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Summer Camp by Nick Scipio

Eldof ๐Ÿšซ

Hi.
I was looking for long series with good ratings to read and was thinking about reading Summer Camp by Nick Scipio.

What makes me hesitate is the swinging. Some stories with swinging I don't mind at all, while I absolutely hate it in others.
I like it when it's entirely consensual, no one is being pressured into it, both are doing it the same time (they don't have to be in the same room, but I don't like it when they sleep around when their partner isn't available, that's not swinging in my opinion, just an open relationship) and all the characters involved are likable. Like in Florida Friends by Dual Writer, Steve, Sue, and their usual hot tub friends are all nice people that you'll probably like. However, also in Florida Friends, I hated the Chuck and Bobby arc. In their case, Bobby was all for it while Chuck was very hesitant, unsure and didn't really like it, especially when Bobby just went off and had sex with some of their new friends, telling him about it later.

So, I'd like to know what "type" of swinging it is in Summer Camp. Is it between nice characters (i.e no jerks, not people they just met who just want to get off, but actual friends like Steve's group in Florida Friends), no one has been pressured into it (I don't care if they actually liked it after trying it, I just don't like it if one or both of them are unsure if this is something they want), and is the swinging something they just do together, or is it more of an open relationship where they not only swap partners every now and then, but they just have sex with whoever whenever they feel like?

Thanks for anyone who can shed some light for me!

madnige ๐Ÿšซ

@Eldof

IIRC, swinging in Summer Camp is largely off-screen, and what there is, is even more closed-group than Steve's Florida Friends.

Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@Eldof

Leaving the swinging aside for a moment, just remember that the story is unfinished here and that progress with new chapters is glacial.
I can't remember if he posts new chapters to his own site (nickscipio.com?) or to Patreon because I had lost interest a couple of years before that development, I do know that you have to pay for them. Nothing against that in principle, but not in a "don't care" situation.

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@Eldof

Summer Camp is a well-written story that the author says will be 5 books long. Four of those books are available on SOL for free. The author, at one point, said the fifth book would eventually be posted on SOL. If I recall correctly, the story was started in the early 2000s - so it has been more than a decade in the making. It's a coming-of-age story, with some of the action taking place at a nudist-type summer camp in South Carolina (the "summer camp") of the title. The prologue to each of the book includes conversations among the main character and his wife at some point in the future, discussing the death of a character. It sets up two mysteries - who IS the wife, and who IS the character who dies. Each of the four books on SOL has 30-something chapters, and for a while lagged with new chapters being posted as infrequently as once a year. As I understand it, new chapters are now being posted weekly, but it still incomplete. I hope the author fulfills his promise to post the fifth and final book on SOL at some point.
As to the swinging, as far as I can remember, all of the participants did so willingly (eagerly, actually).
Many of the characters in the story are quite likeable, going through teenage angst, but most (maybe all) had some flaws.
In the 3rd book (set during the college years of the MC), there was one particularly unlikeable character - who eventually got his comeuppance.
There are several stories written by other authors in the "summer camp universe" that are posted on the author's website.

Replies:   joyR
joyR ๐Ÿšซ

@PotomacBob

The author, at one point, said the fifth book would eventually be posted on SOL.

At that time it was still a four book deal and the author HAD to say he would eventually post all chapters to SOL. As 'teasers' are forbidden, to not have stated such would have resulted in his story being taken down, along with any story that starts on SOL but requires that the reader pay elsewhere to complete their reading of the story.

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Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@joyR

any story that starts on SOL but requires that the reader pay elsewhere to complete their reading of the story.

Them's the rules now, but were they the rules when the saga started? His pay-to-read is a relatively recent development.

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Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Dinsdale

Them's the rules now, but were they the rules when the saga started?

Yes

LucyAnneThorn ๐Ÿšซ

@Eldof

So, I'd like to know what "type" of swinging it is in Summer Camp. Is it between nice characters (i.e no jerks, not people they just met who just want to get off, but actual friends like Steve's group in Florida Friends), no one has been pressured into it (I don't care if they actually liked it after trying it, I just don't like it if one or both of them are unsure if this is something they want), and is the swinging something they just do together, or is it more of an open relationship where they not only swap partners every now and then, but they just have sex with whoever whenever they feel like?

It's the "good" kind of swinging, all voluntary and definitely strong about commitment and togetherness in relationships, and not just an excuse for "anything goes". I don't think you'll find issues with the story in that regard.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

I admit I loved the series, and read each one eagerly.

But as the series continued, the breaks in writing got longer and longer, and now it is entirely behind a pay wall. So I pretty much stopped, and am only interested in seeing who his wife is.

It is a good read though, just realize before you start that it is likely that unless you pay it will forever be unfinished.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

It is a good read though, just realize before you start that it is likely that unless you pay it will forever be unfinished.

He also used to post nude pictures daily, and engage in banter with his audience. Then he quit, because he went off on a political rampage, and people were arguing with him, and he didn't like it.

norefund ๐Ÿšซ
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Crikey, it's really funny how so many of you have such a hard-on for Nick. He can be pugnacious, so I understand how he has rubbed some people up the wrong way, but let's face it, this is about him being one of the top earning adult writer on Patreon, isn't it?

A while back, updates to SC were very slow. Glacial really is the correct description. However since he established his Patreon a few years ago, weekly updates comprising posts equivalent to a third of a chapter have been arriving like clockwork.

I am on the minimum tier but I understand there is a bit more content posted weekly for people who donate more.

Now I must confess, I haven't been enjoying SC as much as I used to. The MC's adventures as a collage student haven't been as interesting for me as those of his teen years when he was finding out about his family's lifestyle and swinging at camp. There is also a noticeable bit of sanctimonious WOKEism slipping into the MC narrative voice which I find a little irritating.

That said, the writing has remained solid and with all due respect to everyone here, is significantly better than the vast majority of work posted on this site.

It is not fair to say SC "will forever be unfinished" unless you pay for it. My understanding is that Nick has repeatedly committed to posting book 5 to this site, in a couple of posts on these forums as well as on his Patron and website.

He has made no commitment to when he will post them though. Safe to say it won't be before B5 has concluded on Patron. We are however, close to the end of the saga now and you have four long books already posted to get through before you are ready for B5.

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ
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@norefund

this is about him being one of the top earning adult writer on Patreon, isn't it?

Nope. It's about him literally wishing me and millions of people like me dead, and posting it on his website.

Wait, what? How could I say that? Because it's true, AND the pictures where he said it are still up.

Over the years, he had posted assorted political pictures at different times. His website, post what he wants. But he also had a comments section.

I was not the only person who went to his POD site for our daily picture of porn that also happens to be Republican. Starting in September of 2018, Nick started posting offensive pictures of President Trump. Not a big deal, he'd posted offensive pictures of Hillary, when she was running.

The problem came in the comments section, when people didn't agree with his political views on President Trump. And then argued about it, as people discussing politics are wont to do.

So, when he made this post:

https://www.nickscipio.com/pod/2018/09/29/a-message-to-trump-fans/

With the commentary:

"A message to Trump fans: Go fuck yourself.

You're a miserable piece of shit.

Really, go fuck yourself and find another site. You're an asshole.

Seriously, leave. Now. I don't want you here."

Then in November made a post with HIS comment literally calling for us to be killed.

"We need these on voting machines.

That's one way to stop Trump voters.

I'd prefer a general purge from the gene pool,

but preventing them from voting would be a start.

Yeah, yeah, I knowโ€ฆ voter suppression is a GOP thing.

Can't we do it too? Just this once?"

So, yeah. Nick can go fuck himself, as far as I'm concerned. There's a difference between pugnacious and totally offensive. And it was only a short time later he shut his POD site down.

Replies:   Mushroom  norefund
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

This is something that would drive me away also.

While I admit some of my personal beliefs do make their way into my stories, I also put in things that are not my views. They are stories after all, not manifestos.

And the fastest way to turn me away from reading stories is for them to get overtly political. And it does not matter what side of the fence it is on, I have been called a "Militant Moderate", and it is actually an apt description. I strive for compromise and cooperation, and hate divisive behavior.

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Michael Loucks ๐Ÿšซ
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@Mushroom

This is something that would drive me away also.

Me, too, and I'm no fan of DJT. But those comments did ensure I wouldn't subscribe to Nick's Patreon. He's entitled to his views, and so am I. But making real or implied threats of violence is where I have to draw the line.

norefund ๐Ÿšซ
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@StarFleet Carl

I am not going to defend Nick's - in my opinion - often grace-less way of handling disagreement or criticism, over *any* subject. I offer no rebuke to those who have fallen out with him or don't want to continue with SC because of it.

The thing is, on these forums, no one has ever asked if Nick Scipio is a nice bloke. What is generally asked is if Summer Camp is good (yes it is), if it is being updated frequently (yes it is), and if the last book will be posted for free (eventually, but not soon).

Although my reply was in response to Mushroom and your posts, the two of you are by no means the first or only people to respond to a question about Summer Camp with hostility to Nick and what amounts to misinformation about the story's status.

One particular active member would, until very recently, never let a post about SC go by without advancing his thesis that updates had stopped because Nick had setup a website and was posting a picture of a naked woman to it ever day. *Every-single-time* anyone asked about SC, we would get a little soliloquy about this. Never mind that regular SC updates had in fact started up again while the website and the daily naked picture thing was still being done (before he set-up his Patreon).

As I said, I understand why Nick rubs people up the wrong way. May I suggest that if you have stopped following SC because of this or just don't know the status of his work, you simply refrain from answering questions about it?

Replies:   Mushroom  blacksash
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@norefund

Do not confuse my comments as hostility.

I think mixing politics and anything other than politics is just stupid, but a person is welcome to do whatever they want. I actually happen to be very active on several political debate boards, but I do not let that bleed over into here. No more than I talk about the erotica I write over there (I think I only mentioned I am such an author once when a discussion of intellectual theft came up).

But I also consider that once a story has gone over 1 years without updates for over a year to be a "dead story". And SC has now gone over 2 years. And at this point, he has been posting them here for over 17 years.

I have long ago stopped reading stories that have fallen into the "Incomplete and Inactive" category. And he has not posted anything in here in over 2 years.

To me, that simply means he has moved on. He may return, and if he does great. But at this time, lack of even posting short stories or anything else, I can do nothing but assume he is no longer active here.

I am simply being pragmatic, is nothing personal.

blacksash ๐Ÿšซ
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@norefund

I used to be a SC fan back in ASSM newsgroup era and it was the main reason I subscribed to SOL. Fast forward to 2018 when I found out NS was on patreon. I was a patron for almost a year and I have to say that his latest work is subpar. Maybe not the right word as it was very well written but the story wasn't going anywhere and I was under the impression that he was dragging around. I could say with a bit of malice that the longer it goes the bigger the revenue, but maybe he just lost his mojo.

No comment on him being a jerk, I just remember him ranting on the superiority of APPLE servers over other OSs. Apple servers, go figure.

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norefund ๐Ÿšซ
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@blacksash

Well, I agree that the latter-day SC isn't as good as earlier books. For me the reason is clear. It isn't that the writing is not as good or that NS is dragging the story. I'm just not as interested in the MC in general and especially in him as a twenty year old. The other young characters around his life during the earlier books, the Coulter's and his own family, these characters were always more interesting as far as I am concerned.

I think this applies to many readers and has a lot to do with why many imagine NS is dragging the story along. If you step back from your own lack of intreats, you can see the story is moving at the same sort of pace as previous books.

The other reason I don't think he is deliberately dragging the story is that the Patreon scheme support him not SC. I think what ever he does next he can expect the support he has built up to continue - well, unless he really messes up. If he forks SC and starts a new saga set around the same sort of situations or does something like SC the Next Generation with the MC's and the Coulter's offspring for example, I've no doubt the money faucet will keep gushing.

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blacksash ๐Ÿšซ

@norefund

Who are you, NS lawyer? Seriously I see your point and had the same thought but I think it's something different. At the time I wasn't exposed to most of the best authors here and he looked like someone new, refreshing. Erotica could be well written and interesting beside the sex. After I unsuscribed I went back to the earlier work and it looked just bland. So I think that's a case of it's not you, it's just me.

Regards

LonelyDad ๐Ÿšซ

I have no problems with him posting his work on Patreon first. After all, he has delivered everything he has promised so far over the years. Baring death [his and/or mine] or the apocalypse, I expect to someday read Book 5 and find out who died and who he married [which I have a sneaking suspicion is not someone we have seen so far.] Our parents always told us patience is a virtue, its just hard to practice.

PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@LonelyDad

I have no problems with him posting his work on Patreon first. After all, he has delivered everything he has promised so far over the years.

Portions of book 5 are on Amazon. Looks like each portion is about 5 chapters long (out of 40 or so) and each portion selling for about $10. If my math is correct (and it may not be), a complete Book 5 will cost you about $80 on Amazon.

richardshagrin ๐Ÿšซ

@LonelyDad

patience is a virtue

"Who Said "Patience Is a Virtue"?
There are many colloquialisms which we state with regularity. "Absence makes the heart grow fonder," is one example. "Patience is a virtue" is another. Do you ever pause to wonder where theses phrases come from and why we say them?

"Patience is a virtue" is a notion that's widely accepted, but when did we first start saying it? We need to take a long walk back through history to find out.

What Does "Patience Is a Virtue" Mean?
This sentiment is a reflection upon someone's ability to wait for something. By calling patience a virtue, or state of moral excellence, it leads people to believe an ability to wait without agitation is an admirable quality.

Part of the reason this has been a long-standing truth throughout history is because patience often goes against our instincts. It's something everyone struggles with, including our earliest ancestors.

The good news is, patience is a skill that can be learned over time. The more we exercise patience, the less likely we are to become agitated when forced to wait for something. Mastering this virtue will make for a happier life. That's certainly one of the reasons why it's so famously touted by writers and philosophers alike.

Origins of "Patience Is a Virtue"
Like many of the famous sayings we recite today, the original author of "Patience is a virtue" is hard to pin down. Some date it back to Cato to the Elder in the third or fourth century. Others attribute it to The Canterbury Tales, written during the 14th century. Since literature is quite fluid and shared by many, writers often observe similar concepts and themes. It can be difficult to attribute commonly accepted thoughts or reflections to one individual.

Let's take a look at some of the famous writers who may have coined this now-common colloquialism.

Cato the Elder
Dating back to the third or fourth century, we know of The Distichs of Cato, commonly referred to as Cato. This was a Latin collection of proverbial wisdom and morality, becoming the most popular Latin textbook in the Middle Ages. It was considered not only a textbook for learning Latin, but good morals, too.

Assumed to have been written by Cato the Elder, there is a line in this text that reads, "Of human virtues, patience is most great." While this is a striking statement in defense of patience, Cato often gets overlooked as the originator of this sentiment.

Psychomania
Other research dates this saying back to the fifth century. It was then that Latin poet Prudentius wrote a near thousand-line epic poem, Psychomania, describing the conflict between vice and virtue. The main characters were Hope, Sobriety, Chastity, and Humility, as they fought against Pride, Wrath, Paganism, and Avarice.

Although the famous line "Patience is a virtue" isn't expressly stated in Psychomania, it's one of the earliest recorded attempts at highlighting patience as a virtue, or state of moral excellence.

Piers Plowman
It's most commonly believed that the line originated from the poem, Piers Plowman, said to have been written around 1360 by English poet William Langland, about a man in search of faith. One line in the poem states that "patience is a fair virtue."

The poem is an allegory, meaning the characters are symbolic and satirical. However, the allegory isn't vague or abstract. Langland followed a similar pattern to Prudentius and used personification to illustrate human virtues.

The main characters in this poem include Truth (God), Wrong (Devil), Holy Church, Thought, Wit, Study, Conscience, Liar, Reason, Dowel (do well), Dobet (do better) and Dobest (do best), plus the seven deadly sins. The characters are lead on a quest by Piers Plowman. Plowman is chosen as the guide due to his state of moral excellence.

The Canterbury Tales
Ten years later, Geoffrey Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales started to gain notoriety. This is another story, or series of stories, detailing virtue's place in one's life. The characters in each tale embark on pilgrimages, motivated by love, and characterized by self-denial and contrition.

In The Canterbury Tales, we find a similar quote, "Patience is a high virtue." While these pilgrimages were marked by virtuous behavior, it's made clear that the practice of patience made for a more contented journey, even in the face of self-denial and contrition.

Interestingly enough, Chaucer referred to Cato in Canterbury Tales. He wrote, "He knew not Catoun, for his wit was rude." Although he doesn't cite patience directly, Chaucer alludes to Cato's text as being an authority on morality.

A Common Sentiment
So we can see that "patience is a virtue" has long been touted as a universal truth. Common sentiments such as this often make their way into the literature of the time, which makes it difficult to pinpoint the exact origin of the phrase since the quote may have already been known to people through an oral story tradition.

The battle against impatience has been constant, through every generation. In the end, if patience is victorious, we're well positioned to live a happier, more virtuous life, in that highly regarded state of moral excellence.

While we continue on our path to such excellence, enjoy some more quotes by these wise men, including Geoffrey Chaucer and William Langland."

Beteez ๐Ÿšซ

He lost me taking money for months when he didn't supply new material & now he is just dragging it out to find out who dies. It is a big money grab, that he knows many will quit when the deceased is revealed.

Barahir ๐Ÿšซ
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@Eldof

To answer the original question in more detail: the vast majority of the swinging is healthy and happy, but while there are parties and such the vast majority of it is done separately. There are different rules for different relationships, but once the door's open people pretty regularly have sex without their primary partner(s) involvement, or even presence...though with very rare exceptions it's always with permission (tacit or explicit).

Some of the swinging is incestuous, and while that (mostly) ends pretty early in the story, the theme hovers over a great deal of the remaining narrative.

There are two instances that I recall as being unhealthy. One is the main character's girlfriend engaging in a gangbang that shatters their rules; it's right at the end of a disintegrating relationship so the event is situationally appropriate, but it is there.

The other is that the main character rapes someone. He doesn't get very far โ€” it lasts a second or two โ€” and again it's true to the sort of person he was at the time, but it's a disturbing and unusual thing for an allegedly sympathetic POV character (which he generally is) to do, so be prepared for it.

oldegrump ๐Ÿšซ

OK people, let me be an ogre here, When I tried to read Summer Camp, there were so manmy links to side stories that I could not follow the story beyond page 100, (if I even got that far).

Has the story been smoothed out, or is it still start reading but go to this story.

On the site I was reading it on, you could not avoid the side stories. It was a total turn off.

I am not against book series, but they need to flow.

CAT the Oldgrump

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Barahir ๐Ÿšซ

@oldegrump

I've no idea where you were reading, but if you go to Nick's site the side stories (by which I assume you mean all the Big Ed Magnusson fanfics) are tucked into their own little corner and the original story is very easy to read in a clean, proper order.

Replies:   PotomacBob  oldegrump
PotomacBob ๐Ÿšซ

@Barahir

Barahir
3/1/2020, 9:54:44 PM

@oldegrump

I've no idea where you were reading, but if you go to Nick's site the side stories (by which I assume you mean all the Big Ed Magnusson fanfics) are tucked into their own little corner and the original story is very easy to read in a clean, proper order.

The first four "books" are on SOL - no detour necessary.

oldegrump ๐Ÿšซ

@Barahir

I read some of it on the site that imploded over the last three years. It was probably ten or more years ago. Right now, I have too many stories to read to even think of returning to a story I did not understand because the thread sucked.

alaska ๐Ÿšซ

@Eldof

After almost 20 years I have the answer of who he married and who died. Cost me $10 from Amazon ebooks. Nick's blog here gave me the location and title of the book that provided the answer. I was wrong in my guess of who he married but correct on who died.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@alaska

Well it's about time.

I also had a good idea who had died, but I gave up long ago trying to figure out who he had married. The way he burned girlfriends and moved from one to the next largely left me no longer caring.

And it is also one reason why I wrapped up my own "Country Boy" series when I did. I did not want to get accuse of "Scipioism", and dragging it out forever. Although I did provide plenty of clues in my feedback at the end of each chapter, and more than a few readers did guess correctly (which I always deleted so as not to give it away).

And I admit, it was funny to read the "Teams" forming up and rooting for each girl in my story, and then moaning when she and my main character crashed and burned. Team Becky, Team Holly, Team Mandy, etc.

And I often joked that for some reason, a "Team Linda" never materialized.

As for SC, I have no idea as I pretty much stopped reading after Book III. And I imagine in a few years when he finally puts it up in here I will finally find out.

Replies:   Quasirandom
Quasirandom ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

I never finished book III, or whichever one it is when he starts college. A couple weeks into freshman year, I didn't like how much of a jerk he was becoming and lost interest.

Rodav ๐Ÿšซ

@Eldof

I read all the Summer camp books and had been a member of his patreon for a while. I even wrote a few fan fiction stories of SC with his blessings. It's mostly what I think was an exciting side story that needs to be told.

I also bought his book "The best laid plans" it's about the mother and son incest.

I find more exciting the incest innuendos and interactions of the summer camp.

If ever I would like to know for patreon memebers if the mother and son had sex again. And if the brother and sister finally had full sex.

If you get a chance please check the author Rodav and let me know what you think of my SC fan fiction stories.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Rodav

I read all the Summer camp books and had been a member of his patreon for a while. I even wrote a few fan fiction stories of SC with his blessings. It's mostly what I think was an exciting side story that needs to be told.

Nick is interestingly one of the authors that tends to get the biggest reaction whenever his name is brought up.

Myself, I admit I read his first books eagerly. And it is sometimes hard to believe that was almost 20 years ago now. But his snail pace at times and literally going YEARS without any progress at all made me move on. Plus, it was just so focused on incest, which is not a major interest to me.

By the time Paul got into college he seemed to turn into a real douche, and I stopped caring to be honest.

And since then his constant promises that he would continue to publish them for free, and how he just dragged the stories out have largely left me not really caring anymore.

I think the last major change I saw from him in here was about a year ago. When he here (and other places like Amazon) broke each of his older stories up into 3-6 books, at something like $6 each. At that point, I just completely gave up.

I might read the conclusion, if he ever gets around to posting it in here. Which to be honest I doubt he will ever do.

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