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Is SOL feminine, masculine or neuter?

richardshagrin 🚫
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I have been reading a story by Argon (a Noble Gas) that has a penultimate comment that leads me to ask what sex is Stories on Line?

"I use SOL and its sister sites as sole outlets for my stories, and I ask you to respect that."

Are Lazeez's sites male, female or devoid of sexual characteristics? Sister sites may not indicate SOL is feminine but that Fine Stories and the Science Fiction Site are sisters, which is to say probably female.

The quote is from "Double or Nothing" by Argon

A Story in the Anthony Carter Universe.

Keet 🚫

@richardshagrin

On FineStories or SciFiStories SOL will probably be called a sister site too. Nowadays you no longer know what gender a 'sister' is so the question remains unanswered.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Keet

Nowadays you no longer know what gender a 'sister' is so the question remains unanswered.

I know that remark was made humorously, but if 'sister' in this context is used idiomatically, you're right that it doesn't fix SOL's gender.

For example, the 'brotherhood of man' includes all humans, including biological females.

AJ

Replies:   Jack Green
Jack Green 🚫

@awnlee jawking

'brotherhood of man' includes all humans, including biological females.

Two,actually.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Jack Green

Two,actually.

With the competing versions, there's probably been at least four ;-)

AJ

Mushroom 🚫

@richardshagrin

I have been reading a story by Argon (a Nobel Gas) that has a penultimate comment that leads me to ask what sex is Stories on Line?

Well, in most Romance Languages, the gender assigned is the feminine. Hence, "la Internet" in Spanish.

Replies:   Lord Perfect Steve
Lord Perfect Steve 🚫

@Mushroom

"Well, in most Romance Languages, the gender assigned is the feminine. Hence, "la Internet" in Spanish."

Dayum, leave it to me to be contrarian! I've always used "el Internet" or "el InternΓ©" (as it is my particular dialect to 'forget' the last letter)

Replies:   fake-my-mail
fake-my-mail 🚫

@Lord Perfect Steve

Internet is masculine in French as well ;)

Switch Blayde 🚫

@richardshagrin

Are Lazeez's sites male, female or devoid of sexual characteristics? Sister sites may not indicate SOL is feminine

SOL is it.

As to "sister sites," I found this:

The usage originally comes from shipping, where ships built along the same or very similar plans by the same shipping line were called sister ships (the Olympic and Britannic were the Titanic's sister-ships). Ships were and are called 'she' partly from poetry/superstition and partly as an influence of the genders in old English.

Replies:   BlacKnight  Pookie  Dicrostonyx
BlacKnight 🚫

@Switch Blayde

The word scip ("ship") in Old English was in fact neuter, according to Clark Hall.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@BlacKnight

The word scip ("ship") in Old English was in fact neuter, according to Clark Hall.

If you got the snip you would be neuter. Oh wait, you said ship!

AJ

Pookie 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I see SOL as the "mothership". Happy Mother's day!

Replies:   palamedes
palamedes 🚫

@Pookie

I see SOL as the "mothership". Happy Mother's day!

Bump

Dicrostonyx 🚫

@Switch Blayde

partly as an influence of the genders in old English.

This reminds me of why gendered nouns disappeared from the English language. It's actually kind of funny.

Old English mostly refers to Anglo-Saxon English, the variant of Low German imported by the Saxons when the invaded Britain as the Roman Empire collapsed.

However, in the 8th century when the Danes started the Viking raids against Britain, they didn't just steal gold and impregnate women, they also set up colonies, mostly in eastern England. These kingdoms mostly spoke Old Norse.

When the Normans invaded in 1066 and forced the local kings to capitulate, they installed Norman, a form of Middle French, as the official language which would be spoken by the nobility for centuries. The other official language was Latin, which was the language of the Church.

The funny part is that all three languages -- Old English, Old Norse, and Middle French -- have gendered nouns, but they don't always agree. So the peasants who actually spoke Middle English dropped the noun gendering entirely rather than trying to standardise it.

Eddie Davidson 🚫

@richardshagrin

SOL - I always think "Shit out of Luck"

Replies:   richardshagrin
richardshagrin 🚫
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@Eddie Davidson

Shit out of Luck

Wouldn't that be "SooL"?

sool transitive verb

ˈsül
-ed/-ing/-s
Definition of sool
1Australia : to incite (as a dog) to attack : SIC
2Australia : to urge on

History and Etymology for sool
from dialectal British sowl, sole, sool to pull by the ears, of unknown origin

"Sool." Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sool. Accessed 1 Jul. 2021.

Replies:   joyR
joyR 🚫

@richardshagrin

Wouldn't that be "SooL"?

It would be. Except SOL stands for Shit Outta Luck.

Outta being the informal of "out of" and saying "Shit Outta Luck" is hardly formal language.

:)

Justin Case 🚫

@richardshagrin

Boys are born with a penis, girls are born with a vagina.
Since that scientific fact, and the accompanying DNA and Chromosomes, never changes… use that as your guideline.

And you can always do a "Crocodile Dundee check" by just grabbing a handful of crotch to determine sex.

Michael Loucks 🚫

@Justin Case

Boys are born with a penis, girls are born with a vagina.

Typically, XY ('male') and XX ('female'), but not 100%. Look up, among others:

Klinefelter syndrome
XXYY syndrome
XYYY syndrome
XYYYY syndrome
Turner syndrome
Trisomy X (Triple X Syndrom)
Ovotesticular syndrome

Replies:   Keet  Justin Case
Keet 🚫

@Michael Loucks

Typically, XY ('male') and XX ('female'), but not 100%. Look up, among others:

Klinefelter syndrome
XXYY syndrome
XYYY syndrome
XYYYY syndrome
Turner syndrome
Trisomy X (Triple X Syndrom)
Ovotesticular syndrome

Those do exist but are rare. The number of cases doesn't even come close to what the LBGT numbers suggest.

Michael Loucks 🚫

@Keet

Those do exist but are rare. The number of cases doesn't even come close to what the LBGT numbers suggest.

I was simply mentioning them, and trying to avoid the politics.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl 🚫

@Michael Loucks

I was simply mentioning them, and trying to avoid the politics.

There's a difference between actual rare physical conditions and psychological / mental illness.

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫

@StarFleet Carl

There's a difference between actual rare physical conditions and psychological / mental illness.

Again, I wasn't addressing that. I was ONLY addressing that 100% of human beings can be classified 'XY' or 'XX' genetically. That is all.

Dicrostonyx 🚫

@Keet

They're not as rare as you think. Klinefelter syndrome (aka 47-XXY) is estimated at between 1 in 500 and 1 in 1000 live male births.

Given that the population of the US is 332 million with slightly more females than males, that means there are at least 160,000 US men with just this one condition, not including all the other ones.

In fact, since the official definition of a rare disease in the US is one which affects fewer than 200k people, if the incidence of XXY is closer to the 1 in 500 figure then the condition won't even count as rare.

Justin Case 🚫
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@Michael Loucks

The "BIRTH DEFECTS" make up only about 2% of global population.

(High estimate)

I figured my humorous movie reference would have drawn more attention.

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫

@Justin Case

I figured my humorous movie reference would have drawn more attention.

I did notice. :-)

Dicrostonyx 🚫

@Justin Case

As someone who actually has an XXY Chromosome, although I didn't know about it until my late 30s, I have to disagree with your "fact".

Also, if you'd read any medical texts in the last decade you'd know that under current theory there are actually five physiological sexes. And that doesn't include the fact that some people are born with reproductive systems (internal) which don't match their genital systems (external).

Scientifically, sex and gender are a LOT more complicated than just male and female. It's only in non-scientific reading that you find the binary sex concept.

Replies:   John Demille
John Demille 🚫
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@Dicrostonyx

Klinefelter syndrome (aka 47-XXY) is estimated at between 1 in 500 and 1 in 1000 live male births.

Estimated by the same scientific establishment that accepts that there are a bazillion genders. Yes, "trust the science".

Scientifically, sex and gender are a LOT more complicated than just male and female. It's only in non-scientific reading that you find the binary sex concept.

No. Sorry.

Not complicated at all. Exceptions and aberrations don't invalidate the rule.

Gender as separate from sex is a bullshit concept invented in the 60s by a guy who experimented on a pair of twins who ended up killing themselves.

Did you hear about the latest 'genders'? How about the gender 'prius'?

Please peddle this shit somewhere else.

awnlee jawking 🚫

@richardshagrin

Ex-footballer Sol Campbell is male.

AJ

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@richardshagrin

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