Forum: Author Hangout

I assumed that OP was just disagreeing as to how much sexual content each of those categories included as compared to the writers. Which given how arbitrary some people's decisions about such things are, seemed safe.

I assumed that OP was just disagreeing as to how much sexual content each of those categories included as compared to the writers.

I don't think that's a fair assumption in this case as the OP was demanding that the description note that it's a sex story.

Might be. I always thought the 'description' included the synopsis, the codes, the story classification, and the genre, all combined. But it's possible the OP was using some different definition.

I always thought the 'description' included the synopsis, the codes, the story classification, and the genre, all combined.

It kind of looks that way on the story lists, but the posting wizard calls just the synopsis text a description.

And then you go back to what the OP said:

It was disheartening since most of the time the story description did not give any indication this was a sex story.

But the posting wizard won't let you not specify a sex level, so the above would be impossible if you include "the codes, the story classification, and the genre" as part of the "description"

But the posting wizard won't let you not specify a sex level, so the above would be impossible if you include "the codes, the story classification, and the genre" as part of the "description"

True. But it does make it possible that the OP has a different definition of a 'sex story' than some others. Like, 'some sex' would indicate to most that there will be at least one or two graphic scenes, but maybe OP thought it would all be alluded to but occur off-screen?

But it does make it possible that the OP has a different definition of a 'sex story' than some others.

We as authors are not obligated t cater to his definition of a 'sex story'.

but maybe OP thought it would all be alluded to but occur off-screen?

If that is truly what he thought, then I can't say what I think of him in polite company.

I didn't claim OP wasn't a complete fuckin' idiot. Just that there was a simple possible explanation of what he meant.

I didn't claim OP wasn't a complete fuckin' idiot.

Not exactly the most encouraging way to refer to new contributors... Perhaps you might consider being more welcoming? After all, it is possible to be a complete idiot in areas unconnected with copulation.

:)

a complete idiot

Many are not complete idiots. They may be Circumcised or had their tonsils removed.

Not for any of the stories published here, but I've used GPT-2 to generate a few sex scenes. They needed quite a bit of editing (names, some of the logic) but it sort of worked. GPT-3 is meant to be much better.

Sometimes I wish I had an auto-sex fluffer generator that added all the spicy details to the lovemaking. I plug in the number of males/females and what they are doing and then it generates it for me mad-lib style. I replace all the pronouns with character names as appropriate and slide it into the dirty story I am telling.

One of the reasons I skip most of the sex scenes in stories is that it seems like they all come from the same generator :)
Very, very few know how to create really original and compelling sex scenes that add anything significant to the story. For stroke stories I can understand that, they have a different audience than what I read. The 'rest' would often be better of with shorter and less descriptive sex scenes.

NetWolf(in all his fifteen or so personae)

Don't mean to take the discussion off track (which is where they always go) but I like Net Wolf. How many of his pen names can you come up with so I can be sure I don't miss any of his stories.

Nowadays I prefer the "some sex" and "minimal sex" stories and it ticks me off when I start reading a story that says "some sex" and there is sex in almost every chapter posted.

Same with me, I simply skip most of the sex. Every author interprets the amount of sex differently and we as readers do the same. Like you I don't consider sex in every chapter "some sex" but more like "much sex", which I avoid unless I expect a good story.

8/24/2020, 7:17:01 AM
What is considered "some sex" and "much sex"? To me sex in every chapter or almost every chapter is "much sex" and not "some sex".

That is a question which has bothered me, although I don't agree with your answer.
Back in the days I was writing a lot of short stuff -- under 10k -- most of those stories were a single scene or connected string of scenes. Either they had no sex scene -- and were "no sex" -- or they culminated in the sex scene -- and were "much sex."
I label most of my work these days, "some sex." which may fit into the site definitions, but fails to distinguish among a great variety in my own stories.
The General's Store has one sex scene before the last chapter. That includes a wedding-night scene and some subsequent sex. OTOH, the earlier sex scene is much shorter than the later ones. Does the amount of sex in the scene make a difference? Do the number of sex scenes in the chapter make a difference?
OTOH, a few of my short pieces are all about sex without the sex happening on stage. Pharmacy, my only story with fewer than 100 words, is about purchasing a condom. Prone is not Synonymous With Supine, or Let me Put That to You Another Way, o the site with a truncated title, end before the intercourse begins; Afterwards begins just after the intercourse ends.

...Six of one, half dozen of the other.

All I say is: "What can you find on SOL that you can't find better in a bookstore or your local library?"

For example a Lazlo Zalezac and many other excellent authors. I would have to buy 20+ books before I found one that will give me the same enjoyment some of the books here on SOL give me. Or spend hours in a library to find something comparable. SOL/FS/SFS are the places that work best for me.

'Star Wars

If a dark pimples grow on a star that would be star warts.

Writers aren't writing for you. They are writing for people interested in the same things they are.

Or for the money which generally has a large impact on a story to keep it 'general purpose' and 'socially acceptable'. That usually results in a less interesting story, one of the reasons I like SOL so much. Most writers here are okay with earning a little on the side but they mainly write what they want, not what is expected.

It turned out one of my most favorite stories is by one of my favorite writers but I would pass it by for years because of the level of sex and it involved the porn industry so I thought is would be all sex all the time. It wasn't and I am so glad I read it.

I bet that was Jay Cantrell's story Daze in the Valley. In the past I tended to do the same but I have learned that authors judge what is 'some sex' and 'much sex' very differently. I didn't skip that story because, well, it's Jay Cantrell, always a good read. I was not disappointed.

Jay Cantrell, always a good read.

If it wasn't for the fact that universal statements are always wrong, I'd be tempted to agree.

But yeah, almost all of what Jay's got out there is pretty good.

universal statements are always wrong

Which is itself a universal statement. :)

Which was intentional.

The #1 story in the Top 50 Classic Long Stories ("Greenies" by Al Steiner) has "Much Sex" (score = 9.56).

It's a story from 2005. I extract at least a point for stories from more than 10-12 years ago to compare to todays score. Back then was also a time where stories virtually had to have much sex to get a decent score. Nothing wrong with that, just that the scoring was different and not comparable to todays scoring. It would have scored high today too but I don't think it would reach over 9 (which is very hard to get nowadays anyway).

Whatever the reason, if you do a Category Search and don't check "Much Sex" in the "Sex Contents" section it won't show in the results.

If you don't check 'much sex' the 'any' category will remain checked and it will show everything, including 'much sex'. My response was about the Top 50 Classic Long Stories list you mentioned. It's very hard for 'new' classics to enter because stories back then were scored so high.

That's why the scoring system has the algorithm to to adjust scores from the different scoring systems to a chosen mean. It makes the older scores relevant to the current scores.

I know, but that can only correct scores to be comparable to a certain extend. Not enough if you ask me but there's a limit to what you can achieve with making different scoring systems comparable.

Also compared to most sites of the era (ASSTR, Nifty), this site quickly found a higher number of good writers, and many readers were coming from those other places. So the stories here quickly jumped out as being higher scored.

And today, you have it often offset by "score bombers", who do not like some aspect, so rank a story low because of that. I have had more than one person say they gave me a 2 or 3 because it did not cover some kink they were interested in (never mind that such a thing never appeared in the codes either).

Can't argue with that. The score bombers might very well be the reason that keeps the current stories to a lower score compared to the older classics. I definitely agree that SOL quickly found a higher quality of writers, it still does. Some I consider to be a lot better than some of the 'famous' published writers.

Why do they make both red wagons and green wagons

From the manufacturer's site:

"THE STORY BEHIND RADIO FLYER RED
December 03, 2012
posted by Robert Pasin
Everyone always asks me, "Why are Radio Flyer wagons red?"

I always struggle to answer this question because nobody really knows the answer.

Sometimes I say, "It is because my grandfather was an Italian immigrant and all Italians love the color red — think Ferraris, spaghetti sauce, and wine."

Other times I say, "It's because kids love the color red because it is synonymous with excitement and speed — think fire engines, sirens, and race cars."

Still other times I say, "It is because red connects with people deeply because is communicates passion, life and love — think hearts, roses, and cupid."

While I think there is truth in all of these answers, many people don't know that for the first few decades of our company's existence, we made wagons that were blue, green, yellow, and other colors. The fact is red wagons always sold the best -- perhaps for the reasons listed above -- and over time the Little Red Wagon became the iconic representation of American Childhood that it is today.

That's why Radio Flyer wagons are red."