA as against the development of the terminology used in the UK. This was due to the variations of different words for the same transport surface arising from the historical differences in the two countries. however, another poster has chosen to redirect the discussion into other areas.
On the sidewalk vs pavement: In the US, pavement is a much more generic term. It refers to any artificial hard material used to cover ground outdoors, such as concrete or asphalt. It can be a sidewalk, a road, a parking lot or even a patio area in your back yard.
Of course, sidewalk was a British term that was imported to Colonial America. The the Brits discarded it.
A side wok is used to prepare side dishes to a main stir-fry. :)
As Fuzzy Bear would say when walking by, "Woka, woka, woka."
As Fuzzy Bear would say when walking by, "Woka, woka, woka."
A man walks into a bar and says...Ouch
The Anglos and the Celts are goin' get you for suggesting that Saxon girls are pickups! Oh yes, wasn't Gwenifer Saxon?
How did the Romans avoid being drawn into this discussion? They may have tried to pickup a few Saxon girls too. Understand they laid out some of the roads on the island. Well, we didn't have the advantage of a Roman conquest here.
How did the Romans avoid being drawn into this discussion? They may have tried to pickup a few Saxon girls too.
More likely some Briton girls, at the time.
I was following along. but this has too much Saxon violence for me. If you aren't careful it will be banned in libraries.
Maybe the real difference is that Brits use ways and Yanks use roads.
Just to demonstrate how mixed up our language is, various UK utilities have started using signs saying 'walkway closed', allegedly a Muricanism, rather than the British 'pavement closed'. ;-)
AJ
Room for confusion - Were I not familiar with either sign I would question whether 'pavement closed' meant that both the 'sidewalk' and the paved road were closed. I always believed a 'walkway' was the sidewalk or passage between adjoining buildings and usually elevated above the ground floor.
Toujour gai toujour gai
Should we remind everyone that this discussion started because I wanted to let everyone know that Texrep was about to be archived and would shortly slip behind the premier veil?
Should we remind everyone that this discussion started because I wanted to let everyone know that Texrep was about to be archived and would shortly slip behind the premier veil?
yes.
I always believed most original English was a mix of Saxon, Norman French and bits and pieces of Dutch, Swedish and Spanish with Italian and Arabic thrown in for seasoning.
It's Norwegian/Danish, not Swedish and the Saxon is really a mix of Anglian, Saxon and Jutish dialects.
You forgot the romanized Celtic, Cymric, Cornish, Irish, Manx, and Scottish Gaelic.
I used 'Norwegian/Danish' because back then there existed no Norwegian language only dialects and the southern and south-western dialects were closer to Danish than to the northern Norwegian. The modern Norwegian are constructed languages, the older Bokmål(used by 85-90%) is very close to Danish therefore they created Nynorsk(used by 10-15%). While all dialects are by now mutually intelligible, they were not in the past.
HM.
Ernest:
The ones using newer "corrupted" forms are the Brits:
The first steam-powered locomotive was created in the early 1800s by an engineer named Richard Trevithick, but the terminology we most commonly associate with trains was being used long before then. According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), the words "railroad" and "railway" originated in 1681 and 1757, respectively. Both first referred to the rails or tracks miners used to transport coal in wagons. Americans prefer the term "railroad," but you'll hear "railway" much more frequently in Britain
As far as "path" and "pathway" - "path" is the original word.
So the Brits just arbitrarily make words longer (too sound more sophisticated/upper crust?).
English is the language of England. The British include a lot of territory that isn't England. Scotland, Wales, Ireland or at least parts of it, their Empire included India, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand (aka Zeal and Enthusiasm), Dozens of Islands, even Canada where they made French an official language. English comes in a lot of varieties, at least when the British Empire got involved.
their Empire included India, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, Dozens of Islands, even Canada.
Why ignoring all the other British territories in Africa: Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, British Somaliland, Kenia, Uganda, Tanganyika, Bechuanaland, Nyasaland, Northern Rhodesia, Southern Rhodesia, The Gambia, Sierra Leone, Gold Coast, and Nigeria? (Hope I got them all)
HM.
Why ignoring all the other British territories in Africa
I haven't heard "English" with those accents. And English may not be spoken in those territories since the fall of the British Empire.
English may not be spoken in those territories since the fall of the British Empire
English is still Official Language in all of those territories even in Sudan (together with Arabic) and South Sudan (no other Official Language). The only exception is Somalia were English and Italian are classified as "recognized national languages" while Arabic and Somali are Official Languages.
You are known to dig-up obscure facts, I'm amazed you didn't check this.
BTW, in Belize (Brit.Honduras), in Guyana (Brit.Guiana) and Jamaica is English still the only Official Language.
In Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Malaysia is English no Official Language but it is Official Language in Papua New Guinea, Singapore, India, and Pakistan(!).
HM.
Just some stupid trivia, It takes 9 hours to cross England (I used England as the search term), it takes 12 hours to cross Texas, and to cross my home state, about 8.5 hours to go from Florida To Tennessee. Here we'd do it on Interstate Highways.
LA to NYC would be 2789 miles and 42 hours of driving time (does not counts stops for gas, food, bathroom breaks, or sleep)
It takes 9 hours to cross England
When you say 'cross', to me that implies along an East-West axis. I'm pretty sure that would take less than 9 hours, barring a traffic hold-up.
I'm not so sure about North-South. It should be doable in about 6, but Lands End to Hadrian's Wall might be more challenging.
AJ
As someone who has done it!
Just below Dumfries to the East coast approx 100 miles 2 hours
Liverpool to Grimsby approx 140 miles- less than 3 hours
Just below Dumfries to the East coast approx 100 miles 2 hours
Liverpool to Grimsby approx 140 miles- less than 3 hours
That covers the North and the Midlands.
How about the South: Lands End to Broadstairs or slightly shorter to Deal. The northern route (Stonehenge) should be faster than the southern coastal route (Dorchester, Southampton, Brighton, Folkestone) approx 400 miles.
This might really take 9 hours.
HM.