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Lack of the use of "and" and "the"

Saber123 ๐Ÿšซ

Is it just me or have SOL stories stopped using "and" and "the" in their stories? These appear to have been replaced by the use of "or" and "a". It makes it very difficult to read stories when you have to translate as you go.

Gauthier ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

Contact Lazeez, the site identified you as a bot.

Replies:   Pixy
Pixy ๐Ÿšซ

@Gauthier

the site identified you as a bot

?

Replies:   Dinsdale
Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@Pixy

I'd be a bit upset - and curious as to what I was doing "wrong" - if that happened to me, but at least I'd know what the cause was. The necessity is obvious and I won't worry about it unless lightning strikes here.

In the meantime, e-x-t-e-r-m-i-n-a-t-e.

Sorry about that, don't know what came over me.

Replies:   Radagast
Radagast ๐Ÿšซ

@Dinsdale

What's the weather like on Skaro today?

Replies:   Dinsdale
Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@Radagast

Hot and humid, my connections are corroding.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

It would help if you would give a example from a story where the words were missing.

Replies:   julo
julo ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

It is (pretty much) every story. Don't even have to download. Just open any story/chapter in a browser and search for " the " (that is space,the,space). Anything after "there is more text" has the replacements. Any "the" left are capital "T" (sentence start).
This seems to have started at or around the beginning of this year.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

Don't see that problem, and I tried several stories, both logged in and as a "visitor".

Replies:   julo
julo ๐Ÿšซ
Updated:

@irvmull

This is weird then. Max limit exceeded?

Just to clarify: it is the text after "there is more text", not the beginning of a chapter?

ETA I tried as 'visitor' and indeed it did not happen either. But could see only chapter 1. Probably a limit on email address?

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

It would help if you named the story which is causing you trouble.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

What happened to Saber123?

julo ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

I got contacted by Lazeez. Like gauthier said: The system identified me as a bot.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

Why don't you copy and paste where these words are missing?

Replies:   julo
julo ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

Copy from where?
As mentione above only if one is identified as a 'bot' and only the text after "there is more text" is affected. For instance all 'the' get changed to 'a'. But since there are also valid 'a' a batch replace would not fix but maybe reduce? But again, not the whole chapter, just the 2nd half. Too much effort for the result!

A recent example was https://storiesonline.net/s/28952/dissonance
But you probably won't see the problem unless you are also 'botomized.

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@julo

Spoken like a true AI.

irvmull ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

Someone is unable to copy and paste a paragraph of the "damaged" text. Wonder why?

haegar ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

I had the same issue. After contacting Lazeez he told me that due to my reading behavior I had been identifiued as a bot by the site system. He agreed to set my status below the bot level.
Nevetheless he reminded me to change my reading behavior because he woudl do it only once and if I got above that level again I just would have to live with it.

Somewhat understandable but...

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@haegar

he reminded me to change my reading behavior because he woudl do it only once

I don't understand that. Once you prove that you're not a bot, your userid should be tagged as a flesh and blood person.

Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

I don't understand that. Once you prove that you're not a bot, your userid should be tagged as a flesh and blood person.

The system tags a user as a bot if suspicious reading behavior is detected. So the user gets marked as a bot. Lazeez can reset that mark but there's no separate list of users that were marked or reset other than all users with or without that mark. The system just keeps checking reading behavior which can cause the same user to be marked again. There's no way to know if a user had the mark reset.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Once you prove that you're not a bot, your userid should be tagged as a flesh and blood person.

Other, non-literature, sites have done that to me :-(

AJ

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ
Updated:

@awnlee jawking

Once you prove that you're not a bot, your userid should be tagged as a flesh and blood person.

Other, non-literature, sites have done that to me :-(

Why the sad face if they tagged you not being a bot? ๐ŸงŒ

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

Why the sad face if they tagged you not being a bot?

But after agreeing I'm not a bot, Twitter suspended me twice more. The suspension message refers to Twitter's T&C but I can't see anything that I did wrong. Therefore I don't know what to do to avoid further suspensions.

AJbot

Lazeez Jiddan (Webmaster)

@Switch Blayde

I don't understand that. Once you prove that you're not a bot, your userid should be tagged as a flesh and blood person.

Behind every bot there is a human. If you contact me and prove you're a human and yet everything you do is through a bot, you're still a bot.

ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Saber123

suspicious reading behavior

What is suspicious reading behavior? And why would someone use a bot on this site?

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

And why would someone use a bot on this site?

Scraping stories to post elsewhere, possibly for money.

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Scraping stories to post elsewhere, possibly for money.

Ok I am still a little confused which I put down as knowing nothing about how bots work. But are you talking about downloading epubs? And why would you need a bot for that?

Replies:   Dinsdale  Dominions Son
Dinsdale ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

You need Premier membership for that, it seems that bots are too cheap to spring for that.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

Ok I am still a little confused which I put down as knowing nothing about how bots work. But are you talking about downloading epubs? And why would you need a bot for that?

No, they were scraping plain text, likely making their own epubs. Lazeez mentioned bots causing server load issues by downloading lots of stories from SOL when he first implemented the read more button on free accounts and several other anti-bot measures.

As for why bots, because the volume was higher than any person could have managed manually.

Replies:   ystokes
ystokes ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

No, they were scraping plain text, likely making their own epubs.

Wow I was a bot years ago because that was what I did back when I didn't have internet, let alone a membership. Each day I would go down to the library and hit "save as HTML" each page and later put them together as a epub. Granted they were only for my enjoyment. I find it hard to get through a day without reading something. If the story was really good, I found it hard to get to sleep because my mind keeps going over the story.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

Each day I would go down to the library and hit "save as HTML" each page and later put them together as a epub.

Yea, but you were doing it manually.

Whoever caused the problems that caused Lazeez to implement anti-bot measures was doing hundreds of stories per day using multiple free accounts. Enough that the intent might have been a DDS type attack rather than stealing stories.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@ystokes

I found it hard to get to sleep because my mind keeps going over the story.

That happens to authors when they're writing a story.

If I don't keep getting out of bed to type it down, I forget it in the morning.

Replies:   Keet
Keet ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

That happens to authors when they're writing a story.

If I don't keep getting out of bed to type it down, I forget it in the morning.

Keep a memo-recorder next to your bed so you don't have to get out in the middle of the night to type.

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