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Caricatured antagonists - useful?

JoeBobMack ๐Ÿšซ
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Just finished reading a series I loved, but the last book had a classic caricatured antagonist. It didn't ruin the story for me -- the characters and plot and emotions were just too good -- but it grated just a little. And yet I wondered, could the story have been as good if the author (whose work I really like) took the space to try and create a nuanced antagonist?

In the book I read, the antagonist was a environmentally insensitive (ultimately portrayed as hostile) corporation. Some version of the evil corporation is common, but the opposite version is also out there -- corporations (businesses) that the protagonist develops to serve needs, employ friends, and overall to make the world a better place. (There used to be a great video on the web by Jonathan Haidt on the different ways liberals and conservatives see capitalism, and my memory says it was close to the above. Of course, my memory gets more suspect every day...)

So, I guess my question for the thoughtful folks in this forum is: are caricatured, stereotyped antagonists sometimes a good choice, especially if one seeks not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good?

black_coffee ๐Ÿšซ

@JoeBobMack

Naw. I find them incredibly grating, also.

In the case of Big Agriculture or Big something, it's a lot more helpful if you can show the motives of the big company - usually, they're not intending harm, but might accept 'collateral damage'

But people are nearly never pure evil. They too are motivated by diverse needs and desires, and sometimes even good intentions or not causing harm are secondary concerns while focused on a goal. These people are much more interesting, especially when they realize what they've done and do any of: react, think about it deeply, or shrug...

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tenyari ๐Ÿšซ

@black_coffee

When the character actually is a stereotype can sometimes be grating, and sometimes serve a purpose if used with care.

An effective twist is to have other characters in the story presume a character or organization is the stereotype and then peel back a different truth.

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black_coffee ๐Ÿšซ

@tenyari

An effective twist is to have other characters in the story presume a character or organization is the stereotype and then peel back a different truth.

Yep.

blackjack2145309 ๐Ÿšซ

@JoeBobMack

Hmm, I think the book your reading sounds a lot like the plot to the USA series "Mr. Robot" (God what a head trip!)

To put my own two cents in on the original post, I think the answer is yes stereotypical characters can be useful at times.

Look at my favorite example, Deadpool, I mean a lot of his schtick involves pointing out and making fun of stereotypical villains. I mean the villain doesn't even have to say anything, he or she just has to look like a stereotypical villain to make fun of them.

Paladin_HGWT ๐Ÿšซ

@JoeBobMack

May a "Caricatured Antagonist" be useful?

In some circumstances. A "Flash Story" or other very short story has little opportunity for character building, nuance, and such. Tropes or caricatures may be useful to briefly, and easily, establish a character that most readers will recognize and accept. Also, if a writer is crafting a longer story, intending to be humorous (or ironic), or perhaps part of the plot is that a more subtle villain is using an obvious threat (a caricature) so that they may advance their nefarious agenda while the authorities/heroine is distracted. Caricatures might be useful, but less so than one, or a few tropes.

IMHO Tropes are more useful than a Caricature. Having one, or a couple "signature" aspects of a villain, a "lieutenant" a minion, or even a "hero" (protagonist) is useful. Knights should be noble and valiant; in particular the Hero. Antagonists are prone to being greedy/selfish, or at least so focused upon their goal that they disregard the consequences (particularly to others).

Caricatures are almost always an indication of a lazy or unimaginative author. Readers invest time, and usually at least some emotion in a story. Caricatures are nearly always unsatisfying.

An example: The version of The Joker played by Jered Leto in the movie Suicide Squad was an unsatisfying caricature of a villain, and yet deviating from the legendary character. Some versions of The Joker in the comics verged on being a caricature; averted by being possibly a Trope source.

Counter Example: The Joker played by Heath Ledger in the Dark Knight embraced numerous tropes of the character, as well as tropes of a homicidal maniac. His version was a mesmerizing (in a "can't turn away from a car wreck" sense) twist of the character. Ledger portrayed deeper, if disturbing twists, such as Sado/masochism, and apparent cavalier disregard for the lives of others and even himself. Yet, under that madness was a cunning and boldness that allowed The Joker to advance most of his schemes. Seeming chaos was part of his deep plan to achieve his goals. Madness, but not stupid.

awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@JoeBobMack

In my opinion, most of Lazlo Zalezac's characters are caricatures. In fact, the stories I like most of his are the ones where the characterisation is more nuanced.

The scores and plaudits show that most readers judge he uses the technique extremely successfully. And I have to agree it's appropriate to his writing style.

AJ

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