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Bambi and the forest fire

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

Once upon a time, a good many years ago, I was acquainted with a fellow who was a copyreader for the New York Times. We were talking about favorite movies one day and he said, to my surprise, that his favorite movie was "Bambi," the Disney cartoon.
I really only remember three scenes of Bambi. One was where a bird, an owl IIRC, used the word "twitterpating" to talk about courtship. Another was that bambi grew up and at the end was a handsome buck. But the most memorable scene was the forest fire, in which the forest creatures were frightened and panicked.
I know that in recent years there have been many stories from news reporters about forest fires in California. Does anybody know whether forest fires decades ago may have inspired the scenes from Bambi? Or did some good storyteller make them up for the fictional movie?

Replies:   Dominions Son  Mushroom
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

Bambi, like most early Disney films is not a story that is original to Disney.

http://norlinreelhistory.blogspot.com/2011/04/disneys-bambi.html

Don't know if the forest fire scene is entirely a creation of Disney or if it's from the book.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ
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@PotomacBob

Does anybody know whether forest fires decades ago may have inspired the scenes from Bambi?

Actually, a lot of that had to do with the changes Disney did in the story. They originally wanted to have the hunters be seen less in the movie than in the book. And one of their earlier drafts actually had the hunters killed by their own fire. Disney really liked that version, but ultimately that part of it was cut.

The original story was written by Austrian Felix Salten, and he also wrote the story that The Shaggy Dog was based on.

However, he was also a writer of dirty books. "Josephine Mutzenbacher or The Story of a Viennese Whore, as Told by Herself" is his most well known story outside of Bambi. A 50 year old prostitute, looking back at how she got started. It has also been made into several different adult movies in Europe.

And in just looking, of the worst 20 fires in California, only 2 predate the movie (the vast majority are in the last 20 years). And in the era that movie was made, California had a very active logging and prevention programs, so fires rarely go out of control like they do today.

Replies:   Dominions Son  irvmull
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

And in the era that movie was made, California had a very active logging and prevention programs, so fires rarely go out of control like they do today.

It depends on what you mean by prevention programs.

In a way some of those programs were too active.

A ground fire doesn't kill mature trees, that takes a canopy fire.

Active programs to watch for and stomp out any fire as quickly as possible combined with cutting off logging and other efforts to thin forests has resulted in a massive build up of fuel on the ground almost guaranteeing a canopy fire when a fire does get started.

As I understand it, if you count small fires stomped out early, back then there were more fires, but they were less severe.

Today, thanks to the build up of fuel on the ground, by the time a fire is even detectable, it's all but unstoppable.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

It depends on what you mean by prevention programs.

In a way some of those programs were too active.

A ground fire doesn't kill mature trees, that takes a canopy fire.

Active programs to watch for and stomp out any fire as quickly as possible combined with cutting off logging and other efforts to thin forests has resulted in a massive build up of fuel on the ground almost guaranteeing a canopy fire when a fire does get started.

That is the real problem in California and Oregon.

"Cutting trees is bad", so nobody goes in and thins out the dead and dying trees. They are handled with a "hands off" approach, and just left to grow out of control. And with efforts to stop all fires, eventually the debris builds up so that when a fire does get out of control, it can no longer be stopped.

I know when I lived in Oroville, it was easy to spot the old "firebreaks" on the hillsides. Where it was common at one time to bulldoze and keep clear large areas, so that if a fire broke out it could be contained. And a great many were actually maintained by the logging companies. They had a vested interest in keeping the forests healthy, and both eliminating dead wood and debris, and replanting.

Now, nobody maintains them, and when fires break out (like we have had the last 3 years), they run out of control. Yet you look at other states (Idaho, Wyoming, Montana), some areas are still maintained by the logging industry, and others are left to run wild. And the ones that burn most often and are more extensive are the ones that are not maintained.

Until 30 years ago, Yellowstone was like that. Then a huge chunk of the park burned down. They still allow almost no logging, but now allow and monitor fires when they do break out. And while there were 17 fires there last year, none of them did major damage to the park. Because they admit that unless you are going to maintain an area manually, you just have to let nature do it in its own way.

This is the problem when you have people who really do not understand something trying to run it. Timber companies are bad and no trees should ever be cut down. OK, great, go ahead and force that through if that is what you think. But somebody had better step up and replace them when it comes to maintaining the forests.

I find it most funny that most who try to push those beliefs have probably never actually been in a forest.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@Mushroom

This is the problem when you have people who really do not understand something trying to run it.

Unfortunately, this is a problem that is endemic to government, affecting almost everything the government controls. And it applies to all levels of government from national to village hall.

Replies:   Remus2
Remus2 ๐Ÿšซ
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@Dominions Son

Unfortunately, this is a problem that is endemic to government, affecting almost everything the government controls. And it applies to all levels of government from national to village hall.

The problem doesn't end with the government, though it is more prevalent with it. The same problem exist in nearly every mid to high cap corporation I've ever interacted with.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Remus2

Tooth!

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ
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@Mushroom

However, he was also a writer of dirty books. "Josephine Mutzenbacher or The Story of a Viennese Whore, as Told by Herself" is his most well known story outside of Bambi.

I'm pretty sure a Bambi has appeared in a large number of dirty movies.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

I'm pretty sure a Bambi has appeared in a large number of dirty movies.

One thing that always puzzled me. "Bambi" is a male deer. Yet is always girls that use the name in porn.

Why not Frank, or Harold?

Replies:   Dominions Son  Keet  irvmull
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

One thing that always puzzled me. "Bambi" is a male deer. Yet is always girls that use the name in porn.

For one thing, I've read that in some European cultures, names ending in a vowel are considered feminine. It's not a hard and fast rule in the US, but it has bled a bit into US culture.

Male names ending if vowels generally are rare in the US, but almost none ending in i. The i for some reason has taken on particularly feminine tones, not sure why.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Male names ending if vowels generally are rare in the US, but almost none ending in i. The i for some reason has taken on particularly feminine tones, not sure why.

Mike, Pete, Tony, Antonio, George, Dave, Steve, Joshua, Charlie, Henry, Harry, Eddie, etc.

I would question that, probably somebody making a false correlation if you ask me.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@Mushroom

Mike, Pete, Tony, Antonio, George, Dave, Steve, Joshua, Charlie, Henry, Harry, Eddie, etc.

Y is not always a vowel, it doesn't count. Also, look at the proper names, not diminutives.

Michael, Peter, David, Steven. Charles, Edward.

Replies:   palamedes  Mushroom
palamedes ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Mike, Pete, Tony, Antonio, George, Dave, Steve, Joshua, Charlie, Henry, Harry, Eddie, etc.

Y is not always a vowel, it doesn't count. Also, look at the proper names, not diminutives.

Michael, Peter, David, Steven. Charles, Edward.

You are making the assumption. Not everyone's name they use is a contraction of the name that they where actually given.

IMDB the actor Steve Howey given name is Steve Michael Robert Howey and for god sakes don't ask me what my sister sees in him.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@palamedes

You are making the assumption.

I am, but not the one you imagine.

I said up front that it isn't that solid in the US.

In regards to Steve, those who have that has their actual proper name are much fewer in number than Steven.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

In regards to Steve, those who have that has their actual proper name are much fewer in number than Steven.

My youngest son is named "Dave". Named after my uncle, and his grandfather, also named "Dave". His older brother is "Zachary". Once again, that "I" sound at the end.

Of course, their mother was a bit of an odd bird, which is probably one reason I loved her so much. Born "Rebecca", she for some reason had picked the spelling "Bekkie". But you could tell her parents were also of the "Hippie" era, because of the middle name of "Dawn".

Names are fun things, and I love studying them. But also often laugh at them. Especially at the inadvertent combinations.

Like my oldest son. Who is named "John Paul". A combination of 2 names from my family, but also the name of the Pope at the time of his birth. A coincidence my ex-Catholic wife at the time did not realize and then often hated. "Oh, you are from South America and named your son after the Pope, how inspiring!" *wife grinds teeth*

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

Like my oldest son. Who is named "John Paul"

So now does your wife regret not going with "George Ringo"?

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@palamedes

Y is not always a vowel, it doesn't count.

Irrelevant fact: In the UK, Lesley is normally female and Leslie is normally male. But I believe there are regional variations and sometimes the opposite is true.

AJ

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Irrelevant fact: In the UK, Lesley is normally female and Leslie is normally male. But I believe there are regional variations and sometimes the opposite is true.

In the US, Bobbi is normally female, Bobby is normally male. Yet when said out loud, both of them sound the exact same.

"Vowel" is only important when writing a name or word. In this case, the important thing is really what the name sounds like. Therefore, since "I" and "Y" sound the same, both are equally valid.

Of course, we can always just make a future where everybody is named "Pat", "Chris", and "Tracy". At that point, we will never have an idea.

Replies:   irvmull  richardshagrin
irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

I have three friends named Pat. One of each.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@irvmull

I have three friends named Pat. One of each.

Not a problem. Hell, SNL made a long running sketch with such a character. And 25 years ago made over that very topic.

A character (played by Julie Sweeney), and "their" significant other, Chris. Who left Pat at one point for somebody else named Terry. Myself, I thought it was hilarious, and was great at playing with conceptions.

Of course, today people would find that offensive.

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

since "I" and "Y" sound the same, both are equally valid.

I have tried a number of words with Y and don't see that they sound like an "i". Yacht, Yellow, Yashir (a name, mostly foreign), moneY, yesterday, many more with a y in the word. Often, to me it sounds like an e. Dicky, Tricky, Ricky are an "e' sound.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@richardshagrin

Dicky, Tricky, Ricky

Is that Freudian? Dicky and Ricky are obvious contractions of Richard, but if you had a friend, you'd want them to call you Tricky?

AJ

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Y is not always a vowel, it doesn't count.

What is the sound? Hmmm, predominantly it is the "I" sound. What matters when saying a name, the letter or the sound?

And most of us do not go around calling each other by more formal names most of the time. But I grew up with people names "Steve", and 'Dave". Lots of the early proto-hippies used the less formal names as the birth name.

When not using names like Star, Bright, and Moon Unit.

Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

One thing that always puzzled me. "Bambi" is a male deer. Yet is always girls that use the name in porn.

That's probably coming from something like the Italian 'bambina' which is freely translated 'little girl'.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

One thing that always puzzled me. "Bambi" is a male deer. Yet is always girls that use the name in porn.

Why not Frank, or Harold?

Like I'm going to spend money to see Frank and Harold take it all off in a film called "Boobalicious". No thank you.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

Naughty Bambi. Don't play with matches!

AJ

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

In a list of the top 100 popular names for boys, only two end with an 'i'. Both are biblical names.

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