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I masturbated to "You Got Mail" So what constitutes a stroke story?

Eddie Davidson ๐Ÿšซ
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Recently, I was diagnosed with a serious medical issue. I mean like serious-serious.

I got the call and the lady was flippant as hell. Basically, completely lacking of empathy as she tells me the news.

This site was my therapy. I wanted to go catatonic and just freak out. Instead, I sat down and started writing this incredible story with a friend of mine. I could live things through the eyes of my characters and take my mind off the bullshit.

In that way, SOL is a lifesaver and I am quite thankful for it and the community. So while my question is a little tongue in cheek I am genuinely curious.

So Let me first clarify: At my age, A stroke story could mean that I am slurring my words, holding my chest and saying "Hnnnggggggg!!!!"

But for sake of discussion, let's say it means like Clarence Carter once said - when you are reading it you be stroking. You stroke it to the left. You stroke it to the right. You stroke it to the woman you are bringing home tonight!

As an Author -what is your personal definition of a Stroke Story?

I could probably stroke it to the Seinfeld where Elaine dances - so it's really difficult for me to be objective. Elaine is hot and even though she dances like a bird in the microwave -I'd hit it like the hammer of God on the cursed blasphemers.

Is there a negative connotation to Stroke stories? like they are going to be implausible like the plot of most pornos?

"Hello Step Dad"

"Hello, my 18 year old step daughter who just turned 18. We are not biologically related but we live in the same house. Therefore it would not be illegal for us to have a sexual relationship."

"Mother said you had the biggest cock"

"Well, I think it is not the biggest"

"Now I must see for myself! oh my, let me fuck it"

"

I feel like there are gradations of stroke story when writing a story for a reason and yet at the same time:

You are either stroking it or you are not stroking it.

Some sex, lots of sex - stroke story...so does that include sexual situations? I am writing a story where two young teenagers are discovering power exchange and loving that journey. They go to the Grocery store and she flashes some titty while he loads her up with frozen peas and the two young teenagers sort of laugh and explore this new found relationship of submissive and master. (one of dozens of little scenarios - but there is also sex)

The action isn't sex and yet the coming of age discovery reminds me of stuff I used to do and turns me on - so is it a stroke story?

Granted, this site also has a lot of serious Sci-Fi with minimal sex. I never read any of it but I don't begrudge those who are here for that. I totally get why you wouldn't have much input into this other than to say the same about smutty perverted stories that people like me enjoy.

Do you think I should downgrade from Stroke Story if there isn't penetration on every chapter?

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

So Let me first clarify: At my age, A stroke story could mean that I am slurring my words, holding my chest and saying "Hnnnggggggg!!!!"

1. Why are you channeling the grinning dick?

2. A stroke is in the brain. "holding my chest and saying "Hnnnggggggg!!!!" is probably a heart attack. They aren't the same thing.

Replies:   Eddie Davidson
Eddie Davidson ๐Ÿšซ
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@Dominions Son

1. Why are you channeling the grinning dick?

I was a swinging dick when the word meant Marine - back in the ancient days when a BBS and Fido Net was basically the only ways to read porn. You had to just watch it on VHS - how barbaric is that?

Lol. I'd imagine he and I have the same sense of humor. I don't really know.

2. A stroke is in the brain. "holding my chest and saying "Hnnnggggggg!!!!" is probably a heart attack. They aren't the same thing.

The next time I have a stroke, I want you there to remind me to grab my brain then.

Replies:   Mushroom
Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

I was a swinging dick when the word meant Marine - back in the ancient days when a BBS and Fido Net was basically the only ways to read porn.

But that was also when the term used was often "Big Green Weenie".

bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

The best analogy is adult films. So here goes:

no sex: if it's R rated, it's due to language and violence
some sex: R rated, maybe up to 'soft porn'
much sex: Deep Throat, etc (porn with a plot)
stroke: gonzo porn

Replies:   Keet  Switch Blayde
Keet ๐Ÿšซ
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@bk69

no sex: if it's R rated, it's due to language and violence
some sex: R rated, maybe up to 'soft porn'
much sex: Deep Throat, etc (porn with a plot)
stroke: gonzo porn

*wishing every author followed those definitions...*

ETA: You missed 'minimal sex' which should be something like R rated but with off-scene mentioning of sex.

Replies:   awnlee jawking  bk69
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

gonzo porn

Personally I find the idea of muppets having sex to be a turn off. Even Kermit and Miss Piggy.

AJ

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee jawking

Personally I find the idea of muppets having sex to be a turn off. Even Kermit and Miss Piggy.

Especially Miss Piggy,

Replies:   StarFleet Carl
StarFleet Carl ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Especially Miss Piggy,

What about Rosie O'Donnell?

Replies:   Dominions Son  Mushroom
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

What about Rosie O'Donnell?

Rosie O'Donnell isn't a muppet, but if she was, she would be Miss Piggy's uglier sister.

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

@StarFleet Carl

What about Rosie O'Donnell?

Actually, early on she was kinda cute. Back when she did Stakeout or A League Of Their Own. Long before she turned into the ugly troll she is now.

Replies:   bk69  Dominions Son
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Mushroom

A League Of Their Own.

Rosie O'Fat was quite possibly the worst thing about that movie. Geena Davis and Lori Petty only barely made up for her and Madonna.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@Mushroom

Back when she did Stakeout or A League Of Their Own.

Actually, Rosie didn't do Stakeout.

Stakeout was Richard Dreyfuss, Emilio Estevez, Madeleine Stowe and Aidan Quinn.

Rosie was in the sequel Another Stakeout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_Stakeout

Another Stakeout is a 1993 American buddy cop action comedy film directed by John Badham and starring Richard Dreyfuss, Emilio Estevez, and Rosie O'Donnell. It is a sequel to the 1987 film, Stakeout. Unlike its predecessor, the film was neither a critical nor a commercial success.

Long before she turned into the ugly troll she is now.

It isn't the fact that she let her self go to pot and turned in to a lard ass that makes her an ugly troll.

It's her personality.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

It's her personality.

Rosie O'Fat has a personality?

I thought he/she/it was a walking (or waddling) charicature. Obviously not of a type anyone would want to be near.

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@bk69

Rosie O'Fat has a personality?

Yes, but not one any sane person would want to interact with. She was a nasty person back when she looked better. Now the outside matches the inside.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Dominions Son

Now the outside matches the inside.

Not really. The outside is far too three-dimensional. The inside is way too one-dimensional.

bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Keet

Thanks.

And yeah, it'd be nice to have consistency. The problem is, we can't even get consistency in applying defined codes, let alone subjective interpretations of sexual content. (As a side note, years ago I introduced someone to SOL, and after reading several stories she commented that the romance novels she read were actually more explicit.)

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

no sex: if it's R rated, it's due to language and violence

No sex could be G-rated. No violence. No language.

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

True. But the only reason it would qualify for R would be language or violence, as it would be completely lacking in nudity/adult situations/sexual content. Of course it could qualify for PG13, PG, or G.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

As an Author -what is your personal definition of a Stroke Story?

A story with little plot and lots of sex, that the author intends that readers masturbate to.

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ
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@Eddie Davidson

Do you think I should downgrade from Stroke Story if there isn't penetration on every chapter?

If you genuinely have a multi-chapter story, you should have already have downgraded from stroke, regardless of sex in every chapter.

A stroke story should be just long enough for the reader to get off, anything past that is either overkill or not a stroke story.

LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ
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"Stroke story" is a value of variable called "sex content" and it is sorted as exceeding "much sex," therefore...

Not an author (maybe yet), but here goes my personal interpretation:

No sex = no sexual situations at all or if encountered there's a strict *fade to black* on approaching of any in a "child safe" manner; sex or romance is not likely a significant plot device.

Minimal sex = sex or romance may be a plot device but are unlikely the sole focus; probably may include frank discussion of sexual themes, but not necessarily action; sexual situations may exist, but either doesn't proceed beyond light petting or titillating nudity or aren't described in great detail beyond that; word count dedicated to anything sexual is relatively insignificant.

Some sex = sex or romance may be significant plot focus but unlikely the sole one; there's at least one unapologetically sexual situation, but even if described in great detail descriptions of sex acts take relatively small share of total word count.

Much sex = story likely revolves around sexual experiences of main characters but there's still plot and other events; sexual situations are described in great detail and there's probably several; descriptions of sex take significant share of total word count.

Stroke story = titillation is the primary objective; the focus of the story is the sex act or series of sex acts; story likely goes in sex act within less than thousand words and ends with ejaculation (or falling asleep at best); if any other events are at all described they exist just to string together sex acts that are described in pornographic detail and such descriptions are by far dominant part of total world count.

*Just a reminder, sex act not necessarily implies penetration.

Eddie Davidson ๐Ÿšซ
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@LupusDei

I read stroke stories entirely wrong then.

Let's say I finish before the story. Next time I go back to where I left off and continue.

I am that guy who opens 200 tabs on porn hub to find a video with a little plot/premise before I can knock one out - but then it only takes 2 minutes.

So if I stopped as soon as I blew my load I'd never know how the story ends.

There was a video that was essentially the plot I just told you in my early post - it was that hackey.

The step-sister is chasing around the step-brother and trying to get his dick.

Her mom tells her she is weird and to stop but then realizes the boy is going to be incredibly wealthy (for reasons not realy specified) so she wants to teach him to resist floozies.

So she has the sister tease him at breakfast, and when she gets up and then returns, catches the daugther sucking his dick.

"Well, you couldn't even resist for 5 minutes? I guess we have no choice. We'll both have to fuck you until you have so much sex you are able to resist sluts"

It's super not even plausible and yet honestly, it was the best I could find after 3 hours so it had to do.

That's why I prefer written stories.

That being said - this could account for why I have lower readership after the first few chapters. They blow their load and don't return.

Now I feel like all those girls felt that I used to know in high school that I never called again.

I'll down grade to "Much sex"

Dominions Son ๐Ÿšซ

@LupusDei

but here goes my personal interpretation:

I like these.

Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@LupusDei

Some sex = sex or romance may be significant plot focus but unlikely the sole one; there's at least one unapologetically sexual situation, but even if described in great detail descriptions of sex acts take relatively small share of total word count.

Much sex = story likely revolves around sexual experiences of main characters but there's still plot and other events; sexual situations are described in great detail and there's probably several; descriptions of sex take significant share of total word count.

I don't agree. A some sex story can have plenty of sex and the plot might even revolve around the sex, BUT it's "some" rather than "much" because there's a lot of plot.

Replies:   LupusDei
LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

A some sex story can have plenty of sex and the plot might even revolve around the sex, BUT it's "some" rather than "much" because there's a lot of plot.

I didn't disagree.

It's very arbitrary, but how I intended those last parts of definitions in word count, say, if less than 10% or maybe even as much as 15% of the total text is erotic then it's probably still "some sex" while "much sex" may have as little as 10% or 15% of pornographic descriptions but be heavily invested on that, or something sexual going on as much as half of time; anything with sex above 50% of total text I would likely qualify as "stroke story" even if very clever.

Replies:   Switch Blayde  bk69
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@LupusDei

anything with sex above 50% of total text I would likely qualify as "stroke story" even if very clever.

I still use the old description for "stroke" โ€” no plot. I don't know why that was changed.

I write cinematically. Call it descriptive, show don't tell, or whatever. So although the number of sex scenes might be a low percentage of the total number of scenes, the number of words to describe them might be a high percentage as to the number of words in the story. Especially if the plot revolves around sex (I include character development as part of plot).

In my novel "High School Massacre," I use sex (and violence) to show the power and evilness of the drug lord. I use sex to show the despicabiity of the border guard and sheriff and to justify what happens to them at the end. I use sex to show the despair the heroine is going through and how much she is willing to sacrifice for her children. And even the relationship between her and her husband. So, yeah, there are a lot of words dedicated to sex, but I would label it as some sex because there is much plot.

Can you have much plot AND much sex? The problem is, labeling a story as "much sex" might send the wrong message. Defining it as erotica should suffice.

Replies:   LupusDei
LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

There could easily be no sex story with no plot either, and then we could go at lengths on "define plot."

And may not agree in general case, but think I get what you think excluding sex that isn't sex; as it's said, everything is about sex except sex.

Actually, I don't usually find extended descriptions of sex acts titillating even when those are probably intended that way. It's how they got there (and sometimes, who's watching) that gets me going. Reading stories here I often skip descriptions of sex altogether, or at best skim for possible scattered information of value. If that becomes tiresome I may even leave the story. Really good written stuff wouldn't allow me to do that at all because it's all required and integral and interesting, but story that have much sex and much plot, sex in plot or plot in sex, still has much sex.

Sure, we will never define sex content levels to conform to all and any possibility, it bound to be subjective. My subjective take, it's just what I would most likely expect, or how I might qualify some text or another I might write myself. It holds no bearing on anyone else, and very likely I myself will eventually break whatever rules I had myself defined; it's how it always goes with anything.

Frankly, I don't particularly care, between "some" and "much" particularly. Stroke stories and no sex stories mostly would need more interesting descriptions that more narrowly hit my interest to get me in.

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@LupusDei

There could easily be no sex story with no plot either

That sounds like a legitimate 1-vote. "You call this a story?"

Replies:   awnlee_jawking
awnlee_jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@Switch Blayde

There could easily be no sex story with no plot either

That sounds like a legitimate 1-vote. "You call this a story?"

Or Booker prize winning literary fiction ;-)

AJ

Replies:   bk69
bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@awnlee_jawking

not mutually exclusive...

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking ๐Ÿšซ

@bk69

I understand Hillary Mantel was miffed she didn't even make the shortlist this year. I'd pay NOT to read her Thomas Cromwell saga.

AJ

bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@LupusDei

Scene count.
all scenes are sexual = stroke
35-90% of scenes sexual = much sex
10-35% of scenes sexual = some sex
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Replies:   Eddie Davidson
Eddie Davidson ๐Ÿšซ
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@bk69

Scene count.

all scenes are sexual = stroke

35-90% of scenes sexual = much sex

10-35% of scenes sexual = some sex

This is why I don't fit these molds well.

First, I don't write "Scenes" as much as I do a flowing narrative. It's just one long flow without a feeling that he scene ended like in a television show that fades to black. At least I hope not because that would be stilted as hell.

Second, lots of sexually interesting things happen in my stories but it may not be a dick in a pussy kind of sex. It may be a naughty dare game, or flashing, or a hot Morgan Fairchild-esque cougar teasing the main character while she gives him a ride home from high school.

So to me, its 100% sexual but not sex.

Ultimately, I think I've learned that Stroke = lack of plot to many and so that's not what I want.

In stroke, it doesn't matter why.

It does to me though. I can't stroke with no context.

These "Friday Flash Stories" are the bane of my fucking existence.

I don't begrudge anyone who likes them. I wish there was a filterable category for them though.

Basically, it's three paragraphs written in the most unreadale dialect of cartoon hillbilly. The premise always grabs me.

"Oh cool, a bunch of rednecks trying to fuck their sister and mom to see which one feels best..."

Then I click on it and I am like "Holy shit, I have the opposite of a boner right now.."

It's neither a story nor even remotely enjoyable to try to decipher the language. There is no start - no reason to care who is who or why they are doing this. It's a vignette at best.

Me n maw-maw wuz flyrtin like we do. I pulz out my peka and I shot my cum up at a squiral, and it hit a moonpye we had hangin on da rooftop and rychoshayed off my sista's eyball, and then up come a bumblin crude, and so we moved to Bavarly, Hills that is..movie staz..swamman poolz." and I am like "Oh fuck, this is never gonna be worth the effort. I can't get through this.

If that's stroke, I want no part of it. I still want to stroke though.

I hope that doesn't paint me as a snob. I would just love it if I felt a little connection to any of these people. If I can't place myself in the setting or feel anything about the people - I can't imagine being turned or moved in anyway by what happens.

Porn for the emotionally dead inside.

LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ

At deliberation on "some" versus "much" another arbitrary parameter to introduce could be partner count. I would allow a lot more sex between single couple and still think "some sex" but introduce multiple couples or partners for one or each and it becomes "much sex" quite quickly.

Eddie Davidson ๐Ÿšซ

I can't stroke it to no plot.

So that's probably why this is confusing to me.

"So these two people don't even know each other? Why are they fucking?"

Replies:   Switch Blayde  LupusDei  bk69
Switch Blayde ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

"So these two people don't even know each other? Why are they fucking?"

In stroke, it doesn't matter why.

LupusDei ๐Ÿšซ
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@Eddie Davidson

I generally don't find "stroke stories" titillating either (except when I do, but that's relatively rare, and I'm not searching) and I tend to skip prolonged descriptions of sex acts in longer stories.

But we are discussing definitions here, and "stroke story" goes beyond "much sex" on the scale of sex content, however that's defined.

bk69 ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

"So these two people don't even know each other? Why are they fucking?"

Because she didn't have any money, and he's a pizza delivery guy. D'uh.

Uther Pendragon ๐Ÿšซ

@Eddie Davidson

My definition is that a stroke story is one where the purpose of any plot ad character development is to get your characters into bed -- or wherever they have sex.

Coincidentally, I've just started publishing a "story" which consists of sex scenes extracted from all my other stories -- no character development, no plot, just sex scenes. I labeled that, "stroke."

Replies:   Ernest Bywater
Ernest Bywater ๐Ÿšซ

@Uther Pendragon

My definition is that a stroke story is one where the purpose of any plot ad character development is to get your characters into bed -- or wherever they have sex.


WHAT!!
You mean a stroke story isn't a story about that little guy working the small oar in a competition rowing scull?

Mushroom ๐Ÿšซ

A lot of this can also vary, depending on what the author intends as they write.

I literally wrote one that has sex in almost every single sentence. But it is also an obvious parody, and I think anybody would have a hard time stroking to that. There is really not even much of a plot, it is more like a drawn out joke leading to the punch line at the end.

Then I have another where in almost 70 chapters, the main characters had lots and lots of sex. But no actual intercourse until almost half way through. I might have them getting it on 2 or 3 times in 1 chapter, then nothing for the next 3 chapters. But it was also more story driven, even though sex was a big part of the story.

Mostly, I think it deals with the author's intent.

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