If the safety is on, can you slide the rack back halfway to see if there's a round in the chamber?
If yes, what pistol has a safety?
If the safety is on, can you slide the rack back halfway to see if there's a round in the chamber?
If yes, what pistol has a safety?
The safety switch on my 9mm disables the trigger (i.e. a trigger pull has no effect). You can still rack the slide and chamber or eject a round, or check to see if a round is chambered with a half pull.
The safety switch on my 9mm disables the trigger (i.e. a trigger pull has no effect). You can still rack the slide and chamber or eject a round, or check to see if a round is chambered with a half pull.
What make and model?
The old UK forces 9mm Browning had a safety, as does the replacement Glock 17. It be pretty stupid NOT to have a safety on modern weapons to be fair. As to whether it could be cocked with the safety on, I honestly can't remember.For those that do remember, doesn't the safety come on automatically when you cock it?
Glock 17
The ONLY safety on the Glock is the little lever in the middle of the trigger. Period. If you do not put your finger on the trigger, the weapon will not fire. If you put your finger on the trigger, the weapon is ready to fire if it has a round in the chamber (meaning the slide has been racked back and released.)
Looks like it can be modified to have a safety fitted. http://www.premierarms.com/z_products.htm
Out of the box, a Glock does not have a safety like that. You should have qualified your statement as an after market modification.
Which part of "Looks like it can be modified" did you fail to comprehend? 'Modified' is generally taken to mean 'after market', a fact which should have been perfectly obvious by the attached link
Your reply to SFC was worded as if it was normal to have a lever safety.
The original statement of yours.
The old UK forces 9mm Browning had a safety, as does the replacement Glock 17.
That original statement is incorrect to begin with. The L131A1 General Service Pistol for the UK does not have an aftermarket safety.
" The L131A1 General Service Pistol for the UK does not have an aftermarket safety."
I didn't say it did. Please stop trying to imply I said things I did not, it's not polite.
I directly quoted you, there was no implied statement.
ETA: If there was an implication, it was your comparison from the quoted statement.
The old UK forces 9mm Browning had a safety, as does the replacement Glock 17.
I did not imply anything, your reading comprehension is lacking. My earlier comment stands, please do not try to infer that I said things I did not. All I said was that it "Looks like it can be modified to have a safety fitted" and provided a link to that effect. At no point did I say the UK version has an after-market safety, that's all in your head.
The old UK forces 9mm Browning had a safety, as does the replacement Glock 17.
That is what you said. At a minimum, it's a false equivalency. The Glock never had, nor does have, a safety even remotely resembling a safety like the FN Hipower (Browning). My reading comprehension is just fine, your understanding of firearms is lacking.
If the safety is on, can you slide the rack back halfway to see if there's a round in the chamber?
The safety is about the trigger and the hammer, not the slide, so I would think yes.
If yes, what pistol has a safety?
What time period are you asking about?
Today, very few would not have some kind of safety. The ones that don't are mostly law enforcement centric designs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_(firearms)#Pistols
There are also different type of safeties, not all of them manually operated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_(firearms)#Typical_safeties
I'm confused. According to that wikipedia article:
"Most Single-action revolvers have no external safeties."
"Most double-action revolvers have no external safety devices"
The above is saying most semi-automatic pistols don't have the safety lever you flip to turn it on or off. The article is talking about an accidental discharge.
I'm talking about someone pulling the trigger and the gun not firing because the external safety lever is on. Not an accidental discharge. The person is trying to shoot the gun but when he pulls the trigger nothing happens because the safety is on. But before he tries to shoot, he wants to make sure there's a round in the chamber.
The above is saying most semi-automatic pistols don't have the safety lever you flip to turn it on or off. The article is talking about an accidental discharge.
You didn't read the first paragraph close enough or apparently you didn't read the other link to a different part of the same article.
Almost all modern semi-automatic handguns, except some exact replicas of antique models, have some form of safety mechanism including a "drop safety" that requires a trigger pull to discharge a cartridge. Single-action designs such as the Colt 1911 virtually always incorporate a manual safety, while traditional double-action pistols incorporate a decocker, manual safety, or both. However, the exact configuration depends on handgun type, year, make, and model. Double-action only (DAO) pistols, which usually use designs similar to traditional double-action but without the ability to remain cocked, do not usually have external safeties.
You also need to read the other link about the different types of safeties. Particularly the sections on grip safeties and decockers.
"Most Single-action revolvers have no external safeties."
"Most double-action revolvers have no external safety devices"
The above is saying most semi-automatic pistols don't have the safety lever you flip to turn it on or off. The article is talking about an accidental discharge.
Are you talking about a revolver - which is the standard, 6 bullets in the round cylinder, or are you talking about a magazine fed semi-automatic pistol? Two different animals that try to have the same result. Since you mentioned pulling the slide, I presume you're talking about a pistol, and not a revolver.
The article is talking about an accidental discharge.
I'm talking about someone pulling the trigger and the gun not firing because the external safety lever is on.
All safeties (even the manual lever) are about preventing accidental discharges, not preventing intentional discharges.
A manual safety will only prevent an intentional discharge if you forget that it's on.
A manual safety will only prevent an intentional discharge if you forget that it's on.
That's what happens.
If the safety is on, can you slide the rack back halfway to see if there's a round in the chamber?
If yes, what pistol has a safety?
A: If there is a slide safety, then no. That's the whole point about a slide safety.
B: All of them have safeties, it's simply a case of WHAT safety. A Glock, you can pull the slide back and check, because the safety is the little lever in the middle of the trigger.
All of them have safeties
I mean a manual safety. The lever on the side of the semi-auto pistol. The one that disables the trigger.
With the common military M9 (or Beretta 92), you can rack the slide and load a round regardless of the position of the safety.
If in un-safe position, the hammer will be left in a cocked position, ready to fire. If in safe position, the hammer will be de-cocked (ouch!) and pulling the trigger will do nothing.
Racking "halfway" isn't necessary, since there is loaded chamber indicator that's both visible and "feel-able".
I don't know if all semi-automatics have these indicators.
Here's how the police check:
https://www.policemag.com/339383/checking-the-chamber
And:
https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/handgun-press-check/
And:
https://concealednation.org/2017/03/press-check-know-your-firearms-status/
If the safety is on, can you slide the rack back halfway to see if there's a round in the chamber?
Depends on the firearm. As for checking for a round in the chamber, most modern firearms have a way to check that without such actions. Especially those arms with externally visible extractors for semiautomatic weapons.
Most modern semi-auto pistols have a loaded chamber indicator. This ranges from a small hole, through which you can see the brass of the cartridge, to a largish flag or lever that protrudes. To be sold in California, a large market, a LCI is required, and other states mimic CA regulations, so these are pretty common. CA requires something with a contrasting color. An example LCI can be seen here.
To be sold in California
The only thing that needs to be sold in California is a large quantity of 'common-sense' and 'intelligence' pills, as those are two items California is seriously missing.
An LCI is dangerous in my opinion. Firearms safety 101 is:
1. Always assume a firearm is loaded.
2. Never put your finger on the trigger until your going to shoot.
3. Never point the firearm at anything you wouldn't want to kill or destroy.
Anything else is redundant. Trusting mechanical indicators is dangerous.